Sorry, forget all that....wrong newsgroup.

"Daniel Arrepas" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dima" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is there an FAQ related to this newsgroup?
>
> What do you need a FAQ for, when there is a Charter? :^)
>
> I am going to post this here in it's entirety because the page is
> sometimes not available (please forgive me all, for the length).
>
> Please not that the valid charter for this newsgroup is located just above
> the vote responses at the end of the document. Also please note that
> discussion of Rover vehicles is implicitly allowed and comparisons of BMW
> vehicles to other makes is not (the fact that BMW no longer produces
> Rovers has not been addressed subsequent to the sale, hence the charter
> has not been amended to disallow Rover interests posts). This came up a
> bit a go when someone complained about the thread lamenting Rover's
> demise.
>
> Anyway....here ya go:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From Wed Aug 31 18:35:38 1994
> Path: uunet!bounce-back
> From: (richard welty)
> Newsgroups:
> news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.autos.misc ,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech, rec.autos.vw
> Subject: RFD: rec.autos.makers.bmw, rec.autos.makers.italian
> Followup-To: news.groups
> Date: 31 Aug 1994 15:35:53 -0400
> Organization: CMA Consulting, Balltown Road, Schenectady, NY USA
> Lines: 76
> Sender:
> Approved:
> Message-ID: >
> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
> Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5568 news.groups:114556
> rec.autos.misc:17454 rec.autos.driving:34827 rec.autos.sport:70640
> rec.autos.tech:92844 rec.autos.vw:38825
>
> Request for Discussion
>
> Unmoderated groups:
>
> rec.autos.makers.bmw
> rec.autos.makers.italian
>
> Proposed Charters:
>
> rec.autos.makers.italian is for discussion of cars from Italy, and
> of cars with Italian heritage or containing Italian componentry
> (e.g., the Citroen SM.) This spans the range from Fiat Stradas
> to Ferrari F40s, and (unfortunately) may be interpreted as including
> the Yugo & Lada (such is life.) non-Italian cars styled by
> Italian designers and/or design houses are also legitimate topics
> of discussion.
>
> rec.autos.makers.bmw is for discussion of cars made by BMW AG.
> Discussion of other relevant marques such as Bristol, Borgward
> and EMW, and autos using BMW engines such as certain Brabhams
> would also be considered reasonable.
>
> Rationale behind Names:
>
> The original intent was to create rec.autos.bmw and rec.autos.italian;
> it was recommended to me by the members of the "group advice" list
> that the sub-hierarchy rec.autos.makers be used instead. while this
> is perhaps a bit clumsy (and since discussions of styling houses, etc.,
> will also be permissible in the italian-cars group the usage
> may not be perfectly appropriate), it seems fairly reasonable, and
> has been adapted.
>
> Why bmw (a german manufacturer) and italian (a nationality)?
>
> 1) the lists are already there; the groups should match the lists
> if we are to going to gateway (this is discussed further later
> in this proposal.)
>
> 2) rec.autos.vw already exists, rendering the creation of
> rec.autos.makers.german potentially somewhat confusing
>
> 3) if we create rec.autos.makers.fiat and rec.autos.makers.alfa
> (these being the dominant manufacturers discussed on the present
> italian-cars list) we effectively eliminate other areas of discussion
> that presently exist.
>
> Background:
>
> The italian-cars and bmw mailing lists are now more than 5 years old;
> membership in the italian cars list is over 300 and membership in the
> bmw list is over 600. Both lists have heavy traffic, and have more
> than proven adequate demand. The orientation of both groups is
> presently towards owners who take a serious interest in maintaining
> their own vehicles.
>
> The plan is to provide newsgroups which will be bidirectionally
> gatewayed to digested versions of the mailing lists. This will
> reduce the load on the mailing lists while at the same time providing
> access for those who do not receive news.
