Oil Consumption 2000 JGC V-8

Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500
miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever
having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

DougW wrote:
>
> Normal?!!
> 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road
> and 4000 miles to engine seizure.
>
> I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes.
>
> That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as
> a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal.
>
> Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil
> as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot.
>
> Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and
> even the sides.

I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and Bill
you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at least,
the 60s..

Doug, I don't question your knowledge of electronics diagnosis because I
accept your expertise in that specific field but had you read my entire post
rather than just the first line you would have noticed I mentioned the two
most possible mechanical problems and a low tech approach to each.

Had the OP a clogged CCV hose I assume he might have mentioned that his
airbox was full oil.

As far as a cloud of smoke I drove a Dodge that used quart every 1500 miles
for almost 100k and it never left a cloud behind or fouled the plugs
(although I used Bosch Platinums the whole time) I just added a quart at
1500 miles and changed it at 3000.

I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for $500
to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove it.


"L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500
> miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever
> having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> DougW wrote:
>>
>> Normal?!!
>> 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road
>> and 4000 miles to engine seizure.
>>
>> I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes.
>>
>> That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as
>> a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal.
>>
>> Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil
>> as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot.
>>
>> Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and
>> even the sides.

I used to have an engine in my Suburban that burned a quart every three
hundred miles. Aside from a few puffs at startup, there was little visible
smoke. I did have to install four one inch aftermarket breathers, to get
all the blowby out of the engine compartment. Motor oil is, after all, a
flammable substance, and it can burn just as well on the outside of your
engine as in the cylinders.

Wrt Billy's comment, "That being said I would be surprised at that amount of
wear in an engine where synthetic had been used since new, or seals damaged
under those conditions." I see you have bought into the snake oil claims.
Synthetic, if you believe all the propaganda, is more resistant to breakdown
and less likely to form gel and sludge when maintenance intervals are
abused. Those are its only benefits, really. It does not lubricate any
better than the correct API/SAE grade of dino oil when new, and does not
allow more or less wear than dino oil, as long as proper change intervals
are maintained.

Earle

"billy ray" > wrote in message
...
> I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and
Bill
> you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at least,
> the 60s..
>
> Doug, I don't question your knowledge of electronics diagnosis because I
> accept your expertise in that specific field but had you read my entire
post
> rather than just the first line you would have noticed I mentioned the two
> most possible mechanical problems and a low tech approach to each.
>
> Had the OP a clogged CCV hose I assume he might have mentioned that his
> airbox was full oil.
>
> As far as a cloud of smoke I drove a Dodge that used quart every 1500
miles
> for almost 100k and it never left a cloud behind or fouled the plugs
> (although I used Bosch Platinums the whole time) I just added a quart at
> 1500 miles and changed it at 3000.
>
> I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for
$500
> to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove it.
>
>
> "L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500
> > miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever
> > having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > http://www.billhughes.com/
> >
> > DougW wrote:
> >>
> >> Normal?!!
> >> 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road
> >> and 4000 miles to engine seizure.
> >>
> >> I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes.
> >>
> >> That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as
> >> a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal.
> >>
> >> Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil
> >> as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot.
> >>
> >> Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and
> >> even the sides.
>
>
>



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Bill,
No, I don't know this. I've never owned a car that use a quart in a
thousand miles. starting with a
'52 ford: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/52ford.jpg
'58 Ford http://www.billhughes.com/temp/lancers.jpg
'36 ford: http://www.billhughes.com/woody.jpg
'53 Olds: http://www.billhughes.com/53olds.jpg
'57 Fords: http://www.billhughes.com/57Ford.jpg
'57 Fords: http://www.billhughes.com/57bird.jpg
'58 Ford: http://www.billhughes.com/baumholder.jpg
'59 Ford: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/nancy.jpg
'68 Jeep: http://www.billhughes.com/68jeep.jpg
'72 Ford: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/72ford4x4.jpg
'78 Bronco http://www.billhughes.com/429ford.jpg
'78 Mustang http://www.billhughes.com/temp/78stangLarry.jpg after my Son
crunched
'46 Jeep: http://www.billhughes.com/46jeep.jpg
'83 Mustang: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/84stangJamie.jpg
'84 T-Bird http://www.billhughes.com/temp/84TBird.jpg
'89 T-Bird http://www.billhughes.com/temp/89TBird.jpg
None of these car used oil between changes.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O

billy ray wrote:
>
> I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and Bill
> you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at least,
> the 60s..
>
> I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for $500
> to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove it.

Bill,

You're begging to start a flame war, aren't you?

