Price of Diesel?

On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:39:23 -0700, SoK66 wrote:

>>> Does anyone have any ideas why diesel is selling at or above premium
>>> gasoline?
>>
>> It's price is tied to the demand for heating oil...If you live up north
>> where they use oil for heat, diesel will be more expensive. Down here in
>> FL it's usually cheaper than 87 octane.
>
> Last time I checked the National price of diesel was much higher than
> regular. Odd, since diesel is basically kerosene and much easier to refine
> than gas.

Well, Diesel is actually just a bit better than home heating oil. Yes, it
does come out lower on the cracker than gasoline, but its also lower than
kerosene. Diesel could be thought of as cleaner #2 fuel with less parafin
and impurities, but with the addition of some additives. For cold
climates, kerosene is blended to improve starting and flow characteristics.

Diesel costs more than gas because States tax all Diesel fuel as if you
were driving a tractor-trailer. So really, anyone who drives a diesel
car, pickup, or SUV is getting overcharged because the tax is based on a
tractor-trailer's wear & tear on the roads, not a smaller vehicle.

Sounds to me like the basis for a class-action suite.

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"F. Robert Falbo" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:39:23 -0700, SoK66 wrote:
>
>>>> Does anyone have any ideas why diesel is selling at or above premium
>>>> gasoline?
>>>
>>> It's price is tied to the demand for heating oil...If you live up north
>>> where they use oil for heat, diesel will be more expensive. Down here in
>>> FL it's usually cheaper than 87 octane.
>>
>> Last time I checked the National price of diesel was much higher than
>> regular. Odd, since diesel is basically kerosene and much easier to
>> refine
>> than gas.
>
> Well, Diesel is actually just a bit better than home heating oil. Yes, it
> does come out lower on the cracker than gasoline, but its also lower than
> kerosene. Diesel could be thought of as cleaner #2 fuel with less parafin
> and impurities, but with the addition of some additives. For cold
> climates, kerosene is blended to improve starting and flow
> characteristics.
>
> Diesel costs more than gas because States tax all Diesel fuel as if you
> were driving a tractor-trailer. So really, anyone who drives a diesel
> car, pickup, or SUV is getting overcharged because the tax is based on a
> tractor-trailer's wear & tear on the roads, not a smaller vehicle.
>
> Sounds to me like the basis for a class-action suite.
>

Thanks, Robert. I won't hold my breath waiting for the lawsuit, but the
price of diesel is hurting not only those of us with diesel rigs, but
virtually everything from food to building materials, anything shipped over
the roads.

"F. Robert Falbo" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:39:23 -0700, SoK66 wrote:
>
>>>> Does anyone have any ideas why diesel is selling at or above premium
>>>> gasoline?
>>>
>>> It's price is tied to the demand for heating oil...If you live up north
>>> where they use oil for heat, diesel will be more expensive. Down here in
>>> FL it's usually cheaper than 87 octane.
>>
>> Last time I checked the National price of diesel was much higher than
>> regular. Odd, since diesel is basically kerosene and much easier to
>> refine
>> than gas.
>
> Well, Diesel is actually just a bit better than home heating oil. Yes, it
> does come out lower on the cracker than gasoline, but its also lower than
> kerosene. Diesel could be thought of as cleaner #2 fuel with less parafin
> and impurities, but with the addition of some additives. For cold
> climates, kerosene is blended to improve starting and flow
> characteristics.
>
> Diesel costs more than gas because States tax all Diesel fuel as if you
> were driving a tractor-trailer. So really, anyone who drives a diesel
> car, pickup, or SUV is getting overcharged because the tax is based on a
> tractor-trailer's wear & tear on the roads, not a smaller vehicle.
>
> Sounds to me like the basis for a class-action suite.
>

Thanks, Robert. I won't hold my breath waiting for the lawsuit, but the
price of diesel is hurting not only those of us with diesel rigs, but
virtually everything from food to building materials, anything shipped over
the roads.

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, SoK66 wrote:

>> If not, why bring up this diesel off topic bull **** again?>
>
> It's a topic of general interest.

You misspelled "considered a topic of general annoyance and that has been
beaten to into a fine powder this year, along with why Hummers r Gr8
and why hydrogen isn't a superior fuel" up there, but I realize that most
spell checkers would have missed it. HTH.


> Some of us want the answer,

Your question has been answered at least twice in the past month:

<URL:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20041104165622.06439.00000105%40mb-m18.aol.com>

First message. Follow the thread.


> sorry if our conversations annoy you.

I have my doubts. At best you wanted to whine that you don't like a
particular tax that you don't want to pay, which seems to be the answer
to your question that you were seeking anyway.




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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, SoK66 wrote:

>> If not, why bring up this diesel off topic bull **** again?>
>
> It's a topic of general interest.

You misspelled "considered a topic of general annoyance and that has been
beaten to into a fine powder this year, along with why Hummers r Gr8
and why hydrogen isn't a superior fuel" up there, but I realize that most
spell checkers would have missed it. HTH.


> Some of us want the answer,

Your question has been answered at least twice in the past month:

<URL:http://www.google.com/groups?selm=20041104165622.06439.00000105%40mb-m18.aol.com>

First message. Follow the thread.


> sorry if our conversations annoy you.

I have my doubts. At best you wanted to whine that you don't like a
particular tax that you don't want to pay, which seems to be the answer
to your question that you were seeking anyway.




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SoK66 wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Do you have a diesel Jeep?>
>
> I have a diesel pickup which I use to trailer my two Jeeps.
>
> > If not, why bring up this diesel off topic bull **** again?>
>
> It's a topic of general interest. Some of us want the answer, sorry if our
> conversations annoy you.

