Cheaper Insurance on your BMW

[BMW Europe]

We are now able to offer insurance on ALL BMW.

UK - Europe - US

Please either email or leave a reply here. We will
contact you within 24 Hours

Thanks

[Fred W.]

"BMW Europe" <cut spammer's email addy> wrote in message
...
> We are now able to offer insurance on ALL BMW.
>
> UK - Europe - US
>
> Please either email <cut spammer's email addy> or leave a reply here. We
will
> contact you within 24 Hours



Yeah, because that's the kind of insurance agent we should all be looking
for...

The newsgroup spamming kind.

[BMW Europe]

try our website fred. www.bmweurope.co.uk newsgroups are for information.
and your issue was?
"Fred W." <Fred.Wills@'remove this to reply to' myrealbox.com> wrote in
message ...
>
> "BMW Europe" <cut spammer's email addy> wrote in message
> ...
>> We are now able to offer insurance on ALL BMW.
>>
>> UK - Europe - US
>>
>> Please either email <cut spammer's email addy> or leave a reply here. We
> will
>> contact you within 24 Hours
>
>
>
> Yeah, because that's the kind of insurance agent we should all be looking
> for...
>
> The newsgroup spamming kind.
>
>

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article >,
BMW Europe > wrote:
> try our website fred. www.bmweurope.co.uk newsgroups are for
> information. and your issue was?

Doesn't work on my browser. Too many gimmicks probably. Not a good sign.

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[BMW Europe]

gimmicks? hmm try using IE6


"Dave Plowman (News)" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> BMW Europe > wrote:
>> try our website fred. www.bmweurope.co.uk newsgroups are for
>> information. and your issue was?
>
> Doesn't work on my browser. Too many gimmicks probably. Not a good sign.
>
> --
> *If a parsley farmer is sued, can they garnish his wages?
>
> Dave Plowman London SW
> To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[Ignasi Palou-Rivera]

"BMW Europe" > writes:

> gimmicks? hmm try using IE6

Oh, the humanity!

--
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'90 325is
(using SPAM trap e-mail address)

[BMW Europe]

bloat ware? what is this? we were not aware people could not see the website
"Ignasi Palou-Rivera" > wrote in message
...
> "BMW Europe" > writes:
>
>> gimmicks? hmm try using IE6
>
> Oh, the humanity!
>
> --
> Ignasi.
> '90 325is
> (using SPAM trap e-mail address)

[Robin S.]

"Dan Drake" > wrote in message
...
>
> I am not going to argue the technical merits of IE vs. other browsers,
> but given that IE has ~95% of the browser market, why *wouldn't* I
> optimize my web site for IE?

Bulldog. Don't "optimize" for anything. It's certainly not necessary and
then you don't have angry potential customers...

>
> So, if I don't then I *may* miss 1 out of every 20 visitors.

5% on the internet is a lot of people and word travels *fast*.

> I'll do
> what I reasonably can to accommodate that one person, but it's the
> 80/20 rule, the law of diminishing returns, etc. Until someone
> *seriously* challenges MS's stranglehold on the browser, that is.

Rubbish. You don't have to do anything special to accomodate everyone. You
have to muck around to prevent some from seeing your site.

BMW Europe guy:
-Learn how to use Usenet (newsgroups like alt.autos.bmw) responsibly -
Google will archive your posts for the foreseeable future (decades) and they
will be available to anyone with an internet connection. They way you're
using it now is considered abuse by many, and that's bad publicity.
-Use HTML so that everyone can see your site, or at least find a web
designer who knows how.
-DO NOT tell people which software they should or should not be using.
-Music on your website? Many people listen to music while surfing the
internet and we don't want whatever little jingle you've come up with to
interfere with our music.

Regards,

Robin

[adder]

"BMW Europe" > wrote in message >...
> try our website fred. www.bmweurope.co.uk newsgroups are for information.
> and your issue was?


Still haven't used a spell checker yet then?
"UK based company"? What name are you registered under?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article >,
Robin S. > wrote:
> BMW Europe guy: -Learn how to use Usenet (newsgroups like alt.autos.bmw)
> responsibly - Google will archive your posts for the foreseeable future
> (decades) and they will be available to anyone with an internet
> connection. They way you're using it now is considered abuse by many,
> and that's bad publicity. -Use HTML so that everyone can see your site,
> or at least find a web designer who knows how. -DO NOT tell people which
> software they should or should not be using. -Music on your website?
> Many people listen to music while surfing the internet and we don't want
> whatever little jingle you've come up with to interfere with our music.