>
> This RFD is being sent to news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
> rec.autos.misc, rec.autos.driving, rec.autos.sport, rec.autos.tech,
> and rec.autos.vw This (and any subsequent) RFD and the Call for Votes
> will also be sent to the bmw and italian-cars mailing lists, as this
> proposal would have a significant impact on the future of those two lists.
>
> Followups are directed to news.groups, and any subsequent discussion
> should take place there.
>
> Thank You,
> Richard Welty )
> administrator, italian-cars and bmw mailing lists
> --
> richard welty 518-393-7228
> ``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of
> a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith
>
> From Tue Dec 13 12:18:49 1994
> Path: uunet!bounce-back
> From: (richard welty)
> Newsgroups:
> news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.autos.misc ,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport.misc,rec.autos. tech
> Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.autos.makers.bmw
> Followup-To: news.groups
> Date: 13 Dec 1994 10:58:44 -0500
> Organization: CMA Consulting, Balltown Road, Schenectady, NY USA
> Lines: 52
> Sender:
> Approved:
> Message-ID: >
> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
> Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:6063 news.groups:126771
> rec.autos.misc:28477 rec.autos.driving:44497 rec.autos.sport.misc:1006
> rec.autos.tech:105917
>
> Request for Discussion
>
> Unmoderated group:
>
> rec.autos.makers.bmw
>
> Charters:
>
> rec.autos.makers.bmw is for discussion of cars made by BMW AG.
> Discussion of other relevant marques such as Bristol, Borgward
> and EMW, and autos using BMW engines such as certain Brabhams
> would also be considered reasonable.
>
> Names:
>
> The original intent was to create rec.autos.bmw; it was recommended
> to me by the members of the "group advice" list that the sub-hierarchy
> rec.autos.makers be used instead. This concept, which appeared at
> the time of the first RFD, was controversial at first, but as two other
> groups have now been created under the rec.autos.makers hierarchy, it
> is clear that this group should also go there.
>
> Background:
>
> The bmw mailing list is now more than 5 years old; membership in the
> bmw list is over 600. Traffic is heavy, and and demand is more than
> adequately proven. The orientation of the group is presently towards
> owners who take a serious interest in maintaining their own vehicles.
>
> The plan is to provide a newsgroup which will be bidirectionally
> gatewayed to a digested version of the mailing list. This will
> reduce the load on the mailing list while at the same time providing
> access for those who do not receive news. This gateway will be
> provisonal; if conditions render the gateway untenable, it will be
> dropped.
>
> This RFD is being sent to news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
> rec.autos.misc, rec.autos.driving, rec.autos.sport.misc, and
> rec.autos.tech. This (and any subsequent) RFD and the Call for
> Votes will also be sent to the bmw mailing list, as this
> proposal would have a significant impact on the future of that list.
>
> Followups are directed to news.groups, and any subsequent discussion
> should take place there.
>
> Thank You,
> Richard Welty )
> administrator, bmw mailing list
> --
> richard welty 518-393-7228
> ``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of
> a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith
>
>
> From Thu May 30 18:29:29 1996
> Path: uunet!bounce-back
> From: (K.C. Komosky)
> Newsgroups:
> news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.autos.misc ,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.tech,de.rec.motorrad, rec.motorcycles
> Subject: RFD: rec.autos.makers.bmw
> Followup-To: news.groups
> Date: 30 May 1996 22:29:49 -0000
> Organization: .
> Lines: 118
> Sender:
> Approved:
> Message-ID: >
> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
> Archive-Name: rec.autos.makers.bmw
> Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8751 news.groups:208708
> rec.autos.misc:102713 rec.autos.driving:131881 rec.autos.tech:193188
> de.rec.motorrad:42634 rec.motorcycles:337262
>
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> unmoderated group rec.autos.makers.bmw
>
> This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for a new newsgroup
> named rec.autos.makers.bmw. This is not a Call For Votes (CFV); you
> cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.
>
> Newsgroup lines:
> rec.autos.makers.bmw BMW vehicles.