You'd really like it if someone said, "Sure Bill, all those cars burned oil,
but you just won't admit it." Well, I won't be the one. ;^)

Earle

"L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> Bill,
> No, I don't know this. I've never owned a car that use a quart in a
> thousand miles. starting with a
> '52 ford: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/52ford.jpg
> '58 Ford http://www.billhughes.com/temp/lancers.jpg
> '36 ford: http://www.billhughes.com/woody.jpg
> '53 Olds: http://www.billhughes.com/53olds.jpg
> '57 Fords: http://www.billhughes.com/57Ford.jpg
> '57 Fords: http://www.billhughes.com/57bird.jpg
> '58 Ford: http://www.billhughes.com/baumholder.jpg
> '59 Ford: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/nancy.jpg
> '68 Jeep: http://www.billhughes.com/68jeep.jpg
> '72 Ford: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/72ford4x4.jpg
> '78 Bronco http://www.billhughes.com/429ford.jpg
> '78 Mustang http://www.billhughes.com/temp/78stangLarry.jpg after my Son
> crunched
> '46 Jeep: http://www.billhughes.com/46jeep.jpg
> '83 Mustang: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/84stangJamie.jpg
> '84 T-Bird http://www.billhughes.com/temp/84TBird.jpg
> '89 T-Bird http://www.billhughes.com/temp/89TBird.jpg
> None of these car used oil between changes.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>
> billy ray wrote:
> >
> > I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and
Bill
> > you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at
least,
> > the 60s..
> >
> > I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for
$500
> > to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove
it.



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Earle,

I liked your wording, it is so precise and misleading someone might mistake
you for a shyster or Demoncratic Politician.

I will agree that synthetics have limited superiority to dino spit when the
dino oil is new, the weather always remains moderate, and the oil and filter
are changed promptly at 3k or less mile intervals.



"Earle Horton" > wrote in message
.. .
>I used to have an engine in my Suburban that burned a quart every three
> hundred miles. Aside from a few puffs at startup, there was little
> visible
> smoke. I did have to install four one inch aftermarket breathers, to get
> all the blowby out of the engine compartment. Motor oil is, after all, a
> flammable substance, and it can burn just as well on the outside of your
> engine as in the cylinders.
>
> Wrt Billy's comment, "That being said I would be surprised at that amount
> of
> wear in an engine where synthetic had been used since new, or seals
> damaged
> under those conditions." I see you have bought into the snake oil claims.
> Synthetic, if you believe all the propaganda, is more resistant to
> breakdown
> and less likely to form gel and sludge when maintenance intervals are
> abused. Those are its only benefits, really. It does not lubricate any
> better than the correct API/SAE grade of dino oil when new, and does not
> allow more or less wear than dino oil, as long as proper change intervals
> are maintained.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and
> Bill
>> you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at
>> least,
>> the 60s..
>>
>> Doug, I don't question your knowledge of electronics diagnosis because I
>> accept your expertise in that specific field but had you read my entire
> post
>> rather than just the first line you would have noticed I mentioned the
>> two
>> most possible mechanical problems and a low tech approach to each.
>>
>> Had the OP a clogged CCV hose I assume he might have mentioned that his
>> airbox was full oil.
>>
>> As far as a cloud of smoke I drove a Dodge that used quart every 1500
> miles
>> for almost 100k and it never left a cloud behind or fouled the plugs
>> (although I used Bosch Platinums the whole time) I just added a quart at
>> 1500 miles and changed it at 3000.
>>
>> I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for
> $500
>> to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove
>> it.
>>
>>
>> "L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500
>> > miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever
>> > having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas.
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > http://www.billhughes.com/
>> >
>> > DougW wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Normal?!!
>> >> 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road
>> >> and 4000 miles to engine seizure.
>> >>
>> >> I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between changes.
>> >>
>> >> That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as
>> >> a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal.
>> >>
>> >> Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil
>> >> as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot.
>> >>
>> >> Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and
>> >> even the sides.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
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>

Or any Republican office holder, "We're not safe yet, but we're safer than
we were when we started [bombing the **** out of stone age Arabs]".
"There's an old Texas saying, 'Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me
twice...uh...duh...won't get fooled again." Or dad, "Read my lips, no new
taxes".

Crank bearings and other internal engine parts ride on a film of liquid oil,
by hydrostatic pressure. Wear comes from failure of the oil to be liquid,
unsufficient flow and contaminants in the liquid. Synthetic sort of
addresses the first problem, but not the second two.

