91 Wrangler failed emissions

It was a hundred when I started driving. Now you have to pay at least a
thousand for a rust box on wheels. In Colorado you can at least get plates
for it, except if you live in the "clean air program" area.

Earle

"L.W.(ßill)Hughes III" > wrote in message
.. .
> Hi Earle,
> Nope, you misunderstood me. I miss my fifty dollar cars.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>
> http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm
>
> "Earle Horton" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> Bill,
>>
>> I can't believe you're arguing for junking perfectly good, rebuildable or
>> maybe even running engines. I guess you have yours already, huh?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Earle
>
>
>
> --
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>

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:38:40 -0700, "Earle Horton"
> wrote:

>"bllsht" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 19:11:45 -0700, "Earle Horton"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>"bllsht" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 09:27:09 -0700, "Earle Horton"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"bllsht" > wrote in message
om...
>>>>>> On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:04:30 -0700, "Earle Horton"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"bllsht" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:44ijs310gvj5thta31i5runtak0b29i7rk@4ax .com...
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:57:06 -0800, Outatime
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Funny that this sort of part is "always" out-sourced, and the
>>>>>>>>>> OEM and aftermarket parts are usually identical.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The Earth is round.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A 1991 4.0L Wrangler doesn't have EGR.
>>>>>>>> A 1991 4.0L Wrangler doesn't have adjustable timing.
>>>>>>>> High CO is caused by a rich mixture, NOT high combustion temps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Look this guy claims to know someone who is ASE certified. I can't
>>>>>>>top
>>>>>>>that. I wouldn't know anyone who was ASE certified. I just have a
>>>>>>>degree
>>>>>>>in Physics, how lame is that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "ASE certified" only means he passed a multiple guess test. I've known
>>>>>> "ASE certifed techs" that I wouldn't allow to put a spark plug in my
>>>>>> lawn mower, let alone diagnose a bad plug to begin with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We figured in 1978 when I was working in the Dodge garage that
>>>>>>>emissions
>>>>>>>controls like EGR were just a scam to make the tree huggers think
>>>>>>>something
>>>>>>>was being done. It turns out we were right. EGR lowers combustion
>>>>>>>temps
>>>>>>>and inhibits formation of NO, but the cat does all the work in getting
>>>>>>>rid
>>>>>>>of it. CO is a combustible gas, ergo high temperatures make it burn,
>>>>>>>duh.
>>>>>>>The PCV valve was a good idea, computer controlled fuel injection was
>>>>>>>another one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EGR came along before the cat converter did, and it works. Until they
>>>>>> started using three way cats, the cat didn't to anything to reduce NOx
>>>>>> emissions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Early EGR systems left a lot to be desired, but controls are a lot
>>>>>> better today. In fact, some vehicles are equipped with EGR because
>>>>>> they actually get slightly better fuel mileage, not because they
>>>>>> needed it to pass emission standards.
>>>>>
>>>>>I agree that a working EGR doesn't hurt, and might even increase engine
>>>>>life, but the part about not actually needing it to pass emissions makes
>>>>>it
>>>>>a scam as far as the tree hugging enviro-Nazi crowd is concerned.
>>>>
>>>> EGR reduces the formation of NOx. It can also slightly increase fuel
>>>> mileage. Using it to increase fuel mileage, even when it's not needed
>>>> for emissions makes it a scam? Your logic escapes me.
>>>
>>>When these things first came out they were presented as "pollution
>>>controls"
>>>not "something that maybe will slightly reduce pollution until it wears
>>>out
>>>or clogs". Now with computer controlled fuel injection and a catalytic
>>>converter we find it's not needed at all. "Outatime" quoted something
>>>like
>>>$60 to replace one, no doubt burning up what you've saved from the slight
>>>mileage increase.
>>
>> Catalytic converters "wear out or clog", are they a scam too?
>>
>You have a point there. Seriously, I wonder how much good they do, compared
>to cost, replacement cost and the amount of pollution that they actually
>clean up. I convinced that considering net benefit, most pollution controls
>are next to useless, except PCV/CCV and computerized fuel injection. I
>wouldn't knowingly disable a pollution control, like most of my neighbors
>have already done, but I am pretty sure the cat in my Wrangler has puked its
>guts out through the high performance muffler I have installed. That's why
>"cat back" performance upgrades are so popular, for letting the big pieces
>out.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Earle


LOL. Yeah, I've seen quite a few mufflers fill up with cat guts.

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:00:38 -0800, L.W.(ßill)Hughes III wrote:

> You may see how one
> works on my a car with 350,000 miles: http://billhughes.com/temp/smog07.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>
> http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

Why?


>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> I've posted the numbers to
> http://picasaweb.google.com/testert555/Emissions
>>
>> Any incite would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>> CTM

On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:49:22 -0800, L.W.(ßill)Hughes III wrote:

> The tax payers of Kalifornia will actually pay a thousand to junk a car
> that doesn't pass smog.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>
> http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

Now, if they'd only do the same for you and your methane emissions....