>
> RATIONALE: rec.autos.makers.bmw
>
> BMW is a well-known international luxury automobile manufacturer. BMWs
> are to many automobile enthusiasts "The Ultimate Driving Machines"
>
> Currently the BMW Digest mailing list
> > has well over 1000 subscribers,
> with approximately 4 to 5 large digests sent per day. The large
> traffic this list generates has caused many long-time members to
> unsubscribe, due to the inability to keep up.
>
> This has led to calls for the creation of a Usenet newsgroup. After a
> simple post to the BMW digest regarding the creation of a newsgroup,
> the proponent of this group received e-mails from 50 people interested
> in seeing the creation of a BMW newsgroup. This is from a group of
> people who, almost by definition, are pleased with the current BMW
> mailing list.
>
> In the existing newsgroups rec.autos.misc, and rec.autos.driving,
> there are several threads discussing BMWs. Contributors to these
> threads would benefit from having a single newsgroup to post
> to. However, the only existing BMW newsgroup is the very poorly
> propogated wiz.bmw group, which gets less than one message per day.
>
> In discussions on the BMW mailing list, it became apparent that many
> subscribers did not want to see any changes to the existing list. Many
> have no Usenet access, or prefer not to access Usenet groups for
> various reasons. As well, many do not want to see the creation of a
> gated newsgroup due to a perceived threat to the signal to noise
> ratio. As a result, this RFD does not propose any changes to the
> existing BMW digest.
>
> There should not be any threat of splitting traffic from the existing
> BMW mailing list. Many of those expressing interest in participating
> in a newsgroup want to do so in addition to, not instead of,
> participation in the BMW mailing list. As well, a newsgroup would
> attract new subscribers who are not currently members of the BMW
> mailing list.
>
> The name rec.autos.makers.bmw is fully in accordance with the existing
> rec.autos.makers.* hierarchy.
>
> CHARTER: rec.autos.makers.bmw
>
> rec.autos.makers.bmw will be a newsgroup for the discussion of BMW
> automobiles. Possible topics for discussion may include, but are not
> limited to:
>
> - the features of various BMW models
> - repairs/ modifications of BMWs
> - BMW Car Club issues
> - racing/ autocrossing BMWs
> - satisfaction/ dissatisfaction with BMW, or its various dealers
>
> Any commercial, or general interest notices, will be allowed as long
> as they are topical to BMWs, done in a respectful, low-key manner, and
> not repeated endlessly.
>
> Comparisons of BMWs to automobiles of other manufacturers will be
> unwelcome, and considered a waste of bandwidth. If an unbiased
> discussion of the merits of a BMW when compared to other cars is
> wanted, rec.autos.misc would be the most appropriate location. It is
> expected that participants in this group will be strongly biased in
> favour of BMWs, thus making the answer to any such comparison (such as
> "should I buy an Audi A4 or a BMW 328i") that would be given quite
> obvious.
>
> Discussions of BMW motorcycles, or of Rover Group vehicles, will be
> allowed, as they are manufactured by BMW . If discussions on these two
> topics start to generate significant traffic, more appropriate groups
> may need to be created.
>
> Under no circumstances will binary posts be allowed.
>
> END CHARTER.
>
> PROCEDU
>
> This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
> of the process, any potential problems with the prooposed newsgroup
> should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continure
> for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
> proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
> Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker. Please do not
> attempt to vote until this happens.
>
> All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
>
> This RFD attempts to comply fully with tthe Usenet newsgroup creation
> guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
> to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal." Please refer to these
> documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
> questions about the process.
