The REAL Reason You're Broke

In article >,
Scott en Aztlán <newsgroup> wrote:
>
>Real wealth has always come not from HAVING a job but from CREATING
>jobs. As long as you are just an employee, you are vulnerable. Once
>you take the risks and become the boss, no one can outsource your job.

Ah, but not everyone can be the boss -- and most of those who take the
risks end up broke.
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There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
>> Real wealth has always come not from HAVING a job but from CREATING
>> jobs. As long as you are just an employee, you are vulnerable. Once
>> you take the risks and become the boss, no one can outsource your job.
>
> Ah, but not everyone can be the boss -- and most of those who take the
> risks end up broke.


I've run my own retail business. I did it mostly for the benefit of the power
company, my landlord, the yellow pages, and my employees. They always got paid
first. If there was something left then it was mine. There wasn't always.

Now I work for a huge corporation. They have to pay me. They can't outsource
me. I don't get rich but I do get paid.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:57:59 -0800, > wrote:

>"Dave Head" > wrote in message ...
>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 02:27:54 -0700, "Fred G. Mackey" > wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> And most importantly, you can vote out of office the corporate
>> >> whores sitting in the White House who've refused to lift a finger
>> >> while corporations ship your jobs overseas,
>> >
>> >
>> >They're not shipping my job overseas. They're just hiring contractors
>> >from half-way around the world, expecting us to teach them how to do our
>> >jobs for 1/3 the money and will fire us (or lay us off) once we've done
>> >it - and it's all "legal".
>>
>> No its not. They're doing this because they can pay them less than the
>> American wage, and that's the illegal part. Its just not enforced - neither
>> the Republicans nor the Democrats are 'into' enforcing this law because they're
>> _both_ in bed with the big businesses that get away with this.
>
>What law are you referring to? Since 1981 our federal
>tax policy has rewarded corporations for shipping as many
>jobs as possible overseas.

Yes, that's outsourcing, but the mechanism for the H1B visa that allows the
foreigners to come here and take American jobs on American soil specifies that
they not get paid less than the Americans. But this law is not enforced by
either party. This nonsense was rampant even in the Clinton years, and just
got worse since then.

People don't believe that the software jobs market is hosed, but they should
attempt to find some of the old software books - books on the Java langauge,
and others - go to Amazon and you get shuttled off to associate sellers that
are selling used books - can't get a new copy. Go to your local bookstore and
they can't get it at all. If the software development jobs are out there,
you'd think that throngs of people would want to be buying software books, but
they're not. The only good thing about it is that virtually all software books
have big discounts associated with them now if they are software development
oriented.

Dave Head

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 07:49:46 -0800, Scott en Aztlán >
wrote:

>"Fred G. Mackey" > said in rec.autos.driving:
>
>>They're not shipping my job overseas. They're just hiring contractors
>>from half-way around the world, expecting us to teach them how to do our
>>jobs for 1/3 the money and will fire us (or lay us off) once we've done
>>it - and it's all "legal".
>>
>>Those of you who say you don't have a problem with "legal" immigrants
>>should really like your next job which will entail asking if the
>>customer wants fries with that.
>
>Real wealth has always come not from HAVING a job but from CREATING
>jobs. As long as you are just an employee, you are vulnerable. Once
>you take the risks and become the boss, no one can outsource your job.

The boss's job is pretty secure, alright, but that doesn't make it desirable.
The bosses of these companies are essentially indespensible, and tend to work
12, 14 hrs a day, usually 6 days a week if not 7, and can't just take off for a
vacation while he's got 20 employees depending on his day-to-day presence.
Yeah, I've seen some businesses just close for a week or 2 while the boss takes
the kids to see Yellowstone, but that was 30 years ago. I suspect that the
environment is too competitive nowadays for that.

