Formula 1

[Mitch_A]

Four top carmakers plan to split from Formula One and launch a rival
open-wheel Grand Prix racing series by 2008.

http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/10018382.htm

[Woodie83]

Mitch_A wrote:
> Four top carmakers plan to split from Formula One and launch a rival
> open-wheel Grand Prix racing series by 2008.

Because it worked out so well for Indycars.


Don McCorkle

[Andi Cole]

Did Indycars have a Bernie Ecclestone to 'get away' from.

Andi.



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"Woodie83" > wrote in message
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> Mitch_A wrote:
> > Four top carmakers plan to split from Formula One and launch a rival
> > open-wheel Grand Prix racing series by 2008.
>
> Because it worked out so well for Indycars.
>
>
> Don McCorkle

[elrikk]

"Andi Cole" > wrote in message
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> Did Indycars have a Bernie Ecclestone to 'get away' from.
>
> Andi.


Well, . . . Dave H, . . . are you going to tell him ? ;o)

Elrikk

[Dave Henrie]

"Andi Cole" > wrote in news:417f9e48$0$80681
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> Did Indycars have a Bernie Ecclestone to 'get away' from.
>
> Andi.

a breathern at least...


dave henrie

[Dave Henrie]

"elrikk" > wrote in news:I1Ofd.119222$vi5.2164951
@weber.videotron.net:

>
> Well, . . . Dave H, . . . are you going to tell him ? ;o)
>
> Elrikk
>

yup!!! :>

[Kendt Eklund]

Woodie83 > wrote in message >...
> Mitch_A wrote:
> > Four top carmakers plan to split from Formula One and launch a rival
> > open-wheel Grand Prix racing series by 2008.
>
> Because it worked out so well for Indycars.
>
>
> Don McCorkle

Except that nobody in Indycars has the weight that Ferrari does in F1.
I'd suspect that wherever Ferrari goes will be considered the real
Grand Prix championship. I bet the only reason Toyota hasn't signed
on is they hope they'll finally get a Formula 1 constructors title
after spending all that money ;).

Kendt

BTW - WTF is up with the upcoming WRC rules? I'd think those changes
are even more underhanded and arbitrary than anything done in F1
lately. The FIA certainly seems ready for a major shakeup.

[Mitch_A]

What about the new FIA rules? Two tires all weekend, reduced displacement,
aero package changes. Pretty drastic eh? Are they doing this to increase
competition, reduce costs, safety or maybe all of the above?

Mitch


"Kendt Eklund" > wrote in message > BTW - WTF is up
with the upcoming WRC rules? I'd think those changes
> are even more underhanded and arbitrary than anything done in F1
> lately. The FIA certainly seems ready for a major shakeup.

[Jan Verschueren]

Mitch_A wrote:
> What about the new FIA rules? Two tires all weekend, reduced
> displacement, aero package changes. Pretty drastic eh? Are they
> doing this to increase competition, reduce costs, safety or maybe all
> of the above?

They're not going the whole hog for next year AND the measures which are
being taken will only really benifit the big teams.

Ferrari/Williams/McLaren stand to save money to the tune of Minardi or
Jordan's annual budget, but the lesser teams will, in comparison, save less
and see their ability to gain competitiveness reduced even further.

Also there is no doubt the major players will find other motorsports willing
to create loopholes for them to test F1 technology there and thus gain as
much tracktime as they want.

That said, F1 teams are spending rediculous amounts of money on stuff that
doesn't improve the racing from a spectator point of view and which cannot
be adapted for road car use, thus bypassing F1's historical reason for being
(the current one being marketing and "image"). Something has got to be done
before the balloon deflates totally and this is an attempt at doing so.

Jan.
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[Dave Henrie]

"Jan Verschueren" > wrote in
:

> That said, F1 teams are spending rediculous amounts of money on stuff
> that doesn't improve the racing from a spectator point of view and
> which cannot be adapted for road car use, thus bypassing F1's
> historical reason for being (the current one being marketing and
> "image"). Something has got to be done before the balloon deflates
> totally and this is an attempt at doing so.
>
> Jan.
>

Does not the Enzo come stuffed with F1 tech?

dave henrie

[JP]

Mitch_A > wrote in message
. com...
> Four top carmakers plan to split from Formula One and launch a rival
> open-wheel Grand Prix racing series by 2008.
>
> http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/10018382.htm


Cool. Just what is needed; two series without racing.


>

[Kendt Eklund]

"Mitch_A" > wrote in message >...
> What about the new FIA rules? Two tires all weekend, reduced displacement,
> aero package changes. Pretty drastic eh? Are they doing this to increase
> competition, reduce costs, safety or maybe all of the above?
>
> Mitch

I was talking about the way they just delivered them to the teams in a
letter at one of the rounds. They also said (although this may have
changed, correct me if I'm wrong) that all teams had to go to
transverse-mounted inline 4cyl - which screws Subaru for no good
reason I can think of.

Kendt

[Jan Verschueren]

"Dave Henrie" wrote...
>> <snip>
>
> Does not the Enzo come stuffed with F1 tech?

And how many Enzos do you think will ever get driven on public roads?

Jan.
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[Dave Henrie]

"Jan Verschueren" > wrote in
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> And how many Enzos do you think will ever get driven on public roads?
>
> Jan.

A better question might be...of those Enzos that DO see the public
roads, how many will end up in the ditch? :)
dave henrie

[nathantw]

I thought they were trying to make it like 1968 where the drivers were the
ones that won races and not technology. In those days they used one set of
tires for more than one race. Then again, what do I know?

"Mitch_A" > wrote in message
. ..
> What about the new FIA rules? Two tires all weekend, reduced
> displacement, aero package changes. Pretty drastic eh? Are they doing
> this to increase competition, reduce costs, safety or maybe all of the
> above?
>
> Mitch
>
>
> "Kendt Eklund" > wrote in message > BTW - WTF is up
> with the upcoming WRC rules? I'd think those changes
>> are even more underhanded and arbitrary than anything done in F1
>> lately. The FIA certainly seems ready for a major shakeup.
>
>

[nathantw]

Maybe we can then be able to get a licensed Grand Prix racing game back onto
the PC! Granting Sony sole rights to the games was a joke! They've had the
exclusive Formula One license for 1 or 2 seasons now and how many sims have
you seen?

"Mitch_A" > wrote in message
. com...
> Four top carmakers plan to split from Formula One and launch a rival
> open-wheel Grand Prix racing series by 2008.
>
> http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/10018382.htm
>

[Dave Henrie]

"nathantw" > wrote in
m:

> Maybe we can then be able to get a licensed Grand Prix racing game
> back onto the PC! Granting Sony sole rights to the games was a joke!
> They've had the exclusive Formula One license for 1 or 2 seasons now
> and how many sims have you seen?
>
>
>

What's the point? We've had Crammond's GP series and the ISI series up
to this year. With the exception of the qualifying rules, you pretty much
already HAVE a modern F1 sim. I'm not missing it any and I watch F1 every
Sunday it's on, often at 4:30 am due to my West Coast location.
dave henrie