>
> DISTRIBUTION:
>
> This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
>
> news.announce.newsgroups, news.groups, rec.autos.misc,
> rec.autos.driving, rec.autos.tech, de.rec.motorrad, rec.motorcycles
>
> and the following mailing list:
>
> (BMW automobiles)
> subscribe via:
> with the word subscribe in the body of the message
>
> Proponent: K.C. Komosky
>
> From Mon Jul 29 20:30:44 1996
> Path: uunet!bounce-back
> From: (Dave Cornejo)
> Newsgroups:
> news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,de.rec.motorra d,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.misc,rec.autos.tech, rec.motorcycles
> Subject: CFV: rec.autos.makers.bmw
> Followup-To: poster
> Date: 30 Jul 1996 00:30:27 -0000
> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
> Lines: 153
> Sender:
> Approved:
> Expires: 21 Aug 1996 00:00:00 GMT
> Message-ID: >
> Reply-To:
> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
> Archive-Name: rec.autos.makers.bmw
> Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8993 news.groups:222026
> de.rec.motorrad:50350 rec.autos.driving:140417 rec.autos.misc:110355
> rec.autos.tech:204305 rec.motorcycles:356744
>
> FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
> unmoderated group rec.autos.makers.bmw
>
> Newsgroups line:
> rec.autos.makers.bmw BMW vehicles.
>
> Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 20 Aug 1996.
>
> This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
> about this proposal should be directed to the proponent.
>
> Proponent: K.C. Komosky >
> Votetaker: Dave Cornejo >
>
>
> RATIONALE: rec.autos.makers.bmw
>
> BMW is a well-known international luxury automobile manufacturer. BMWs
> are to many automobile enthusiasts "The Ultimate Driving Machines"
>
> Currently the BMW Digest mailing list >
> has well over 1000 subscribers, with approximately 4 to 5 large digests
> sent per day. The large traffic this list generates has caused many
> long-time members to unsubscribe, due to the inability to keep up.
>
> This has led to calls for the creation of a Usenet newsgroup. After a
> simple post to the BMW digest regarding the creation of a newsgroup, the
> proponent of this group received e-mails from 50 people interested in
> seeing the creation of a BMW newsgroup. This is from a group of people
> who, almost by definition, are pleased with the current BMW mailing list.
>
> In the existing newsgroups rec.autos.misc, and rec.autos.driving, there
> are several threads discussing BMWs. Contributors to these threads would
> benefit from having a single newsgroup to post to. However, the only
> existing BMW newsgroup is the very poorly propogated wiz.bmw group, which
> gets less than one message per day.
>
> In discussions on the BMW mailing list, it became apparent that many
> subscribers did not want to see any changes to the existing list. Many
> have no Usenet access, or prefer not to access Usenet groups for various
> reasons. As well, many do not want to see the creation of a gated
> newsgroup due to a perceived threat to the signal to noise ratio. As a
> result, this RFD does not propose any changes to the existing BMW digest.
>
> There should not be any threat of splitting traffic from the existing BMW
> mailing list. Many of those expressing interest in participating in a
> newsgroup want to do so in addition to, not instead of, participation in
> the BMW mailing list. As well, a newsgroup would attract new subscribers
> who are not currently members of the BMW mailing list.
>
> The name rec.autos.makers.bmw is fully in accordance with the existing
> rec.autos.makers.* hierarchy.
>
>
> CHARTER: rec.autos.makers.bmw
>
> rec.autos.makers.bmw will be a newsgroup for the discussion of BMW
> automobiles. Possible topics for discussion may include, but are not
> limited to:
>
> - the features of various BMW models
> - repairs/ modifications of BMWs
> - BMW Car Club issues
> - racing/ autocrossing BMWs
> - satisfaction/ dissatisfaction with BMW, or its various dealers
>
> Any commercial, or general interest notices, will be allowed as long as
> they are topical to BMWs, done in a respectful, low-key manner, and not
> repeated endlessly.
>
> Comparisons of BMWs to automobiles of other manufacturers will be
> unwelcome, and considered a waste of bandwidth. If an unbiased discussion
> of the merits of a BMW when compared to other cars is wanted,
> rec.autos.misc would be the most appropriate location. It is expected
> that participants in this group will be strongly biased in favour of
> BMWs, thus making the answer to any such comparison (such as "should I
> buy an Audi A4 or a BMW 328i") that would be given quite obvious.
>
> Discussions of BMW motorcycles, or of Rover Group vehicles, will be
> allowed, as they are manufactured by BMW . If discussions on these two
> topics start to generate significant traffic, more appropriate groups may
> need to be created.
