secret compartments in autos
I recal reading somewhere that there was a law against having secret
compartments in an auto? Anyone know more about this? -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
secret compartments in autos
Ashton Crusher wrote:
> On 12 May 2007 18:12:16 GMT, Jim Yanik > wrote: > > >>I recal reading somewhere that there was a law against having secret >>compartments in an auto? >> >>Anyone know more about this? > > > Go here > > http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...7/ai_n16745963 > > it's what I found with a quick google search. Looks like this bad law > may have been declared unconstitutional. It's just another law > demonstrating that your gvt has no respect for your rights. IIRC, that was one of the charges brought against Snoop Dogg last fall. Apparently, secret compartments are standard equipment on some cars: http://resanium.com/blog/?p=97 I ran across this article too: http://judiciary.senate.gov/oldsite/330200rg.htm <quote> Trooper Perry called for the K-9 unit from the second patrol car. I said I wanted to watch the search and we got out of the car. The dog walked around the outside of the vehicle. The dog did not “alert.” He did not bark, scratch, whimper or sit down, although the trooper kept patting certain areas of the car and would not let the dog walk away. Even though the dog did not alert, the second trooper patted the right wheel well and claimed that the dog had alerted. He said he would conduct a full scale search now. I have been trained in using dogs and thought that the search was highly improper and unusually suggestive. Trooper Perry ordered Gregory and me to get back into the car. At this point, I became really worried that the Troopers were going to plant illegal contraband in my car. Trooper Perry then got the drill and took over the search. He began drilling under the carpet at the feet of the passenger side. Trooper Perry came back to the car and stated that he had found “something.” The two troopers spoke privately. I was then accused of having a secret compartment in my car that had drug residue in it. This compartment was actually a footrest that was a feature of the car. </quote> |
secret compartments in autos
Ashton Crusher > wrote in
: > On 12 May 2007 18:12:16 GMT, Jim Yanik > wrote: > >>I recal reading somewhere that there was a law against having secret >>compartments in an auto? >> >>Anyone know more about this? > > Go here > > http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...7/ai_n16745963 I saw this one. > > it's what I found with a quick google search. Looks like this bad law > may have been declared unconstitutional. It's just another law > demonstrating that your gvt has no respect for your rights. That ruling holds only in Illinois.(I agree the ban is a bad law.) After some Google searching,I've found GA,MA,CA,IA,SC,NC and AL all have laws prohibiting secret compartments in vehicles. That's not a complete list,just what I've found so far. Some states also make it a felony to MAKE a secret compartment,others go by "intent"(thoughtcrime) to hide contraband,but make no mention of legal items being hidden. I suspect other states also have similar laws. I believe it derives from the War on Drugs. I asked because of a debate about leaving firearms in cars and them getting stolen.A hidden compartment would make it much harder to steal a handgun,since it would not be easily discovered by a thief. Problem is,the ban is not consistent across the entire country,so one could be legal in your home state,but not in others,if travelling by auto. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
secret compartments in autos
On May 12, 2:26 pm, Jim Yanik > wrote:
> Ashton Crusher > wrote : > > > On 12 May 2007 18:12:16 GMT, Jim Yanik > wrote: > > >>I recal reading somewhere that there was a law against having secret > >>compartments in an auto? > > >>Anyone know more about this? > > > Go here > > >http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...7/ai_n16745963 > > I saw this one. > > > > > it's what I found with a quick google search. Looks like this bad law > > may have been declared unconstitutional. It's just another law > > demonstrating that your gvt has no respect for your rights. > > That ruling holds only in Illinois.(I agree the ban is a bad law.) > > After some Google searching,I've found GA,MA,CA,IA,SC,NC and AL all have > laws prohibiting secret compartments in vehicles. That's not a complete > list,just what I've found so far. Some states also make it a felony to MAKE > a secret compartment,others go by "intent"(thoughtcrime) to hide > contraband,but make no mention of legal items being hidden. > > I suspect other states also have similar laws. > > I believe it derives from the War on Drugs. > I asked because of a debate about leaving firearms in cars and them getting > stolen.A hidden compartment would make it much harder to steal a > handgun,since it would not be easily discovered by a thief. > > Problem is,the ban is not consistent across the entire country,so one could > be legal in your home state,but not in others,if travelling by auto. > > -- > Jim Yanik > jyanik > at > kua.net Hmmm, Isn't this interferring with interstate commerce in some cases? |
