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Am Mon, 16 Apr 2018 09:25:29 -0700 (PDT), schrieb trader_4:

> Yet in the other thread, you're worried about how far a clay pipe can
> go unsupported. Many would consider that simple. And finding a "clip"
> when it comes to removing a speaker isn't what it's all about. Most
> times you can't see a clip or anything from the start. We had a thread
> here a month ago where a guy was having difficulty removing a speaker
> even after a lot of trial and error. Many times, what you think is
> obvious, just ain't so. But like I said, feel free to screw around,
> wander in the wilderness and eschew easily available free video resources
> that make jobs easy.

It's clear that you, trader_4, understand that of the fifty or so bolts and
clips that had to come out, not a single one was visible, where it's not
always obvious how many there are or in which order to remove the dozen or
so pieces of trim and lights and grills and decks and molding and belts and
cushions, etc., that had to be removed in order to just *expose* the
speaker bolts in this kid's vehicle.

Obviously, once the speakers were exposed, the wiring was trivial, which,
even James Wilkinson Sword must note, I didn't say I had any problem with
the physical part of wiring the speakers.

BTW, to add value here, the *great* thing about the physical wiring was
that the positive and negative was so obvious in so many ways that you
couldn't possibly make a mistake.
a. The harness wires were color coded with a red stripe
b. The speaker wires were also color coded with a red stripe
c. The speakers themselves had different sized connectors
d. The harness connection itself only clipped in one way
e. The speakers had a plus and minus symbol

So, the wiring was really easy. I used wire nuts to connect to the harness
connector so that the speakers could be swapped out more easily in the
future.

Routing the wires was also easy as there were pre-fashioned clips and
curved troughs in the back deck, which routed the wires behind the seats to
the hidden harness connectors (none of which was covered in the video but
they were all easy to find since you just follow the wires).

The speaker cutout even had a "well indentation" to get the wires from
underneath (in the trunk) to topside (to connect to the hidden harness clip
behind the back of the seats).

So, as trader_4 astutely noted, the wiring wasn't ever the problem. The
advantage of the video was simply to know where the fifty odd hidden
connections were in the dozen odd upholstery and trim panels that had to be
removed.

Plus, it kept the kid busy whose car it was.

Troll-feeding Idiot Alert!
 

On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 16:27:49 +0000 (UTC), Ragnusen Ultred, another
troll-feeding moron, blabbered:

<FLUSH another load of idiotic troll fodder>

Using an iPad to follow a YouTube DIY without Internet to replace automotive speakers
 

Am Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:20:55 -0700 (PDT), schrieb :

> Then they are out of phase and as one cone is moving out,
> the other is moving in. How noticeable it is, idk,
> but audiophiles would be horrified.

Makes sense.
Do you think that could damage the speakers?

Using an iPad to follow a YouTube DIY without Internet to replaceautomotive speakers
 

On 17/04/18 06:34, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
> Am Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:20:55 -0700 (PDT), schrieb :
>
>> Then they are out of phase and as one cone is moving out,
>> the other is moving in. How noticeable it is, idk,
>> but audiophiles would be horrified.
>
> Makes sense.
> Do you think that could damage the speakers?

If two stereo speakers are out of phase,
they tend to cancel out low frequencies.
You get no bass. The cutoff frequency
depends on how far apart the speakers are.
If they're less than half a wavelength
you get significant cancellation.

Try this: wire two speakers this way,
set your amp to mono, and place the
speakers directly face-to-face. Most
of the sound gets cancelled.