>
> Under no circumstances will binary posts be allowed.
>
> END CHARTER.
>
>
> HOW TO VOTE
>
> Send E-MAIL to:
>
> Your e-mail message should contain one and only one of the
> following statements:
>
> I vote YES on rec.autos.makers.bmw
> I vote NO on rec.autos.makers.bmw
>
> You may also vote ABSTAIN or CANCEL; these are not counted as
> votes and don't affect the vote count.
>
> Anything else will be rejected by the automatic vote counting
> program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots
> with a personal acknowledgment by mail - if you do not receive
> one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to
> make sure your vote is registered correctly.
>
> If you later change your mind you may vote again from the same
> email address; only your last valid vote will count.
>
>
> VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:
>
> Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote.
> Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.
> Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this includes
> votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms.
>
> Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions will
> mean that your vote does not get counted. Duplicate votes are
> resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes
> of all voters will be published in the final voting results post.
>
> The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
> persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from
> disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not
> redistribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV
> as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or
> otherwise edited copies of this CFV will result in those votes being
> cancelled. When in doubt, ask the votetaker.
>
> Common errors include quoting the entire article and sending your vote
> to the vote-takers personal address. Either of these two could result
> in your vote not being counted.
>
>
> DISTRIBUTION:
>
> This CFV has been cross-posted to:
>
> de.rec.motorrad
> rec.autos.driving
> rec.autos.misc
> rec.autos.tech
> rec.motorcycles
>
> Pointers to the CFV will be posted in these newsgroups:
>
> wiz.bmw
>
> Pointers to the CFV will be sent to these mailing lists:
>
> BMW-digest
>
> From Fri Aug 9 01:39:17 1996
> Path: uunet!bounce-back
> From: (Dave Cornejo)
> Newsgroups:
> news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,de.rec.motorra d,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.misc,rec.autos.tech, rec.motorcycles
> Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.autos.makers.bmw
> Supersedes: >
> Followup-To: poster
> Date: 9 Aug 1996 05:39:07 -0000
> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
> Lines: 153
> Sender:
> Approved:
> Expires: 21 Aug 1996 00:00:00 GMT
> Message-ID: >
> References: >
> Reply-To:
> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net
> Archive-Name: rec.autos.makers.bmw
> Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9015 news.groups:224873
> de.rec.motorrad:52183 rec.autos.driving:142408 rec.autos.misc:111855
> rec.autos.tech:206478 rec.motorcycles:360848
>
> LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
> unmoderated group rec.autos.makers.bmw
>
> Newsgroups line:
> rec.autos.makers.bmw BMW vehicles.
>
> Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 20 Aug 1996.
>
> This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
> about this proposal should be directed to the proponent.
>
> Proponent: K.C. Komosky >
> Votetaker: Dave Cornejo >
>
>
> RATIONALE: rec.autos.makers.bmw
>
> BMW is a well-known international luxury automobile manufacturer. BMWs
> are to many automobile enthusiasts "The Ultimate Driving Machines"
>
> Currently the BMW Digest mailing list >
> has well over 1000 subscribers, with approximately 4 to 5 large digests
> sent per day. The large traffic this list generates has caused many
> long-time members to unsubscribe, due to the inability to keep up.
>
> This has led to calls for the creation of a Usenet newsgroup. After a
> simple post to the BMW digest regarding the creation of a newsgroup, the
> proponent of this group received e-mails from 50 people interested in
> seeing the creation of a BMW newsgroup. This is from a group of people
> who, almost by definition, are pleased with the current BMW mailing list.
>
> In the existing newsgroups rec.autos.misc, and rec.autos.driving, there
> are several threads discussing BMWs. Contributors to these threads would
> benefit from having a single newsgroup to post to. However, the only
> existing BMW newsgroup is the very poorly propogated wiz.bmw group, which
> gets less than one message per day.
