__ Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video <=should Diabetics be allowed to Drive? __

Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
lowering medications and those around them if they are operating heavy
machinery.

The brain absolutely requires glucose to function normally.

Smarter to eat less, down to the right amount to possibly cure the
type-2 diabetes:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

A simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow


Reality_Check© wrote:
> Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video
>
> Watch the Video:
> http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/MyFox/...loca le=EN-US
>
>
> Wednesday, April 02, 2008
>
> A Canadian truck driver drove into oncoming traffic for 20 minutes at high
> speeds before dying in a crash when the truck went over an abutment, as seen
> on eyewitness video obtained by FOX News.
>
> The truck driver had a medical condition that may have contributed to the
> incident, United Press International reported.
> In the dramatic video footage of the incident, the truck hits a concrete
> guard rail on an exit ramp near Edmonton, Alberta, becoming airborne and
> falling onto railroad tracks, before exploding.
>
> The truck clipped several cars and numerous others were forced into a ditch
> along the highway, but no one other than the truck's driver was hurt,
> according to the UPI report.
>
> The driver, 25-year-old Mark Santos, was an insulin-dependent diabetic, his
> brother Jordan Santos told the UPI.
> A witness of Monday's afternoon crash described the driver to reporters as
> looking "mad," "angry" and "zoned out."
> "He was basically slumped down, head down, bobbing around, arms hanging down
> at his side," Dave Hybeck told FOX News.
>
> The driver's brother said he's been around his brother when he's gone into
> hypoglycemia and Santos would be confused and sleepy.
>
> "You don't know what was going on inside of the cab of that vehicle; you don't
> know what that person was thinking, so all of those pieces are what our
> officers need to bring this to a conclusion," Edmonton Police spokesperson
> Karen Carlson told FOX News.
>
> Autopsy results were expected later in the week.

_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
> > lowering medications and those around them if they are operating heavy
> > machinery.
>
> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?

Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
incapacitating events.

The surest way of preventing hypoglycemia would be by curing the
type-2 diabetes by losing the black fat (VAT). The smartest way of
losing the VAT is by eating less, down to the right amount:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

Again, a simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

> >
> > The brain absolutely requires glucose to function normally.
>
> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>
>
> > Smarter to eat less, down to the right amount to possibly cure the
> > type-2 diabetes:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>
> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>
> >
> > A simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
>
> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>
> >
> > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
> >
> > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
>
> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>
> >
> > Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
> Your pathetic god hates diabetics.
>
> >
> > Andrew <><
>
>
>
> >
> > Reality_Check� wrote:
> >> Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video
> >>
> >> Watch the Video:
> >> http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/MyFox/...loca le=EN-US
> >>
> >>
> >> Wednesday, April 02, 2008
> >>
> >> A Canadian truck driver drove into oncoming traffic for 20 minutes
> >> at high speeds before dying in a crash when the truck went over an
> >> abutment, as seen on eyewitness video obtained by FOX News.
> >>
> >> The truck driver had a medical condition that may have contributed
> >> to the incident, United Press International reported.
> >> In the dramatic video footage of the incident, the truck hits a
> >> concrete guard rail on an exit ramp near Edmonton, Alberta, becoming
> >> airborne and falling onto railroad tracks, before exploding.
> >>
> >> The truck clipped several cars and numerous others were forced into
> >> a ditch along the highway, but no one other than the truck's driver
> >> was hurt, according to the UPI report.
> >>
> >> The driver, 25-year-old Mark Santos, was an insulin-dependent
> >> diabetic, his brother Jordan Santos told the UPI.
> >> A witness of Monday's afternoon crash described the driver to
> >> reporters as looking "mad," "angry" and "zoned out."
> >> "He was basically slumped down, head down, bobbing around, arms
> >> hanging down at his side," Dave Hybeck told FOX News.
> >>
> >> The driver's brother said he's been around his brother when he's
> >> gone into hypoglycemia and Santos would be confused and sleepy.
> >>
> >> "You don't know what was going on inside of the cab of that vehicle;
> >> you don't know what that person was thinking, so all of those pieces
> >> are what our officers need to bring this to a conclusion," Edmonton
> >> Police spokesperson Karen Carlson told FOX News.
> >>
> >> Autopsy results were expected later in the week.