secret compartments in autos
In article >, Jim Yanik wrote:
> I recal reading somewhere that there was a law against having secret > compartments in an auto? > > Anyone know more about this? Illinois state law is that police can sieze a person's vehicle if there is a hidden compartment that didn't come with the car from the factory and the police believe it was to hide something from them. The way the law is written, if someone thought the local PD was after his jelly doughnuts so he built a secret compartment and hid a dozen jelly doughnuts in there, the cops upon discovering the compartment and the jelly doughnuts using their dog could then take the car. |
secret compartments in autos
In article >, Fred G. Mackey wrote:
> http://judiciary.senate.gov/oldsite/330200rg.htm > ><quote> > Trooper Perry called for the K-9 unit from the second patrol car. I said > I wanted to watch the search and we got out of the car. The dog walked > around the outside of the vehicle. The dog did not ?alert.? He did not > bark, scratch, whimper or sit down, although the trooper kept patting > certain areas of the car and would not let the dog walk away. Even > though the dog did not alert, the second trooper patted the right wheel > well and claimed that the dog had alerted. He said he would conduct a > full scale search now. I have been trained in using dogs and thought > that the search was highly improper and unusually suggestive. Isn't this *EXACTLY* what jaybird told me -NEVER- happens and I was just paranoid? ? The cop just says the dog alerted or he makes the dog alert. > Trooper Perry ordered Gregory and me to get back into the car. At this > point, I became really worried that the Troopers were going to plant > illegal contraband in my car. Trooper Perry then got the drill and took > over the search. He began drilling under the carpet at the feet of the > passenger side. Trooper Perry came back to the car and stated that he > had found ?something.? The two troopers spoke privately. I was then > accused of having a secret compartment in my car that had drug residue > in it. This compartment was actually a footrest that was a feature of > the car. ></quote> The rest of the story gets even worse.... just the sort of thing I'm told doesn't happen. It's congressional testimony though. |
secret compartments in autos
Brent P wrote:
> In article >, Fred G. Mackey wrote: > > >>http://judiciary.senate.gov/oldsite/330200rg.htm >> >><quote> >>Trooper Perry called for the K-9 unit from the second patrol car. I said >>I wanted to watch the search and we got out of the car. The dog walked >>around the outside of the vehicle. The dog did not ?alert.? He did not >>bark, scratch, whimper or sit down, although the trooper kept patting >>certain areas of the car and would not let the dog walk away. Even >>though the dog did not alert, the second trooper patted the right wheel >>well and claimed that the dog had alerted. He said he would conduct a >>full scale search now. I have been trained in using dogs and thought >>that the search was highly improper and unusually suggestive. > > > Isn't this *EXACTLY* what jaybird told me -NEVER- happens and I was just > paranoid? ? The cop just says the dog alerted or he makes the dog > alert. > Yup. And we all know it does happen. I used to work with some guys that said a former coworker had a vehicle completely disassembled at the US/Canada border just because he mouthed off to a border guard (apparently this guy was not the brightest bulb in the candelabra.) > > >>Trooper Perry ordered Gregory and me to get back into the car. At this >>point, I became really worried that the Troopers were going to plant >>illegal contraband in my car. Trooper Perry then got the drill and took >>over the search. He began drilling under the carpet at the feet of the >>passenger side. Trooper Perry came back to the car and stated that he >>had found ?something.? The two troopers spoke privately. I was then >>accused of having a secret compartment in my car that had drug residue >>in it. This compartment was actually a footrest that was a feature of >>the car. >></quote> > > > The rest of the story gets even worse.... just the sort of thing I'm told > doesn't happen. It's congressional testimony though. > The above really scares me because Porsches pretty much all have "false floors" and they tend to hide important, expensive stuff under them... like engine computers. A cop could easily destroy a car simply by drilling a hole in the floor. I mean, the car would still be OK, but it would cost more to buy a new computer from Porsche than the car is worth. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