>
> In discussions on the BMW mailing list, it became apparent that many
> subscribers did not want to see any changes to the existing list. Many
> have no Usenet access, or prefer not to access Usenet groups for various
> reasons. As well, many do not want to see the creation of a gated
> newsgroup due to a perceived threat to the signal to noise ratio. As a
> result, this RFD does not propose any changes to the existing BMW digest.
>
> There should not be any threat of splitting traffic from the existing BMW
> mailing list. Many of those expressing interest in participating in a
> newsgroup want to do so in addition to, not instead of, participation in
> the BMW mailing list. As well, a newsgroup would attract new subscribers
> who are not currently members of the BMW mailing list.
>
> The name rec.autos.makers.bmw is fully in accordance with the existing
> rec.autos.makers.* hierarchy.
>
>
> CHARTER: rec.autos.makers.bmw
>
> rec.autos.makers.bmw will be a newsgroup for the discussion of BMW
> automobiles. Possible topics for discussion may include, but are not
> limited to:
>
> - the features of various BMW models
> - repairs/ modifications of BMWs
> - BMW Car Club issues
> - racing/ autocrossing BMWs
> - satisfaction/ dissatisfaction with BMW, or its various dealers
>
> Any commercial, or general interest notices, will be allowed as long as
> they are topical to BMWs, done in a respectful, low-key manner, and not
> repeated endlessly.
>
> Comparisons of BMWs to automobiles of other manufacturers will be
> unwelcome, and considered a waste of bandwidth. If an unbiased discussion
> of the merits of a BMW when compared to other cars is wanted,
> rec.autos.misc would be the most appropriate location. It is expected
> that participants in this group will be strongly biased in favour of
> BMWs, thus making the answer to any such comparison (such as "should I
> buy an Audi A4 or a BMW 328i") that would be given quite obvious.
>
> Discussions of BMW motorcycles, or of Rover Group vehicles, will be
> allowed, as they are manufactured by BMW . If discussions on these two
> topics start to generate significant traffic, more appropriate groups may
> need to be created.
>
> Under no circumstances will binary posts be allowed.
>
> END CHARTER.
>
>
> HOW TO VOTE
>
> Send E-MAIL to:
>
> Your e-mail message should contain one and only one of the
> following statements:
>
> I vote YES on rec.autos.makers.bmw
> I vote NO on rec.autos.makers.bmw
>
> You may also vote ABSTAIN or CANCEL; these are not counted as
> votes and don't affect the vote count.
>
> Anything else will be rejected by the automatic vote counting
> program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots
> with a personal acknowledgment by mail - if you do not receive
> one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to
> make sure your vote is registered correctly.
>
> If you later change your mind you may vote again from the same
> email address; only your last valid vote will count.
>
>
> VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:
>
> Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote.
> Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker.
> Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this includes
> votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms.
>
> Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions will
> mean that your vote does not get counted. Duplicate votes are
> resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes
> of all voters will be published in the final voting results post.
>
> The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
> persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from
> disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not
> redistribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV
> as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or
> otherwise edited copies of this CFV will result in those votes being
> cancelled. When in doubt, ask the votetaker.
>
> Common errors include quoting the entire article and sending your vote
> to the vote-takers personal address. Either of these two could result
> in your vote not being counted.
>
>
> DISTRIBUTION:
>
> This CFV has been cross-posted to:
>
> de.rec.motorrad
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> From Wed Aug 21 22:59:47 1996
> Path: uunet!bounce-back
> From: (Dave Cornejo)
> Newsgroups:
> news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,de.rec.motorra d,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.misc,rec.autos.tech, rec.motorcycles
> Subject: RESULT: rec.autos.makers.bmw fails 91:27
> Supersedes: >
> Followup-To: news.groups
> Date: 21 Aug 1996 22:59:37 -0400
> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
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> Archive-Name: rec.autos.makers.bmw
> Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9083 news.groups:227567
> de.rec.motorrad:53953 rec.autos.driving:145106 rec.autos.misc:114119
> rec.autos.tech:209084 rec.motorcycles:365068
>
> RESULT
> unmoderated group rec.autos.makers.bmw fails 91:27
>
> There were 91 YES votes and 27 NO votes, for a total of 118 valid
> votes. There were 2 invalid ballots.
