"Shag" > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 04 May 2005 00:51:03 GMT, "Dan Smith" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Shag" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> On Tue, 03 May 2005 23:59:13 GMT, "Dan Smith" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Wrong!
> >>
> >> Well... it's tough to argue with an intelligent argument like that.
> >> *watches tumbleweed blow by*
> >>
> >> "Stupid people are funny." - me
> >
> >I prefer the following:
> >
> >"Stupid people are dangerous."
> >
>
> You are funny.
>
> "Stupid people are funny." - me

You're hilarious! ^^^^^^

"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
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> $sy6.563@lakeread04...
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> > "Dan Smith" > wrote in message
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> > >
> > >
> > > What are you smoking???
> > >
> > > According to what you're saying I can't pop a balloon by stepping on
it.
> > >
> > > Dream on!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > no sir...your reading comprehension and single digit IQ have comdemned
> you
> > to ignorance....the balloon thing is actually a very good example of
what
> i
> > am saying....if you step on the balloon it will pop...we all know
> this...but
> > its not due to pressure increasing....
>
> as a follow up, please Dan-d-man tell me why a helium balloon will burst
> when you release it into the "sky"?....the pressure inside the balloon
> decreases the higher it goes..but it still ruptures....or can you not wrap
> your brain cell around this either?
>
>

That cinched it! You really don't know what you're talking about.

"Stupid people are funny!" - Shaggie

"Shag" > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 4 May 2005 13:29:16 -0500, "Lorem Ipsum" >
> wrote:
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> >[... attributes lost ...]
> >> as a follow up, please Dan-d-man tell me why a helium balloon will
burst
> >> when you release it into the "sky"?....the pressure inside the balloon
> >> decreases the higher it goes..but it still ruptures
> >
> >True. The pressure inside the balloon lowers as the atmospheric pressures
> >lowers, and the ballooon ruptures because it expands beyond its
elasticity
> >(elasticity is lost mostly due to stretching but also in part by the low
> >temperature of the environment), but what's the point of the observation?
> >How does it relate to Dan's position?
>
> I think at this point he was trying to see exactly how far Dan had his
> head up his ass. I could be wrong. Have been before.
>
> "Stupid people are funny." - me

And you're wrong again.

"Stupid people are funny." - Shaggie

"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
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> "Lorem Ipsum" > wrote in message
> ...
> > [... attributes lost ...]
> > > as a follow up, please Dan-d-man tell me why a helium balloon will
burst
> > > when you release it into the "sky"?....the pressure inside the balloon
> > > decreases the higher it goes..but it still ruptures
> >
> > True. The pressure inside the balloon lowers as the atmospheric
pressures
> > lowers, and the ballooon ruptures because it expands beyond its
elasticity
> > (elasticity is lost mostly due to stretching but also in part by the low
> > temperature of the environment), but what's the point of the
observation?
> > How does it relate to Dan's position?
> >
> >
> >
>
> it relates simply because dan is proposing that stepping on a balloon will
> in essence *raise* the pressure till it pops...it won't...the pressure
> inside is just displaced from under the foot and the balloon stretches
until
> the surface ruptures.... what he thought it had to do with tires, I don't
> know either, but he was kinda swinging at something, so I posed the
question
> to show that the balloon will still pop when the reverse of what he
believes
> happens...that's all...
>
>

And just what do you think causes it to stretch??? PRESSURE!!!

Hell, this is grade school level science.

"Shag" > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 4 May 2005 19:51:59 -0500, "Lorem Ipsum" >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
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> >
> >>> True. The pressure inside the balloon lowers as the atmospheric
pressures
> >>> lowers, and the ballooon ruptures because it expands beyond its
> >>> elasticity
> >>> (elasticity is lost mostly due to stretching but also in part by the
low
> >>> temperature of the environment), but what's the point of the
observation?
> >>> How does it relate to Dan's position?
> >
> >> it relates simply because dan is proposing that stepping on a balloon
will
> >> in essence *raise* the pressure till it pops...it won't...the pressure
> >> inside is just displaced from under the foot and the balloon stretches
> >> until
> >> the surface ruptures
> >
> >He is right. If stepping on the balloon causes the skin to exceed its
> >capacity, then it behaves just as it would if it were at a high altitude,
> >and for the same reasons.
> >
>
> Who are you, his boyfriend? (I typed up a much less flame-worthy
> response to your post until I realized I didn't know why I bothered.)
>
> "Stupid people are funny." - me

Gee Shaggie! I've never seen you like this.

