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nopcbs
March 2nd 08, 12:55 PM
I am old enough that while I never owned a BMW 2002 when they were actually
being made, like any good reader of Car and Driver reviews of the 2002, I
lusted after them a lot. Unfortunately, at the time I only had $3500 to
spend and 2002's were around $5000 with very few dealers, so I ended up with
a Ford Capri 2600 (German made) that promptly dissolved away in the Chicago
winters (lots of salt). Why I did not look for a used 2002 is a mystery to
me at this point, but I fear it would have dissolved away, too, so maybe it
is better I did not get one in that environment.

Nevertheless, my respect for 2002's is quite high (sensible design, big
green-house, tasteful and simple styling, good, but not over-the-top power,
even semi-affordable).

So BMW introduces the 1-Series hatch in Europe as a kind of son-of-2002. And
while it looks nothing like the 2002 (this is the age of Bangle, alas), one
can accept it as a spiritual off-spring...especially from the practicality
standpoint. Then they decide to send it to the US, but not as a hatch, as a
coupe and now a convertible. Both slightly less porky off-shoots of the
3-Series and both seriously expensive and, let's face it, esthetically very
challenged.

Now comes the really weird part. The automotive press goes ga ga over both
of them and I have no clue why. Worse they continue to compare the 1-Series
to the sainted 2002. At least as sold in the US, the 1-Series is the
antithesis of the 2002. The 1-Series is nothing more than 3-Series
(slightly) Lite, with worse handling.

I am no fan of the current 3-Series (vastly prefer my 2003 E46 zhp sedan),
but OK, it's the only 3-Series being made for now and until the twin turbo
engine over-heats and dies, it is very nice, so I can see people getting
them, but where is the attraction in the (non-hatch) 1-Series that costs
almost as much and looks even worse?

- GRL

Dave Plowman (News)
March 2nd 08, 05:10 PM
In article >,
nopcbs > wrote:
> I am old enough that while I never owned a BMW 2002 when they were
> actually being made, like any good reader of Car and Driver reviews of
> the 2002, I lusted after them a lot. Unfortunately, at the time I only
> had $3500 to spend and 2002's were around $5000 with very few dealers,
> so I ended up with a Ford Capri 2600 (German made) that promptly
> dissolved away in the Chicago winters (lots of salt). Why I did not
> look for a used 2002 is a mystery to me at this point, but I fear it
> would have dissolved away, too, so maybe it is better I did not get one
> in that environment.

Yup - that's why so few survive. They rusted like crazy.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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Tom K.
March 2nd 08, 06:06 PM
"nopcbs" > wrote in message
...
> The 1-Series is nothing more than 3-Series (slightly) Lite, with worse
> handling.
>

Do you have a source for this assertion? C/D magazine reports slightly
skidpad better figures for the 135i vs. the 335i.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/bmw_performance_m_power/2008_bmw_135i_short_take_road_test/(page)/1

Tom K.

Ed Smith[_3_]
March 2nd 08, 09:09 PM
--
Ed Smith"I came into the world with nothing and I still have most of it"
"nopcbs" > wrote in message
...
I am old enough that while I never owned a BMW 2002 when they were actually
being made, like any good reader of Car and Driver reviews of the 2002, I
lusted after them a lot. Unfortunately, at the time I only had $3500 to
spend and 2002's were around $5000 with very few dealers, so I ended up with
a Ford Capri 2600 (German made) that promptly dissolved away in the Chicago
winters (lots of salt). Why I did not look for a used 2002 is a mystery to
me at this point, but I fear it would have dissolved away, too, so maybe it
is better I did not get one in that environment.

Nevertheless, my respect for 2002's is quite high (sensible design, big
green-house, tasteful and simple styling, good, but not over-the-top power,
even semi-affordable).

So BMW introduces the 1-Series hatch in Europe as a kind of son-of-2002. And
while it looks nothing like the 2002 (this is the age of Bangle, alas), one
can accept it as a spiritual off-spring...especially from the practicality
standpoint. Then they decide to send it to the US, but not as a hatch, as a
coupe and now a convertible. Both slightly less porky off-shoots of the
3-Series and both seriously expensive and, let's face it, esthetically very
challenged.

Now comes the really weird part. The automotive press goes ga ga over both
of them and I have no clue why. Worse they continue to compare the 1-Series
to the sainted 2002. At least as sold in the US, the 1-Series is the
antithesis of the 2002. The 1-Series is nothing more than 3-Series
(slightly) Lite, with worse handling.

I am no fan of the current 3-Series (vastly prefer my 2003 E46 zhp sedan),
but OK, it's the only 3-Series being made for now and until the twin turbo
engine over-heats and dies, it is very nice, so I can see people getting
them, but where is the attraction in the (non-hatch) 1-Series that costs
almost as much and looks even worse?

- GRL

While stationed in Germany (Bitburg Ab) in 1968-70, I was able to purchase a
1970 BMW 2002 in 1970 before my rotation back to the states for $2500. I
found the car exhilarating, a 4 cylinder that could reach 100mph easily,
premium fuel but back then it was a lot cheaper and a lot of fun to drive,
especially on hilly, curvy roads. I only hope that the new 1 series reaches
that level of price and performance. I was only able to keep my 2002 for
about 5 years. I had put about 180,000 miles on it, started selling life
insurance and travelling all over NY, upstate and long island the miles
piled up. It served me well and I never regretted anything about it,
especially the maintenance, solidd lifters and having the valves adjusted
every 6k. Ah the memories.

dizzy
March 3rd 08, 12:05 AM
nopcbs wrote:

>So BMW introduces the 1-Series hatch in Europe as a kind of son-of-2002. And
>while it looks nothing like the 2002 (this is the age of Bangle, alas), one
>can accept it as a spiritual off-spring...especially from the practicality
>standpoint. Then they decide to send it to the US, but not as a hatch, as a
>coupe and now a convertible. Both slightly less porky off-shoots of the
>3-Series and both seriously expensive and, let's face it, esthetically very
>challenged.

*Very* slightly less porky, unfortunately. I don't really "get" the
1-series. A 3-series with a shorter wheelbase does not a new car
make.

E28 Guyİ
March 4th 08, 08:44 PM
On Mar 2, 3:09 pm, "Ed Smith" > wrote:
>
> It served me well and I never regretted anything about it,
> especially the maintenance, solid lifters and having the valves adjusted
> every 6k. Ah the memories.

Actually, ummm ... *no* lifters. The rockers ride directly on the cam
lobes and the valve stems.
--
C.R. Krieger
Been there; adjusted them.

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