>
> For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid
> (YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes
> than NO votes.
>
> A five day discussion period follows this announcement. Unless
> serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group
> may not be voted on again for six months.
>
> Newsgroups line:
> rec.autos.makers.bmw BMW vehicles.
>
> Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 20 Aug 1996.
>
> This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
> about this proposal should be directed to the proponent.
>
> Proponent: K.C. Komosky >
> Votetaker: Dave Cornejo >
>
>
> RATIONALE: rec.autos.makers.bmw
>
> BMW is a well-known international luxury automobile manufacturer. BMWs
> are to many automobile enthusiasts "The Ultimate Driving Machines"
>
> Currently the BMW Digest mailing list >
> has well over 1000 subscribers, with approximately 4 to 5 large digests
> sent per day. The large traffic this list generates has caused many
> long-time members to unsubscribe, due to the inability to keep up.
>
> This has led to calls for the creation of a Usenet newsgroup. After a
> simple post to the BMW digest regarding the creation of a newsgroup, the
> proponent of this group received e-mails from 50 people interested in
> seeing the creation of a BMW newsgroup. This is from a group of people
> who, almost by definition, are pleased with the current BMW mailing list.
>
> In the existing newsgroups rec.autos.misc, and rec.autos.driving, there
> are several threads discussing BMWs. Contributors to these threads would
> benefit from having a single newsgroup to post to. However, the only
> existing BMW newsgroup is the very poorly propogated wiz.bmw group, which
> gets less than one message per day.
>
> In discussions on the BMW mailing list, it became apparent that many
> subscribers did not want to see any changes to the existing list. Many
> have no Usenet access, or prefer not to access Usenet groups for various
> reasons. As well, many do not want to see the creation of a gated
> newsgroup due to a perceived threat to the signal to noise ratio. As a
> result, this RFD does not propose any changes to the existing BMW digest.
>
> There should not be any threat of splitting traffic from the existing BMW
> mailing list. Many of those expressing interest in participating in a
> newsgroup want to do so in addition to, not instead of, participation in
> the BMW mailing list. As well, a newsgroup would attract new subscribers
> who are not currently members of the BMW mailing list.
>
> The name rec.autos.makers.bmw is fully in accordance with the existing
> rec.autos.makers.* hierarchy.
>
>
> CHARTER: rec.autos.makers.bmw
>
> rec.autos.makers.bmw will be a newsgroup for the discussion of BMW
> automobiles. Possible topics for discussion may include, but are not
> limited to:
>
> - the features of various BMW models
> - repairs/ modifications of BMWs
> - BMW Car Club issues
> - racing/ autocrossing BMWs
> - satisfaction/ dissatisfaction with BMW, or its various dealers
>
> Any commercial, or general interest notices, will be allowed as long as
> they are topical to BMWs, done in a respectful, low-key manner, and not
> repeated endlessly.
>
> Comparisons of BMWs to automobiles of other manufacturers will be
> unwelcome, and considered a waste of bandwidth. If an unbiased discussion
> of the merits of a BMW when compared to other cars is wanted,
> rec.autos.misc would be the most appropriate location. It is expected
> that participants in this group will be strongly biased in favour of
> BMWs, thus making the answer to any such comparison (such as "should I
> buy an Audi A4 or a BMW 328i") that would be given quite obvious.
>
> Discussions of BMW motorcycles, or of Rover Group vehicles, will be
> allowed, as they are manufactured by BMW . If discussions on these two
> topics start to generate significant traffic, more appropriate groups may
> need to be created.
>
> Under no circumstances will binary posts be allowed.
>
> END CHARTER.
