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In article >, newsgroup says:

>I see people go straight from the left turn lane all the time. I
>attribute it to the stupid way the traffic signals are programmed here
>- quite often people who want to turn left get sick of waiting for the
>damned arrow to come on

If there *is* an arrow! Some of the busiest intersections in L.A. are
"Left turn yield on green"-only, and considering how many fools won't
pull into the intersection[1] and how slow the surface drivers tend
to move, you'll grow old waiting.

>and just drive straight through the intersection.

Yup, I'll check my mirror, and if there's no one coming and I don't
have to make that turn, give up and go straight.

-Kenny

[1] - (and this *is* a Cali thing- I've had folks on the other side-
and it's always the lame ones who pull thru lights at 3MPH- slow or
even stop when I pull up, even though I'm not in their oncoming path,
which implies to me that "pull in while waiting" just isn't done here.
--
Kenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles
H: 3630 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #138, L.A., CA 90034-6809 (310) 391-1898

Larry Scholnick wrote:

> I don't know whether this problem is peculiar to the Los Angeles area or whether it afflicts other
> congested metropolitan areas.
>

<SNIP>

> Is this nonsense happening in other areas or is it uniquely an L.A. phenomenon?
>
> I know it's not because the lanes are not well marked; this happens even when the lane configuration
> is marked with overhead signs that can be seen well in advance.
>
>
Checking in from Mass.
People do it here too. It's the worst near the malls..


--
Paul
'91 XL1200
'77 GL1000 (W.I.P.)
"I feel more like I do now than when I got here"

Larry Scholnick wrote:

> I don't know whether this problem is peculiar to the Los Angeles area or whether it afflicts other
> congested metropolitan areas.
>

<SNIP>

> Is this nonsense happening in other areas or is it uniquely an L.A. phenomenon?
>
> I know it's not because the lanes are not well marked; this happens even when the lane configuration
> is marked with overhead signs that can be seen well in advance.
>
>
Checking in from Mass.
People do it here too. It's the worst near the malls..


--
Paul
'91 XL1200
'77 GL1000 (W.I.P.)
"I feel more like I do now than when I got here"

In article >,
Justice Gustine > wrote:
>Creative stupidity. How about when drivers make up more left turn
>lanes?
>
>San Jose, s/b Senter at Capitol Expwy. One long left turn lane stacked
>up, drivers in 1st through lane treating it as a "2 lanes turn left".
>Scares the crap out of me when I think I can go from left turn lane to
>#3 lane on e/b Capitol.
>
>A little way down, at McLaughlin & Capitol there is a "2 lanes turn
>left" in the same direction and the same thing happens - 3 lanes turn
>left.

I usually get the opposite effect -- at an intersection where it *is*
marked "2 lanes turn left" and the driver in the #1 lane wants to
swing out into the #3 lane.

Seems to happen a lot at freeway offramps -- two left turn lanes
turning into a three-lane street. Guy in the #1 lane wants to swing
out into #2 because it's a tight turn (it wouldn't be, if he knew how
to turn properly, but that's a different peeve) and assumes I will
be happy in #3 -- except that #3 is "exit only" to the freeway onramp.

Gary Ansok
--
If you draw a "4" (one with an open top), then draw three more, and turn
them so that they are at right angle dodecapludecahedrons, then throw in a
"3" and an "18" -- well, that's kind of how that intersection is designed.
-- D.P. Roberts

In article >,
Justice Gustine > wrote:
>Creative stupidity. How about when drivers make up more left turn
>lanes?
>
>San Jose, s/b Senter at Capitol Expwy. One long left turn lane stacked
>up, drivers in 1st through lane treating it as a "2 lanes turn left".
>Scares the crap out of me when I think I can go from left turn lane to
>#3 lane on e/b Capitol.
>
>A little way down, at McLaughlin & Capitol there is a "2 lanes turn
>left" in the same direction and the same thing happens - 3 lanes turn
>left.

I usually get the opposite effect -- at an intersection where it *is*
marked "2 lanes turn left" and the driver in the #1 lane wants to
swing out into the #3 lane.

Seems to happen a lot at freeway offramps -- two left turn lanes
turning into a three-lane street. Guy in the #1 lane wants to swing
out into #2 because it's a tight turn (it wouldn't be, if he knew how
to turn properly, but that's a different peeve) and assumes I will
be happy in #3 -- except that #3 is "exit only" to the freeway onramp.