Once again I will politely point you to the Charter of the newsgroup:
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys

And seeing as you are unwilling to read it, I will quote it:

Some things that shouldn't be discussed....

-4 wheel drive vehicles made by
other manufacturers

End quote.

Simple eh?

>
> > I am certain the only Jeeps that have diesel are in Europe and they could
> > care less about the price of it in the USA.>
>
> You would be wrong, and not for the first time. Liberty diesels for North
> America are on their way and will arrive at dealers soon.

Therefore what part of "the only Jeeps that have diesel are in Europe"
is wrong? They have been speculating about diesel Jeeps forever. The
'Fact' is, we don't have them in North America.


If the price of
> diesel stays where it is, then there's no economic rationale for the diesel
> option.
>
> > Here is a link to the newsgroup Charter. I think maybe it's time you
> > browsed it.>
>
> Mike, I think maybe you just need to chill out. This NG isn't your private
> forum. Frankly your condescending attitude towards some posters on-topic
> questions, incuding mine, have been annoying, rude, know-it-all driven and
> inappropriate. We appreciate your participation, however you could tone it
> down a bit.

This group has a Charter. I didn't write it.

If you aren't willing to respect the Jeepers on this forum by following
the Charter, then expect to get flack about it including legitimate
complaints to your ISP.

If you insist on posting off topic BS, maybe 'you' should go find a Jeep
group without a Charter, lots of them exist and you can talk diesel and
bull **** all day or until they also get tired of it.

And if you don't like my help or attitude, feel free not to read what I
type.

Mike


>
> ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SoK66 wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone have any ideas why diesel is selling at or above premium
> >> gasoline?

SoK66 wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Do you have a diesel Jeep?>
>
> I have a diesel pickup which I use to trailer my two Jeeps.
>
> > If not, why bring up this diesel off topic bull **** again?>
>
> It's a topic of general interest. Some of us want the answer, sorry if our
> conversations annoy you.

Once again I will politely point you to the Charter of the newsgroup:
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys

And seeing as you are unwilling to read it, I will quote it:

Some things that shouldn't be discussed....

-4 wheel drive vehicles made by
other manufacturers

End quote.

Simple eh?

>
> > I am certain the only Jeeps that have diesel are in Europe and they could
> > care less about the price of it in the USA.>
>
> You would be wrong, and not for the first time. Liberty diesels for North
> America are on their way and will arrive at dealers soon.

Therefore what part of "the only Jeeps that have diesel are in Europe"
is wrong? They have been speculating about diesel Jeeps forever. The
'Fact' is, we don't have them in North America.


If the price of
> diesel stays where it is, then there's no economic rationale for the diesel
> option.
>
> > Here is a link to the newsgroup Charter. I think maybe it's time you
> > browsed it.>
>
> Mike, I think maybe you just need to chill out. This NG isn't your private
> forum. Frankly your condescending attitude towards some posters on-topic
> questions, incuding mine, have been annoying, rude, know-it-all driven and
> inappropriate. We appreciate your participation, however you could tone it
> down a bit.

This group has a Charter. I didn't write it.

If you aren't willing to respect the Jeepers on this forum by following
the Charter, then expect to get flack about it including legitimate
complaints to your ISP.

If you insist on posting off topic BS, maybe 'you' should go find a Jeep
group without a Charter, lots of them exist and you can talk diesel and
bull **** all day or until they also get tired of it.

And if you don't like my help or attitude, feel free not to read what I
type.

Mike


>
> ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SoK66 wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone have any ideas why diesel is selling at or above premium
> >> gasoline?

"Mike Romain" > wrote in message
...
>
> Therefore what part of "the only Jeeps that have diesel are in Europe"
> is wrong? They have been speculating about diesel Jeeps forever. The
> 'Fact' is, we don't have them in North America.
>

Sorry Mike, You are wrong. There were Jeeps shipped in the US and Canada
with factory diesel engines. There is one local Jeeper near me running Volvo
TD in his Jeep. Diesel Libertys are scheduled for the US market this year.
Any way you read the charter Diesel Jeeps are covered as being an acceptable
topic. BTW, no where in the charter does it state that is a North American,
or a USA only newsgroup so the fact that the majority of Diesel Jeeps have
not been shipped here is irrelevant.
--
jeff

"Mike Romain" > wrote in message
...
>
> Therefore what part of "the only Jeeps that have diesel are in Europe"
> is wrong? They have been speculating about diesel Jeeps forever. The
> 'Fact' is, we don't have them in North America.
>

Sorry Mike, You are wrong. There were Jeeps shipped in the US and Canada
with factory diesel engines. There is one local Jeeper near me running Volvo
TD in his Jeep. Diesel Libertys are scheduled for the US market this year.
Any way you read the charter Diesel Jeeps are covered as being an acceptable
topic. BTW, no where in the charter does it state that is a North American,
or a USA only newsgroup so the fact that the majority of Diesel Jeeps have
not been shipped here is irrelevant.
--
jeff

Either the Volvo nor Libby make a Jeep. Period.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

jeff wrote:
>
> Sorry Mike, You are wrong. There were Jeeps shipped in the US and Canada
> with factory diesel engines. There is one local Jeeper near me running Volvo
> TD in his Jeep. Diesel Libertys are scheduled for the US market this year.
> Any way you read the charter Diesel Jeeps are covered as being an acceptable
> topic. BTW, no where in the charter does it state that is a North American,
> or a USA only newsgroup so the fact that the majority of Diesel Jeeps have
> not been shipped here is irrelevant.
> --
> jeff