>
>
> DISTRIBUTION:
>
> This CFV has been cross-posted to:
>
> de.rec.motorrad
> rec.autos.driving
> rec.autos.misc
> rec.autos.tech
> rec.motorcycles
>
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>
> rec.autos.makers.bmw Final Voter list
>
> Voted YES
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> brent
> morton
>
> Harris
> Ma
> Brabant, Mathieu:
> SITT
> rajesh (r.)
> kirpalani
> reji (r.)
> varghese
> Dr.Valeri
> Smelyansky
>
> NG_F
> Garson
> K
> Sam
> Marc
> Naef
> Afzal
> Ballim
>
>
> DFulton169
> Lee
> Berg
>
>
> Mike
> Hayashi
>
> Donal
> Roberto A.
> Schafer
>
> Clayton
> Yee
> Bill
> Bechtold
> Kenton A.
> Hoover
> Ned
> Fleming
> Christian
> Chapman
> Peter
> WILSON
> Ulrich
> Breit
> Dr.Dimitri Vulis
> KOTM
> John
> Joseph
> Joseph Zietz
> (8-295-5886)
> Terry, Bill
> (William
> B)
> David A
> Mills
> Huimin
> Tsai
>
> Paxil
> Timothy
> Kennedy
>
> Peter
> Ta
> Harter G.
> Ryan
> Ronnie
> Grant
> Tong
> G
> Yan
> Kim
> DeVaughn
> Aniruddha
> Ghosh
> James
> Fullerton
>
> Salvatore
> Denaro
> Frank
> Gerratana
> Bruce A
> Bufalini
> Lee
> Walton
> Stan & Joyce
> Toenjes
>
> Jane
> Woo
> Art
> Campbell
> David W.
> Webb
>
> Reinhold
> Malik
> Manuel
> Thierschmidt
> Mathias
> Klotz
> Andreas
> Ahrens
> Claus
> Weber
> Roland
> Wirth
> Christoph Weber-Fahr
> [KIT]
> Asbjorn
> Hojmark
> Hans-Henrik T.
> Ohlsen
> David W.
> Crawford
> C
> George
> Yu
> Christopher Lodge
> Stamper
> Jeffrey M.
> Odom
> Alvin
> Foreman
> Jeff
> Quinton
> Richard H.
> Miller
> Morison I.
> Chen
> Thomas D Gasser (Thomas D.
> Gasser)
> Vincent
> Archer
> Jawad A.
> Malik
> rohit
> saran
> Ken
> March
> Joseph
> Roberts
> Mark T.
> Jaggers
> Jon
> Wright
> Brice D.
> Hornback
> Mustafa Soysal
> MS57
> Eric
> Adair
>
> PHREdd
> Dan "Shag"
> Birchall
> Steve
> Cutchen
>
> mfisher
> Eric-Jan
> Noomen
> Andrew
> Ruthven
> Anders
> Askenryd
> Jan
> Ekl=?iso-8859-1?Q?=F6f
> ?=
> Bengt
> Larsson
> Kenth
> =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=F6ransson?=
> Michael
> Parry
> Dave
> Greaves
>
> Voted NO
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Roger
> Pfister
> Dwight
> Brown
> Ronnie
> B.
> Kon
> Karl
> Golub
> Don
> Ballard
> Martin H.
> Booda
> Larry
> Smith
> Ken
> Nelson
> Jerry
> Gardner
>
> Dave
> Harman
> David
> Moore
> Andy
> Finkenstadt
> Tom
> Gentry
> Andreas
> Rieger
> Erik
> Petersen
> Michael
> Loomis
>
> Bob
> Ito
> Patrick J.
> LoPresti
> Phillip
> Dang
> Ollivier
> Robert
> J. Porter
> Clark
> Olaf
> Klein
> Michiel
> Wijers
> Todd C.
> Lawson
>
> Kelvin
> Tan
> Peter
> Miller
>
> Abstained
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> No abstentions
>
> Invalid ballots
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Steve C.
> Young
> ! No vote statement in message
> Tony
> Esporma
> ! No vote statement in message
>
>
>