secret compartments in autos
On May 12, 2:26 pm, Jim Yanik > wrote:
> Ashton Crusher > wrote : > > > On 12 May 2007 18:12:16 GMT, Jim Yanik > wrote: > > >>I recal reading somewhere that there was a law against having secret > >>compartments in an auto? > > >>Anyone know more about this? > > > Go here > > >http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...7/ai_n16745963 > > I saw this one. > > > > > it's what I found with a quick google search. Looks like this bad law > > may have been declared unconstitutional. It's just another law > > demonstrating that your gvt has no respect for your rights. > > That ruling holds only in Illinois.(I agree the ban is a bad law.) > > After some Google searching,I've found GA,MA,CA,IA,SC,NC and AL all have > laws prohibiting secret compartments in vehicles. That's not a complete > list,just what I've found so far. Some states also make it a felony to MAKE > a secret compartment,others go by "intent"(thoughtcrime) to hide > contraband,but make no mention of legal items being hidden. > > I suspect other states also have similar laws. > > I believe it derives from the War on Drugs. > I asked because of a debate about leaving firearms in cars and them getting > stolen.A hidden compartment would make it much harder to steal a > handgun,since it would not be easily discovered by a thief. > > Problem is,the ban is not consistent across the entire country,so one could > be legal in your home state,but not in others,if travelling by auto. > > -- > Jim Yanik > jyanik > at > kua.net Interesting. I knew there was _a_ law but I thought it was a federal one. Guess I was wrong (as if that never happens). Harry K |
secret compartments in autos
Nate Nagel > wrote in
: > > The above really scares me because Porsches pretty much all have > "false floors" and they tend to hide important, expensive stuff under > them... like engine computers. A cop could easily destroy a car > simply by drilling a hole in the floor. I mean, the car would still > be OK, but it would cost more to buy a new computer from Porsche than > the car is worth. > > nate > For that,you bill the folks who drilled the hole. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
secret compartments in autos
Harry K > wrote in
oups.com: > On May 12, 2:26 pm, Jim Yanik > wrote: >> Ashton Crusher > wrote >> : >> >> > On 12 May 2007 18:12:16 GMT, Jim Yanik > wrote: >> >> >>I recal reading somewhere that there was a law against having >> >>secret compartments in an auto? >> >> >>Anyone know more about this? >> >> > Go here >> >> >http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...7/ai_n16745963 >> >> I saw this one. >> >> >> >> > it's what I found with a quick google search. Looks like this bad >> > law may have been declared unconstitutional. It's just another law >> > demonstrating that your gvt has no respect for your rights. >> >> That ruling holds only in Illinois.(I agree the ban is a bad law.) >> >> After some Google searching,I've found GA,MA,CA,IA,SC,NC and AL all >> have laws prohibiting secret compartments in vehicles. That's not a >> complete list,just what I've found so far. Some states also make it a >> felony to MAKE a secret compartment,others go by >> "intent"(thoughtcrime) to hide contraband,but make no mention of >> legal items being hidden. >> >> I suspect other states also have similar laws. >> >> I believe it derives from the War on Drugs. >> I asked because of a debate about leaving firearms in cars and them >> getting stolen.A hidden compartment would make it much harder to >> steal a handgun,since it would not be easily discovered by a thief. >> >> Problem is,the ban is not consistent across the entire country,so one >> could be legal in your home state,but not in others,if travelling by >> auto. >> >> -- >> Jim Yanik >> jyanik >> at >> kua.net > > Interesting. I knew there was _a_ law but I thought it was a federal > one. Guess I was wrong (as if that never happens). > > Harry K > > I wouldnt be surprised to find that there is some such Federal law either already on the books or being considered. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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