>
> "Earle Horton" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "bllsht" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:04:30 -0700, "Earle Horton"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>"bllsht" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>> >>> On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:57:06 -0800, Outatime
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>Earle Horton wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Funny that this sort of part is "always" out-sourced, and the
>> >>>>> OEM and aftermarket parts are usually identical.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>The Earth is round.
>> >>>
>> >>> A 1991 4.0L Wrangler doesn't have EGR.
>> >>> A 1991 4.0L Wrangler doesn't have adjustable timing.
>> >>> High CO is caused by a rich mixture, NOT high combustion temps.
>> >>>
>> >>Look this guy claims to know someone who is ASE certified. I can't top
>> >>that. I wouldn't know anyone who was ASE certified. I just have a
> degree
>> >>in Physics, how lame is that?
>> >
>> > "ASE certified" only means he passed a multiple guess test. I've known
>> > "ASE certifed techs" that I wouldn't allow to put a spark plug in my
>> > lawn mower, let alone diagnose a bad plug to begin with.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>We figured in 1978 when I was working in the Dodge garage that emissions
>> >>controls like EGR were just a scam to make the tree huggers think
>> >>something
>> >>was being done. It turns out we were right. EGR lowers combustion
> temps
>> >>and inhibits formation of NO, but the cat does all the work in getting
> rid
>> >>of it. CO is a combustible gas, ergo high temperatures make it burn,
> duh.
>> >>The PCV valve was a good idea, computer controlled fuel injection was
>> >>another one.
>> >
>> > EGR came along before the cat converter did, and it works. Until they
>> > started using three way cats, the cat didn't to anything to reduce NOx
>> > emissions.
>> >
>> > Early EGR systems left a lot to be desired, but controls are a lot
>> > better today. In fact, some vehicles are equipped with EGR because
>> > they actually get slightly better fuel mileage, not because they
>> > needed it to pass emission standards.
>>
>> I agree that a working EGR doesn't hurt, and might even increase engine
>> life, but the part about not actually needing it to pass emissions makes
> it
>> a scam as far as the tree hugging enviro-Nazi crowd is concerned. The
> same
>> thing can be said for the big afterburner (A.I.R. pump) they used to use.
>> It looked real convincing and even used real horsepower and a belt to
> drive
>> it, but as far as doing your part to clean up the environment...
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >>Almost forty years experience tinkering with cars says that a properly
>> >>tuned
>> >>engine burns cleaner and uses less fuel. Trying to get emissions
> controls
>> >>to work on an improperly tuned engine is like ****ing into the wind. I
>> >>have
>> >>consistently gotten well-tuned vehicles to pass emissions certification,
>> >>with the EGR and various other Rube Goldberg devices removed. It's not
>> >>hard. If your state does a visual, then disable the offending device in
>> >>one
>> >>way or another, but leave it in place. That's not hard either.
>> >
>> > I agree with the properly tuned part. Emission controls are designed
>> > to work on a properly tuned engine. However, in California, if you're
>> > not doing an ASM (loaded mode) test, a functional test of the EGR
>> > system is required. Sometimes just "being there" isn't enough.
>> >
>> OP's vehicle failed for excessive CO and NO. He also complains of poor
> gas
>> mileage. Suspect number one has to be ignition parts, and vehicle
>> manufacturers made them the easiest things to replace. Someone mentioned
>> California would subsidize repairs to the tune of $300. Save that for the
>> big ticket item, like a new cat if indicated. If you really can get that
>> money, don't blow it on "induction system service".
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> >>
>> >>"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that
>> >>shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding."
>> >>Proverbs, 17:28.
>> >>
>> >>"When a fool helps, the more he helps, the worse things get."
>> >>Chinese proverb.
>> >>
>> >>"The fool learns by suffering."
>> >>Hesiod, Works and Days, 216.
>> >>
>> >>"Doctores indoctos, nunca hubo pocos."
>> >>F. Caudet, Mejores refranes españoles, #2545
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Cheers,
>> >>
>> >>Earle
>>
>>
>> --
>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 07:54:14 -0800, L.W.(ßill)Hughes III wrote:

> I miss my fifty dollar cars.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>
> http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm

Just look in your driveway and garage.

They're still there.



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Mr. Teranews Rides Again!

"Pink Freud" > wrote in message
news
> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 07:54:14 -0800, L.W.(ßill)Hughes III wrote:
>
>> I miss my fifty dollar cars.
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>
>> http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm
>
> Just look in your driveway and garage.
>
> They're still there.
>
That's actually a good one, but please go away now, little boy.

Cheers,

Earle

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:08:23 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:

> "Pink Freud" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 07:54:14 -0800, L.W.(ßill)Hughes III wrote:
>>
>>> I miss my fifty dollar cars.
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>
>>> http://www.billhughes.com/jeep_bookmark.htm
>>
>> Just look in your driveway and garage.
>>
>> They're still there.
>>
> That's actually a good one, but please go away now, little boy.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle

Most of my bons mots are good, some quite good, but just <PLONK> me and
you'll be a lot happier, Earle.

Of course, you'll also miss some of my rewritten song lyrics done whilst
my computer was in the shoppe getting a wee bit more powerful.

But just keep defending Billie, he needs the moral support.

He also needs more physical support, like new support hose, bras, girdles
and a new tent to cover his morbid obesity, but that's another chapter
entirely.

Now, please do plonk.

I've even <PLONK>ed myself in other groups so I won't pollute them should
I err in removing them from Billie's spew.

BTW, it's Leap Year, and you can propose to Billie -- or vice-versa --
should either of you choose to do so. It just depends an who's playing the
female rôle at the given time.


Pasta la Vista.