Yup.

I'd just add:-

BMW main dealers in the UK are so appalling (in my experience) that any
decent independant competition is to be welcomed. But constant spamming
with just advertising puts, IMHO, most off in a big way.

If you can help with an answer - or even useful comment - on the problem
then do so, and have the 'ad' as a sig. That way you'll gain respect. See
how Brett Anderson does it as a model.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article >,
Dan Drake > wrote:
> I am not going to argue the technical merits of IE vs. other browsers,
> but given that IE has ~95% of the browser market, why *wouldn't* I
> optimize my web site for IE?

Hmm. I'd say those figures are inflated by all those who buy a computer
simply because it's the thing to have. The percentage of those who use the
things in anger might well tell a different story.

I do have IE available if required, but won't use it to visit a new
unknown site. Only one I really need to visit that won't work with my
usual one. And this site doesn't come under that heading. So one perhaps
potential UK customer lost. And I know personally of five others that this
applies to also...

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Dave Plowman London SW
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[Dan Drake]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:55:17 GMT, dizzy > wrote:

>>I am not going to argue the technical merits of IE vs. other browsers,
>>but given that IE has ~95% of the browser market, why *wouldn't* I
>>optimize my web site for IE?
>
>Because it's scummy, sleazy, lazy, stupid thinking like this that
>perpetuates the Micro$oft monopoly, for which we all pay a price.

You're *obviously* not in business. Business decisions are best made
with the head, not the heart.
--
Dan Drake

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article >,
Dan Drake > wrote:
> >Because it's scummy, sleazy, lazy, stupid thinking like this that
> >perpetuates the Micro$oft monopoly, for which we all pay a price.

> You're *obviously* not in business. Business decisions are best made
> with the head, not the heart.

Tell me which business decision 'made with the head' locks out potential
customers for no good reason? Apart from the BG sort, of course...

People visit this sort of website for information - where and how to
purchase the goods on offer etc - not for entertainment.

Perhaps one of the largest most visited websites is Ebay. They seem to be
able to make a site that isn't IE 'optimised'. And with as much
'functionality' as is likely to be needed.

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[Dan Drake]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:36:51 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
> wrote:

>In article >,
> Dan Drake > wrote:
>> >Because it's scummy, sleazy, lazy, stupid thinking like this that
>> >perpetuates the Micro$oft monopoly, for which we all pay a price.
>
>> You're *obviously* not in business. Business decisions are best made
>> with the head, not the heart.
>
> Tell me which business decision 'made with the head' locks out potential
>customers for no good reason? Apart from the BG sort, of course...

I'm not defending MS, I'm simply saying that the cost of accommodating
1 in 20 should be related to the business benefit. If it costs me
twice as much to do it then, well, you do the math...
--
Dan Drake

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article >,
Dan Drake > wrote:
> > Tell me which business decision 'made with the head' locks out
> >potential customers for no good reason? Apart from the BG sort, of
> >course...

> I'm not defending MS, I'm simply saying that the cost of accommodating 1
> in 20 should be related to the business benefit. If it costs me twice
> as much to do it then, well, you do the math...

Who says it costs more? Probably quite the reverse - by leaving out all
the useless gimmicks.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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[Dan Drake]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:50:03 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
> wrote:

>In article >,
> Dan Drake > wrote:
>> > Tell me which business decision 'made with the head' locks out
>> >potential customers for no good reason? Apart from the BG sort, of
>> >course...
>
>> I'm not defending MS, I'm simply saying that the cost of accommodating 1
>> in 20 should be related to the business benefit. If it costs me twice
>> as much to do it then, well, you do the math...
>
>Who says it costs more? Probably quite the reverse - by leaving out all
>the useless gimmicks.

You could be correct, although that has not been my experience. Time
was that I had web testing done using Nutscrape, aol, Mosaic, etc., as
well as the current and older versions of IE. Now, my testing is done
using current IE only.

Why don't you just surrender to the BillyWare steamroller? Resistance
is futile.
--
Dan Drake

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article >,
Dan Drake > wrote:
> Why don't you just surrender to the BillyWare steamroller? Resistance
> is futile.

What? And spend a fortune on new soft and hardware every few months - not
to mention virus protection - and for what real benefit? A few crappy
websites selling things I don't want anyway?

I'll spend my hard earned on motoring, thanks.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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[Dan Drake]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:32:37 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
> wrote:

>I'll spend my hard earned on motoring, thanks.

....and that's what *I* do. At least we can agree on that.
--
Dan Drake