What's wrong? You're mig welder go belly up?

"Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
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> "Lorem Ipsum" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
> > news:gibee.1396$sy6.247@lakeread04...
> >
> > He is right. If stepping on the balloon causes the skin to exceed its
> > capacity, then it behaves just as it would if it were at a high
altitude,
> > and for the same reasons.
> >
> >
>
> you are semi-correct...which is the whole point...can you follow me?
> stepping on the balloon puts MORE force on the outside(pressure)....high
> altitude puts less....can't see how that would be it failing for "the same
> reasons"....the "opposite" I could see, but you are wrong on "the
same"...if
> you need a more thorough explanation of this, and the post you replied to,
> since its * APPARENT * you don't follow it, feel free to ask someone that
> actually feels like educating people as I do not....
>
>

"stepping on the balloon puts MORE force on the outside(pressure)...."

So Joey, you're saying that when someone steps on a balloon and it pops it's
really imploding. You're saying it doesn't develop such high pressure inside
that the balloon finally bursts from the inside out?...???

I'm not following that line of (il)logic. Please enlighten us with you
brilliance (or are you just baffling us with your bull****?).

"Dan Smith" > wrote

> And just what do you think causes it to stretch??? PRESSURE!!!

Don't trouble JT with facts. He doesn't understand the meaning of the
concept.

"Lorem Ipsum" > wrote in message
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> "Joey Tribiani" > wrote in message
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>
> > you are semi-correct...which is the whole point...can you follow me?
> > stepping on the balloon puts MORE force on the outside(pressure)....high
> > altitude puts less.... can't see how that would be it failing for "the
> > same
> > reasons"....the "opposite" I could see,
>
> Yep. The altitude and balloon thing shouldn't even have been in the thread
> because it has nothing to do in reality with the tire issue.
>
>

Well, it sort of is similar. As the balloon rises the pressure outside the
balloon drops. The skin of the balloon can't contain the higher pressure
inside the balloon at a fixed volume (because the skin of the balloon is
neither strong enough nor rigid enough) so it stretches...and
stretches...and stretches. This stretching lowers the pressure differential
between the inside of the balloon and the ouside of the balloon by allowing
the the internal volume to increase.

This continues until the skin of the balloon ruptures.

This is also what happens when you step on a balloon only you reduce the
volume for a fixed amount of a gas (the air) by distorting the shape of the
balloon until the pressure is so great and the skin has stretched so far
that some part of the skin of the balloon ruptures.

When you add weight to a car you distort the shape of the tire. This
distortion reduced the volume inside the tire. The tire stretches some to
help keep the pressure differential reduced but it can't stretch enough to
totally compensate so the pressure inside the tire increases.

When you have a fixed amount of gas (in this case air) in a container (the
tire) and reduce the volume of the container the pressure goes up. This is
why the tire pressure goes up as the weight it is supporting increases.

You already admitted the shape of the tire distorts. Now all you have to
wrap your brain around is the fact that when you distort the shape of the
tire you also reduce the volume inside the tire and the pressure increases.

I'm not going to go into the calculus supporting this. You're just going to
have to research that yourself.

"Dan Smith" > wrote in message
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> "Lorem Ipsum" > wrote

>> Yep. The altitude and balloon thing shouldn't even have been in the
>> thread
>> because it has nothing to do in reality with the tire issue.

> Well, it sort of is similar. As the balloon rises the pressure outside
> the
> balloon drops. The skin of the balloon can't contain the higher pressure
> [...]

Yeah. I said that in fewer words. What have you added to the thread?

>I'm not going to go into the calculus supporting this. You're just going
>to
>have to research that yourself.

You don't need calculus. Linear arithmetic will suffice. Or, in its place,
two brain cells firing in unison.

"Lorem Ipsum" > wrote in message
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> "Dan Smith" > wrote
>
> > And just what do you think causes it to stretch??? PRESSURE!!!
>
> Don't trouble JT with facts. He doesn't understand the meaning of the
> concept.
>
>

Lorem Ipsum,

In a prior post replying to your post I ended up by saying something about,
"Now you need to wrap your brain around..." You are not the 'you' I was
referring to. I was initially replying to you, then I was replying to Joey
when I finished up.

Sorry about that.

-Dan