Dave Head

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:51:10 -0500, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
<mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com> wrote:

>Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
>>> Real wealth has always come not from HAVING a job but from CREATING
>>> jobs. As long as you are just an employee, you are vulnerable. Once
>>> you take the risks and become the boss, no one can outsource your job.
>>
>> Ah, but not everyone can be the boss -- and most of those who take the
>> risks end up broke.
>
>
>I've run my own retail business. I did it mostly for the benefit of the power
>company, my landlord, the yellow pages, and my employees. They always got paid
>first. If there was something left then it was mine. There wasn't always.
>
>Now I work for a huge corporation. They have to pay me. They can't outsource
>me. I don't get rich but I do get paid.

They can't outsource you, but can they hire an H1B visa holder from India and
pay 'em 1/3rd your salary?

DPH

Dave Head wrote:
>> Now I work for a huge corporation. They have to pay me. They can't
>> outsource me. I don't get rich but I do get paid.
>
> They can't outsource you, but can they hire an H1B visa holder from India and
> pay 'em 1/3rd your salary?


Heh... they hired a few Indian nurses for our hospital and we seemed to end up
with most of them on my unit. Just this weekend, I had to listen to a man bitch
for a good 15 minutes about his treatment on the night shift, when the Indians
work. He said, "You'd tell them something and they'd just smile. Then nothing
would happen. They obviously didn't know what the hell I had just said."

That's it in a nutshell. Sure, the hospital can bring them in. The hospital
can also lose most of its patients to the several hospitals in the area that
hire actual English speaking nurses.

The hospital hates to spend money. They hate complaints too. They especially
hate lawsuits based on an inability of the staff to understand what's being said
to them.... kind of hard to defend, if you know what I mean.

I don't feel too threatened.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

>> >And most importantly, you can vote out of office the corporate
>> >whores sitting in the White House who've refused to lift a finger
>> >while corporations ship your jobs overseas, leaving you to find
>> >other jobs that pay 1/2 to 1/3 your old wages.
>>
>
> Sorry, "ultimately don't lift a finger" doesn't apply here. Just in
> the first week of taking control of Congress we've already seen
> an increase in the minimum wage,

So the way to reduce the market share growth of foreign labor is to make
domestic labor artificially more expensive?

The mind boggles.

> wrote in message
et...
> "Dave Head" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 02:27:54 -0700, "Fred G. Mackey" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> And most importantly, you can vote out of office the corporate
>> >> whores sitting in the White House who've refused to lift a finger
>> >> while corporations ship your jobs overseas,
>> >
>> >
>> >They're not shipping my job overseas. They're just hiring contractors
>> >from half-way around the world, expecting us to teach them how to do our
>> >jobs for 1/3 the money and will fire us (or lay us off) once we've done
>> >it - and it's all "legal".
>>
>> No its not. They're doing this because they can pay them less than the
>> American wage, and that's the illegal part. Its just not enforced -
>> neither
>> the Republicans nor the Democrats are 'into' enforcing this law because
>> they're
>> _both_ in bed with the big businesses that get away with this.
>
> What law are you referring to? Since 1981 our federal
> tax policy has rewarded corporations for shipping as many
> jobs as possible overseas.

The fact no mentions is that the ultimate reward comes from you - the
consumers who are always looking to separate merchants from their wares at
the lowest price possible - and the merchants who'll have the easiest time
accepting the lowest price are those who in turn buy their labor at the
cheapest possible price.

Everyone's opposed to outsourcing - until it comes time to spend their own
money at the store - then it's screw the workers who make a living selling
whatever you're buying - you'll look out for your bottom line first, last
and only.

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 03:23:24 GMT, > wrote:

>"Dave Head" > wrote in message ...
>> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 02:56:29 GMT, > wrote:
>>
>> >"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message ...
>> >> http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...oureBroke.aspx
>> >>
>> >> For a huge number of troubled debtors, it all began with a car. Too
>> >> much car, financed too long, traded too soon.
>> >>
>> >> By Liz Pulliam Weston
>> >>
>> >> If you're constantly broke and can't figure out why, the answer may be
>> >> sitting in your driveway.
>> >>
>> >> Americans are spending more on their vehicles than ever before -- more
>> >> than $8,000 a year on average -- and it's driving some to the breaking
>> >> point.
>> >>
>> >> Credit counselor Bill Thompson of Jacksonville, Fla., estimates that
>> >> one out of every four clients his agency sees has overspent --
>> >> sometimes dramatically -- on a car.
>> >>
>> >> "They may be spending 15% to 20% of their (take-home) pay on just the
>> >> car payment," said Thompson, who supervises credit counseling for the
>> >> nonprofit Family Foundations, "and that doesn't include insurance,
>> >> gas, maintenance and all the other costs of owning a vehicle."
>> >>
>> >> And sometimes there's more than one whopping payment. Sandra McGeary,
>> >> a counselor at Consumer Credit Counseling Services of Western
>> >> Pennsylvania, says she regularly sees middle-class families struggling
>> >> with two payments in the $400 to $500 range. The burdens are so big
>> >> that it doesn't take a major disaster, like a job loss, to send them
>> >> over the edge.
>> >>
>> >> With most other areas of the budget, you can find ways to trim. You
>> >> can eat out less and shop more carefully to reduce your food bill. You
>> >> can lower utility bills by adjusting the thermostat. You can cut your
>> >> entertainment budget by canceling your cable service and borrowing
>> >> movies from a library. You can even reduce your shelter costs by
>> >> taking in a roommate or moving to cheaper digs.
>> >
>> >And most importantly, you can vote out of office the corporate
>> >whores sitting in the White House who've refused to lift a finger
>> >while corporations ship your jobs overseas, leaving you to find
>> >other jobs that pay 1/2 to 1/3 your old wages.
>>
>> Yep, you can do that.
>>
>> >And you can
>> >vote into office people who will do what's best for America
>> >instead of what's best for Rupert Murdoch.
>>
>> You can try that, but that won't include not shipping your job overseas. Those
>> people that promise that ultimately don't lift a finger, and additionally
>> support the importation of illegal aliens and foreigners on H1B visas to take
>> your jobs here as well. There ain't a nickle of difference between the bunch
>> you'd be voting out and the bunch you'd want to vote in, except the bunch
>> you're trying to vote in will lie to you and tell you they're going to do
>> something for the middle class... then turn around and stroke big business
>> anyway.
>
>Sorry, "ultimately don't lift a finger" doesn't apply here. Just in
>the first week of taking control of Congress we've already seen
>an increase in the minimum wage,

Er, yeah it does. I said "middle class". The minimum wage doesn't have a
thing to do with the middle class. Minimum wage stuff is poor people. _Both_
parties want a lotta poor people, so that they can have them looking to
government to make their lives better. Then the politicians can buy their way
into office by providing help.

Middle class people are making $20 - $40 an hour - factory workers, etc.
Politicians of both parties don't like these people, in spite of what they say,
because they can fend for themselves, and don't need a handout from Uncle Sam,
so therefore can't be manipulated as easily.

>and also proposals to lower
>interest rates on college loans, etc etc.

OK, maybe there's something for the middle class there... but not a helluva
lot.

>And in any case, mostly empty promises are still much preferable
>to utter contempt,

No, they aren't. At least the Republicans don't lie about it - they're for
business - always have been, always will be. They're both a little misguided
when they thing that _anything_ that is good for business is good for the
people, and are also willing to ignore any evidence to the contrary.

>which is all Republicans have had for America's
>middle class for the past 25 years.

Longer...

Dave Head
>

On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 07:52:38 -0800, Scott en Aztlán >
wrote:

>Dave Head > said in rec.autos.driving:
>
>>Our only real path to any kind of $$$ is to _own_ a company such as a plumbing
>>business, and neither will that get shipped overseas nor will there be anyone
>>coming from anywhere else to take it over. IOW, business _owners_ are the only
>>ones protected any more.
>
>Holy ****, Dave - that's some profound insight. I'm gonna have to take
>back all those nasty things I said about you!!

<GGG>

Hey, you being a car guy, you gonna come down to Tucson and run any of the SCCA
National Road Rallies the 1st weekend in March?

Dave Head