Scott in SoCal wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
> >> > lowering medications and those around them if they are operating heavy
> >> > machinery.
> >>
> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
> >
> >Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
> >license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
> >his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
> >incapacitating events.
>
> So let's say the guy had developed cataracts instead of diabetes;
> would you also want to wait until he had "frequent episodes" before
> you took his license away?

The visual impairment from cataracts would be more than frequent in
that it would be constant. Such a person would not pass the required
visual acuity screening to renew their license in the first place.

Truth is simple.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

> So let's say the guy had developed cataracts instead of diabetes;
> would you also want to wait until he had "frequent episodes" before
> you took his license away?
>
> What if the diabetic kills someone with his very first "episode?" Why
> do we have to wait for something bad to happen before we yank
> someone's license?

You sould like Aunt Judy. That argument could be made about anything,
including your Vette.

Where do you draw the line? Seemlingly perfectly healthy 30 year olds
have been known to have strokes or die from an unknown heart problem.
Everyone is at risk, it's just a matter of the risk amount. I have
known people for 15 years that I had no clue had diabetes.

"Scott in SoCal" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:26:31 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> > wrote:
>
>>Scott in SoCal wrote:
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> >_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
>>> >> > lowering medications and those around them if they are operating
>>> >> > heavy
>>> >> > machinery.
>>> >>
>>> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>>> >
>>> >Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
>>> >license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
>>> >his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
>>> >incapacitating events.
>>>
>>> So let's say the guy had developed cataracts instead of diabetes;
>>> would you also want to wait until he had "frequent episodes" before
>>> you took his license away?
>>
>>The visual impairment from cataracts would be more than frequent in
>>that it would be constant. Such a person would not pass the required
>>visual acuity screening to renew their license in the first place.
>
> But if they already have the license, they won't have to take a vision
> test for years. So this hypothetical driver would have plenty of
> opportunity to drive legally - at least until his "episodes" became
> "frequent."
>
>>Truth is simple.
>
> That's right. The simple truth is diabetics who can fall into
> hypoglycemic comas at unpredictable times should NOT be allowed to
> drive.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that many diabetics, especially if they're
the more common type 2, aren't likely to have any hypoglycemic comas.

Scott in SoCal wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >Scott in SoCal wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
> >> >> > lowering medications and those around them if they are operating heavy
> >> >> > machinery.
> >> >>
> >> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
> >> >
> >> >Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
> >> >license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
> >> >his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
> >> >incapacitating events.
> >>
> >> So let's say the guy had developed cataracts instead of diabetes;
> >> would you also want to wait until he had "frequent episodes" before
> >> you took his license away?
> >
> >The visual impairment from cataracts would be more than frequent in
> >that it would be constant. Such a person would not pass the required
> >visual acuity screening to renew their license in the first place.
>
> But if they already have the license, they won't have to take a vision
> test for years. So this hypothetical driver would have plenty of
> opportunity to drive legally...

Not in good conscience however.

> - at least until his "episodes" became
> "frequent."

Again, visual impairment from cataracts would be more than frequent
because this would be constant.

> >Truth is simple.
>
> That's right. The simple truth is diabetics who can fall into
> hypoglycemic comas at unpredictable times should NOT be allowed to
> drive.

That would be your opinion rather than truth as evident by your use of
the word "should."

Again, truth is simple.

It is possible for you to fall into a hypoglycemic coma at any moment
if GOD so wills it.

Therefore, by your own measure, your driver's license (if you have
one) should be revoked.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>> Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
>>> lowering medications and those around them if they are operating
>>> heavy machinery.
>>
>> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>
> Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
> license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
> his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
> incapacitating events.