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On 17/04/18 10:26, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 00:24:14 +0100, Clifford Heath >
> wrote:
>
>> On 17/04/18 06:34, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
>>> Am Mon, 16 Apr 2018 13:20:55 -0700 (PDT), schrieb :
>>>
>>>> Then they are out of phase and as one cone is moving out,
>>>> the other is moving in. How noticeable it is, idk,
>>>> but audiophiles would be* horrified.
>>>
>>> Makes sense.
>>> Do you think that could damage the speakers?
>>
>> If two stereo speakers are out of phase,
>> they tend to cancel out low frequencies.
>> You get no bass. The cutoff frequency
>> depends on how far apart the speakers are.
>> If they're less than half a wavelength
>> you get significant cancellation.
>>
>> Try this: wire two speakers this way,
>> set your amp to mono, and place the
>> speakers directly face-to-face. Most
>> of the sound gets cancelled.
>
> Am I being stupid or shouldn't ALL the sound get cancelled at ANY
> frequency if you're sat midway between them?* Imagine you're sat in your
> living room and have one speaker 3 metres in front of you and 1 metre to
> the left, and the other 3 metres in front of you and 1 metre to the
> right.* All sounds come out of the two speakers 180 degrees out of
> phase.* Since the distance from the left speaker and the right speaker
> to your head is identical, the sounds will still be 180 degrees out of
> phase when they reach you.
>
> Since this doesn't happen I can only assume that either:
> 1) you hear the two out of phase sounds with different ears and your
> brain allows for this.
> 2) reflections off the walls mean you can always hear the sound anyway.
>
> I've often connected speakers both ways round and never been able to
> tell one was quieter than the other.
>
> If you were in one of those weird silent rooms (anechoic?) then you
> might not hear anything if you wired them up wrong.* I saw a TV program
> once where you couldn't hear someone speaking if they faced the other
> way, as the sound from their mouth didn't bounce off anything.* I guess
> the same would happen if you were floating in mid air, like er....
> space, but with air.
>
> Anyway, it doesn't matter, you get precisely the same sound whichever
> way you wire them up, I guess something just bounces.
>

Most of the sound you hear in any room is actually reflections.
Like 70%. So in your setup, you might get cancellation of the
direct sound, but that's only part of what you hear - and the
rest takes various paths that don't cancel.

Troll-feeding Idiot Alert!
 

On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 11:11:23 +1000, Clifford Heath, another mentally
challenged troll-feeding idiot, blathered:

>
> Most of the sound you hear in any room is actually reflections.

Somewhat like you troll-feeding idiots are reflecting the Scottish ******'s
idiocy?

Troll-feeding Idiot Alert!
 

On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:11:22 +0000 (UTC), Ragnusen Ultred, the notorious
troll-feeding idiot, driveled again:

> Am Tue, 17 Apr 2018 13:14:57 +0100, schrieb James Wilkinson Sword:
>
>> Funny, whenever I've fitted speakers (and I've put quite a few
>> silly large stereos in my cars) I've never encountered more than
>> about 5 clips per speaker. Just remove one plastic panel and
>> unscrew the speaker from underneath.
>
> You have an intuitive mind.
>
> Every car is different.

<FLUSH all the drivel>

Geez ...another troll-feeding who likes to hear himself talking! <tsk>

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On 18/04/2018 12:22 AM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 15:11:22 +0100, Ragnusen Ultred
> > wrote:
>
>> Am Tue, 17 Apr 2018 13:14:57 +0100, schrieb James Wilkinson Sword:
>>
>>> Funny, whenever I've fitted speakers (and I've put quite a few
>>> silly large stereos in my cars) I've never encountered more than
>>> about 5 clips per speaker.* Just remove one plastic panel and
>>> unscrew the speaker from underneath.
>>
>> You have an intuitive mind.
>
> I see it as common sense.

Common Sense, a very rare substance.


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On 2018-04-17 07:11, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
> Am Tue, 17 Apr 2018 13:14:57 +0100, schrieb James Wilkinson Sword:
>
>> A load of ****
>
> Another load of ****


What a load of **** you ******* spout.

Using an iPad to follow a YouTube DIY without Internet to replaceautomotive speakers
 

On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 00:10:31 +0100, +++ATH0 > wrote:

> On 2018-04-17 07:11, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
>> Am Tue, 17 Apr 2018 13:14:57 +0100, schrieb James Wilkinson Sword:
>>
>>> A load of ****
>>
>> Another load of ****
>
> What a load of **** you ******* spout.

What do you expect from someone called "Ragnusen"?

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