Gary Ansok
--
If you draw a "4" (one with an open top), then draw three more, and turn
them so that they are at right angle dodecapludecahedrons, then throw in a
"3" and an "18" -- well, that's kind of how that intersection is designed.
-- D.P. Roberts

(Gary E. Ansok) wrote:

>In article >,
>Justice Gustine > wrote:
>>Creative stupidity. How about when drivers make up more left turn
>>lanes?
>>
>>San Jose, s/b Senter at Capitol Expwy. One long left turn lane stacked
>>up, drivers in 1st through lane treating it as a "2 lanes turn left".
>>Scares the crap out of me when I think I can go from left turn lane to
>>#3 lane on e/b Capitol.
>>
>>A little way down, at McLaughlin & Capitol there is a "2 lanes turn
>>left" in the same direction and the same thing happens - 3 lanes turn
>>left.
>
>I usually get the opposite effect -- at an intersection where it *is*
>marked "2 lanes turn left" and the driver in the #1 lane wants to
>swing out into the #3 lane.
>
Those are all over Monterey. Aguajito at Del Monte. One block down at
Elestero & Del Monte. Another block south at Franklin & Elestero. The
two Del Monte "Twin Left Turn" lanes are on routes that tourists are
directed to for access to Cannery Row, most of those drivers are in
rented cars that they are not familiar with to begin with, then they
are sent down some poorly marked streets.

The Elestero to Del Monte turn is good for scaring the misguided
tourist AND the hippy protesters that gather at the park with their
upside down flags on weekends. A SUV with a loud horn, taking wild
evasive action scares the already confused tourist in the Avis
Cavalier AND the hippies that think the SUV is going to drive up on
the sidewalk.
--
"If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot 'em?"

(Gary E. Ansok) wrote:

>In article >,
>Justice Gustine > wrote:
>>Creative stupidity. How about when drivers make up more left turn
>>lanes?
>>
>>San Jose, s/b Senter at Capitol Expwy. One long left turn lane stacked
>>up, drivers in 1st through lane treating it as a "2 lanes turn left".
>>Scares the crap out of me when I think I can go from left turn lane to
>>#3 lane on e/b Capitol.
>>
>>A little way down, at McLaughlin & Capitol there is a "2 lanes turn
>>left" in the same direction and the same thing happens - 3 lanes turn
>>left.
>
>I usually get the opposite effect -- at an intersection where it *is*
>marked "2 lanes turn left" and the driver in the #1 lane wants to
>swing out into the #3 lane.
>
Those are all over Monterey. Aguajito at Del Monte. One block down at
Elestero & Del Monte. Another block south at Franklin & Elestero. The
two Del Monte "Twin Left Turn" lanes are on routes that tourists are
directed to for access to Cannery Row, most of those drivers are in
rented cars that they are not familiar with to begin with, then they
are sent down some poorly marked streets.

The Elestero to Del Monte turn is good for scaring the misguided
tourist AND the hippy protesters that gather at the park with their
upside down flags on weekends. A SUV with a loud horn, taking wild
evasive action scares the already confused tourist in the Avis
Cavalier AND the hippies that think the SUV is going to drive up on
the sidewalk.
--
"If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot 'em?"

In article .com>, wrote:

> The other day, I blocked a right-only lane runner, because I saw him in
> the mirror, and I knew he was going too fast to turn, so I closed the
> gap on the car ahead, rode three feet off and offset 2 feet left, and
> the guy had the nerve to honk when he ran out of road, and had to stop
> and wait until the end of the line passed by. This happens at that
> light all the time, even though the light stays green for quite some
> time.

I encounter this sort of behavior frequently.

All of what is being discussed here is due to the backwards teachings
that consideration is yielding to the actions of others. Thusly people
like this driver you encountered feel entitled to do whatever they
please. That you and everyone else should yield to them.

Often you would be considered rude for blocking his illegal, unsafe, and
actually rude move. I know I have been.

I wish more people would block. The more people that block the sooner
these people will get the message that their behavior is wrong and will
stop doing it because there is no reward.

In article .com>, wrote:

> The other day, I blocked a right-only lane runner, because I saw him in
> the mirror, and I knew he was going too fast to turn, so I closed the
> gap on the car ahead, rode three feet off and offset 2 feet left, and
> the guy had the nerve to honk when he ran out of road, and had to stop
> and wait until the end of the line passed by. This happens at that
> light all the time, even though the light stays green for quite some
> time.

I encounter this sort of behavior frequently.

All of what is being discussed here is due to the backwards teachings
that consideration is yielding to the actions of others. Thusly people
like this driver you encountered feel entitled to do whatever they
please. That you and everyone else should yield to them.

Often you would be considered rude for blocking his illegal, unsafe, and
actually rude move. I know I have been.

I wish more people would block. The more people that block the sooner
these people will get the message that their behavior is wrong and will
stop doing it because there is no reward.

In article >, C.H. wrote:

> And then the kicker: One guy honked at her and she stopped, still with the
> ass end of her Stupid Useless Vehicle across lane and a half and flips off
> the drivers that just saved her life.

I had one woman in MB SUV run a red light in front of me, and when I
honked while getting everything out of the 4 wheel drums of my '73 ford,
stopped, blocked my path and flipped me off with BOTH hands. She then
called the cops me because I wouldn't give in to her, but tried to get
around her massive vehicle. She dropped it when the cop told her she
would get a ticket for running the red.