And how many of these "episodes" does it take to cause a fatal accident?



>
> The surest way of preventing hypoglycemia would be by curing the
> type-2 diabetes by losing the black fat (VAT). The smartest way of
> losing the VAT is by eating less, down to the right amount:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>
> Again, a simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
>
> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
> Andrew <><
>
>>>
>>> The brain absolutely requires glucose to function normally.
>>
>> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>>
>>
>>> Smarter to eat less, down to the right amount to possibly cure the
>>> type-2 diabetes:
>>>
>>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>>
>> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>>
>>>
>>> A simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding:
>>>
>>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
>>
>> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>>
>>>
>>> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
>>>
>>> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
>>
>> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>>
>>>
>>> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>>
>> Your pathetic god hates diabetics.
>>
>>>
>>> Andrew <><
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Reality_Check? wrote:
>>>> Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video
>>>>
>>>> Watch the Video:
>>>> http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/MyFox/...loca le=EN-US
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wednesday, April 02, 2008
>>>>
>>>> A Canadian truck driver drove into oncoming traffic for 20 minutes
>>>> at high speeds before dying in a crash when the truck went over an
>>>> abutment, as seen on eyewitness video obtained by FOX News.
>>>>
>>>> The truck driver had a medical condition that may have contributed
>>>> to the incident, United Press International reported.
>>>> In the dramatic video footage of the incident, the truck hits a
>>>> concrete guard rail on an exit ramp near Edmonton, Alberta,
>>>> becoming airborne and falling onto railroad tracks, before
>>>> exploding.
>>>>
>>>> The truck clipped several cars and numerous others were forced into
>>>> a ditch along the highway, but no one other than the truck's driver
>>>> was hurt, according to the UPI report.
>>>>
>>>> The driver, 25-year-old Mark Santos, was an insulin-dependent
>>>> diabetic, his brother Jordan Santos told the UPI.
>>>> A witness of Monday's afternoon crash described the driver to
>>>> reporters as looking "mad," "angry" and "zoned out."
>>>> "He was basically slumped down, head down, bobbing around, arms
>>>> hanging down at his side," Dave Hybeck told FOX News.
>>>>
>>>> The driver's brother said he's been around his brother when he's
>>>> gone into hypoglycemia and Santos would be confused and sleepy.
>>>>
>>>> "You don't know what was going on inside of the cab of that
>>>> vehicle; you don't know what that person was thinking, so all of
>>>> those pieces are what our officers need to bring this to a
>>>> conclusion," Edmonton Police spokesperson Karen Carlson told FOX
>>>> News.
>>>>
>>>> Autopsy results were expected later in the week.

_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
> >>> lowering medications and those around them if they are operating
> >>> heavy machinery.
> >>
> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
> >
> > Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
> > license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
> > his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
> > incapacitating events.
>
> And how many of these "episodes" does it take to cause a fatal accident?

That would be knowable only by GOD.

"See you are well again. Now stop sinning or something worse may
happen to you." -- LORD Jesus Christ

Amen.

Thus, it remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

A simple parable given in hopes of promoting understanding:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