Earle

"billy ray" > wrote in message
...
> Earle,
>
> I liked your wording, it is so precise and misleading someone might
mistake
> you for a shyster or Demoncratic Politician.
>
> I will agree that synthetics have limited superiority to dino spit when
the
> dino oil is new, the weather always remains moderate, and the oil and
filter
> are changed promptly at 3k or less mile intervals.
>
>
>
> "Earle Horton" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >I used to have an engine in my Suburban that burned a quart every three
> > hundred miles. Aside from a few puffs at startup, there was little
> > visible
> > smoke. I did have to install four one inch aftermarket breathers, to
get
> > all the blowby out of the engine compartment. Motor oil is, after all,
a
> > flammable substance, and it can burn just as well on the outside of your
> > engine as in the cylinders.
> >
> > Wrt Billy's comment, "That being said I would be surprised at that
amount
> > of
> > wear in an engine where synthetic had been used since new, or seals
> > damaged
> > under those conditions." I see you have bought into the snake oil
claims.
> > Synthetic, if you believe all the propaganda, is more resistant to
> > breakdown
> > and less likely to form gel and sludge when maintenance intervals are
> > abused. Those are its only benefits, really. It does not lubricate any
> > better than the correct API/SAE grade of dino oil when new, and does not
> > allow more or less wear than dino oil, as long as proper change
intervals
> > are maintained.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "billy ray" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> I didn't say I thought it was normal.... the manufacturers do..... and
> > Bill
> >> you know this because this is the standard they have used since, at
> >> least,
> >> the 60s..
> >>
> >> Doug, I don't question your knowledge of electronics diagnosis because
I
> >> accept your expertise in that specific field but had you read my entire
> > post
> >> rather than just the first line you would have noticed I mentioned the
> >> two
> >> most possible mechanical problems and a low tech approach to each.
> >>
> >> Had the OP a clogged CCV hose I assume he might have mentioned that his
> >> airbox was full oil.
> >>
> >> As far as a cloud of smoke I drove a Dodge that used quart every 1500
> > miles
> >> for almost 100k and it never left a cloud behind or fouled the plugs
> >> (although I used Bosch Platinums the whole time) I just added a quart
at
> >> 1500 miles and changed it at 3000.
> >>
> >> I drove that Dodge Aries (K Car) 168,000 miles and sold it in 1996 for
> > $500
> >> to a former (minimum wage)coworker who, as of last summer, still drove
> >> it.
> >>
> >>
> >> "L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Ditto, I have never had to add between oil changes of about 3500
> >> > miles, on '78 Bronco 350,000, '89 T-bird 300,000 miles without ever
> >> > having come apart. Using Pennzoil 20/50, no additives oil, nor gas.
> >> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >> > http://www.billhughes.com/
> >> >
> >> > DougW wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Normal?!!
> >> >> 1 qt in 1000 miles would have a cloud following you down the road
> >> >> and 4000 miles to engine seizure.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have over 132,000 Miles and have near zero oil loss between
changes.
> >> >>
> >> >> That much oil loss indicates a problem. It may be as simple as
> >> >> a clogged CCV tube or a leaking ring/valve seal.
> >> >>
> >> >> Checking the plugs will tell you if a cyl is burning oil
> >> >> as the plug will be deeply covered or clogged with soot.
> >> >>
> >> >> Oil is known to leak from the rear of the I6 valve cover and
> >> >> even the sides.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
> >
>
>



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Hi Bill,
I would like to remind you that the word synthetic is not used like
synthetic rubber where the rubber is made from petroleum, rather than
any part of the rubber tree, as synthetic oil is refined from the same
petroleum products as you so called "dino" just one more cracker refine
step to basestocks.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> Earle,
>
> I liked your wording, it is so precise and misleading someone might mistake
> you for a shyster or Demoncratic Politician.
>
> I will agree that synthetics have limited superiority to dino spit when the
> dino oil is new, the weather always remains moderate, and the oil and filter
> are changed promptly at 3k or less mile intervals.

Well I will swear on a stack of Bibles the cars I listed were never
low enough to add oil between changes. There were other cars I drove
that did, one was the parents '59 Dodge panel 383" that the head oil
return holes had clogged with slug. And I never owned a VW or Corvair.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> You're begging to start a flame war, aren't you?
>
> You'd really like it if someone said, "Sure Bill, all those cars burned oil,
> but you just won't admit it." Well, I won't be the one. ;^)
>
> Earle

sludge, same thing.

>
> Well I will swear on a stack of Bibles the cars I listed were never
> low enough to add oil between changes. There were other cars I drove
> that did, one was the parents '59 Dodge panel 383" that the head oil
> return holes had clogged with slug. And I never owned a VW or Corvair.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/