Nutter Bypass Ignition Modification???

In message >, "L.W." wrote:

> The only computer Mike recommends removing is the one that, and I
>bet you can't find that still works, and it's only function is to
>operate the Weber/Carter BBD stepper motor. The brain box that controls
>the spark is left in place. Look again at the Nutter bypass:

I am familiar with the Nutter hack. Maybe you should have another look. The
ignition module is just a driver for the coil. The computer that your pal
recommends bypassing controls the timing. That is why the ignition wiring is
modified.


>http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/ignmods.htm In drag racing we use lots
>of computers, but never electronic fuel injection.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> I've worked on vehicles with and without computers with the same success for
>> years. Somebody mentions computer in any context and the first thing you
>> recommend is getting rid of it. You don't understand computers so you fear
>> them. Face it, technology passed you by years ago. You, friend, are the one
>> that is clueless.
>>
>> LOL! I bet you even consider yourself a 'real' mechanic. LOL!
>>
>> 'Real' mechanics don't lose sleep over computers. They learn, adapt and
>> appreciate what computers can do.
>>
>> A wannabe will sit around and cry about them.
>>
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

We eliminate full vacuum advance for cold running only. Remember I
had a class A license, do you?
http://www.billhughes.com/oscilloscope.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O


bllsht wrote:
>
> I am familiar with the Nutter hack. Maybe you should have another look. The
> ignition module is just a driver for the coil. The computer that your pal
> recommends bypassing controls the timing. That is why the ignition wiring is
> modified.

Bullsh*ter, it is the catalytic converter that chemically changes
pollutants like carbon monoxide (CO), hydrocarbons (HC), oxides of
Nitrogen (NOx) and particulate matter (PM) into harmless substances like
carbon dioxide (CO2), nitrogen (N2), and water vapour (H2O).
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

bllsht wrote:
>
> Hiding the evidence will be the least of your worries. If you live in an area
> where loaded mode testing is done, you will fail the NOx portion of the
> emissions test miserably. Can you say "Gross Polluter"?

bllsht wrote:
>
> In message >, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >
> >Bad guess there bllsht, we have compared paperwork with california folks
> >online several times and we have higher standards here.
>
> Bull****. Even the NOx pass/fail cut points you posted here were more than
> twice what California's are.
>

Give it up, every time you post this crap we break out our paperwork
that says different. You are like a broken record and I don't feel like
proving you wrong with the exact same info 'once again'. We have posted
it several times, but I guess with all that computer learning you got,
there is nothing left over for real facts eh.

Mike

Like yours, my '78 Bronco only has a spark brain box, no other
computers to bypass: http://www.billhughes.com/smog.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O


Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Give it up, every time you post this crap we break out our paperwork
> that says different. You are like a broken record and I don't feel like
> proving you wrong with the exact same info 'once again'. We have posted
> it several times, but I guess with all that computer learning you got,
> there is nothing left over for real facts eh.
>
> Mike

In message >, "Mike Romain" wrote:

>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message >, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Bad guess there bllsht, we have compared paperwork with california folks
>> >online several times and we have higher standards here.
>>
>> Bull****. Even the NOx pass/fail cut points you posted here were more than
>> twice what California's are.
>>
>
>Give it up, every time you post this crap we break out our paperwork
>that says different. You are like a broken record and I don't feel like
>proving you wrong with the exact same info 'once again'. We have posted
>it several times, but I guess with all that computer learning you got,
>there is nothing left over for real facts eh.
>
>Mike

The fact is you can't prove your claim because it's not true.

When the going gets tough, change the subject, eh?

I'll disregard the fact that your comments had NOTHING to do with my reply and
address what you just posted...

1. It appears that you're saying that you don't want full vacuum advance when
cold? If that's what you're saying, you're wrong again. You want MORE advance
for cold running.

2. There is no class A license anymore. They went away not long after they did
away with road draft tubes. There is EB for basic area technicians and EA for
advanced emission specialist. Since you asked, I have an EA license.

In message >, "L.W." wrote:

> We eliminate full vacuum advance for cold running only. Remember I
>had a class A license, do you?
>http://www.billhughes.com/oscilloscope.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O

>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> I am familiar with the Nutter hack. Maybe you should have another look. The
>> ignition module is just a driver for the coil. The computer that your pal
>> recommends bypassing controls the timing. That is why the ignition wiring is
>> modified.

So you're saying that EGR and spark controls don't reduce NOx emissions? And
air injection doesn't reduce HC and CO?

If you don't have the right stuff going into the cat converter, you're not gonna
have the right stuff coming out.

In message >, "L.W." wrote:

>Bullsh*ter, it is the catalytic converter that chemically changes
>pollutants like carbon monoxide (CO), hydrocarbons (HC), oxides of
>Nitrogen (NOx) and particulate matter (PM) into harmless substances like
>carbon dioxide (CO2), nitrogen (N2), and water vapour (H2O).
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> Hiding the evidence will be the least of your worries. If you live in an area
>> where loaded mode testing is done, you will fail the NOx portion of the
>> emissions test miserably. Can you say "Gross Polluter"?

Bullsh*ter,
I meant losing the computer would lose the advance control over the
distributors centrifugal and vacuum advances during warm up. Not that
I'm for it, but by the time it's up on wheel dyno taking it SMOG test,
whether it's retarded cold is irrelevant, as that can't be tested at
that time.
Yes, they did add a letter since mine.
You're just too full of bull sh*t to have a SMOG license, I don't
believe you. Of course, you could scan it and put it up for us to see.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

bllsht wrote:
>
> When the going gets tough, change the subject, eh?
>
> I'll disregard the fact that your comments had NOTHING to do with my reply and
> address what you just posted...
>
> 1. It appears that you're saying that you don't want full vacuum advance when
> cold? If that's what you're saying, you're wrong again. You want MORE advance
> for cold running.
>
> 2. There is no class A license anymore. They went away not long after they did
> away with road draft tubes. There is EB for basic area technicians and EA for
> advanced emission specialist. Since you asked, I have an EA license.
>
> In message >, "L.W." wrote:
>
> > We eliminate full vacuum advance for cold running only. Remember I
> >had a class A license, do you?
> >http://www.billhughes.com/oscilloscope.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> I am familiar with the Nutter hack. Maybe you should have another look. The
> >> ignition module is just a driver for the coil. The computer that your pal
> >> recommends bypassing controls the timing. That is why the ignition wiring is
> >> modified.

You said NOX, and you now know it's the catalytic converter that
eliminates it. Would like me to write that out again?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

bllsht wrote:
>
> So you're saying that EGR and spark controls don't reduce NOx emissions? And
> air injection doesn't reduce HC and CO?
>
> If you don't have the right stuff going into the cat converter, you're not gonna
> have the right stuff coming out.