>
>
> >
> > The surest way of preventing hypoglycemia would be by curing the
> > type-2 diabetes by losing the black fat (VAT). The smartest way of
> > losing the VAT is by eating less, down to the right amount:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
> >
> > Again, a simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
> >
> > Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
> >
> > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
> >
> > Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
> >
> > Andrew <><
> >
> >>>
> >>> The brain absolutely requires glucose to function normally.
> >>
> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
> >>
> >>
> >>> Smarter to eat less, down to the right amount to possibly cure the
> >>> type-2 diabetes:
> >>>
> >>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
> >>
> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
> >>
> >>>
> >>> A simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding:
> >>>
> >>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
> >>
> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
> >>>
> >>> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
> >>
> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
> >>
> >> Your pathetic god hates diabetics.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Andrew <><
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Reality_Check? wrote:
> >>>> Driver Dies in Fiery Wrong-Way Truck Crash Caught on Video
> >>>>
> >>>> Watch the Video:
> >>>> http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/MyFox/...loca le=EN-US
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Wednesday, April 02, 2008
> >>>>
> >>>> A Canadian truck driver drove into oncoming traffic for 20 minutes
> >>>> at high speeds before dying in a crash when the truck went over an
> >>>> abutment, as seen on eyewitness video obtained by FOX News.
> >>>>
> >>>> The truck driver had a medical condition that may have contributed
> >>>> to the incident, United Press International reported.
> >>>> In the dramatic video footage of the incident, the truck hits a
> >>>> concrete guard rail on an exit ramp near Edmonton, Alberta,
> >>>> becoming airborne and falling onto railroad tracks, before
> >>>> exploding.
> >>>>
> >>>> The truck clipped several cars and numerous others were forced into
> >>>> a ditch along the highway, but no one other than the truck's driver
> >>>> was hurt, according to the UPI report.
> >>>>
> >>>> The driver, 25-year-old Mark Santos, was an insulin-dependent
> >>>> diabetic, his brother Jordan Santos told the UPI.
> >>>> A witness of Monday's afternoon crash described the driver to
> >>>> reporters as looking "mad," "angry" and "zoned out."
> >>>> "He was basically slumped down, head down, bobbing around, arms
> >>>> hanging down at his side," Dave Hybeck told FOX News.
> >>>>
> >>>> The driver's brother said he's been around his brother when he's
> >>>> gone into hypoglycemia and Santos would be confused and sleepy.
> >>>>
> >>>> "You don't know what was going on inside of the cab of that
> >>>> vehicle; you don't know what that person was thinking, so all of
> >>>> those pieces are what our officers need to bring this to a
> >>>> conclusion," Edmonton Police spokesperson Karen Carlson told FOX
> >>>> News.
> >>>>
> >>>> Autopsy results were expected later in the week.

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > wrote in message
...
>_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hypoglycemia is a very real danger both for diabetics on glucose-
>> >>> lowering medications and those around them if they are operating
>> >>> heavy machinery.
>> >>
>> >> So should Diabetics be allowed to Drive ?
>> >
>> > Yes. However, it would be reasonable to consider revoking a driver's
>> > license if a diabetic is having frequent hypoglycemic episodes because
>> > his/her diabetes is not optimally managed to prevent such
>> > incapacitating events.
>>
>> And how many of these "episodes" does it take to cause a fatal accident?
>
> That would be knowable only by GOD.

Which god ?

Scott in SoCal wrote:

> Yes, it is. People who are a danger to others on the roads due to
> their medical conditions should not be permitted to drive. That's the
> truth (not to mention the law). This guy's doctor should have filled
> out the Canadian equivalent of this form
>
> http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/ds/ds326.pdf
>
> and reported him to the DMV and gotten his license yanked. Notice that
> Diabetes is specifically listed on this form, indicating that, despite
> your OPINION, it is a cause for concern to the folks who actually give
> out driver's licenses.


a Semi driver in Alberta MUST have a complete physical exam every year
and get clearance from their Dr before they can renew their
license............ even if their Dr allows them, DMV can refuse the license

i drive a car........ i must have a Medical every year........ the DMV
is reported to every time i have an unconscious hypo or a severe hypo NO
MATTER if i'm driving or NOT....... the DMV has the final say on if i
will get my license (my last unconscious hypo was due to an insulin
change back in 1993)

are you telling me that *I* should not be driving?

i think you are 'over the top' in your opinion about 'potentially could
have a hypo'

ANYONE can have a heart attack at the wheel, and have been in 'good
health' up until that point......... i know........ my uncle died of a
heart attack at the wheel while doing 60MPH and 3 people in the car he
hit died

i guess under that logic YOU shouldn't be driving either?