auto lockers

Nick,
This is patently false. Even if the front is locked, turning is easy IF the
tcase is in 2WD.

If offroading, then you simply select 2HI and you can instantly steer again.
And, if you need 4WD, and you are locked, having the steeering be tight
isn't much of a problem.

I get it, you are talking about a spool on the front. I am not sure I would
want a spool on the front, and I have to question why Bill keeps bringing it
up as a suitable solution. I can't imagine how a spool on the front would be
any fun at all. I could be wrong here, but I doubt it.




"Nick" > wrote in message
news:tn0ce.582$rJ1.581@fed1read02...
> But when you front is locked, even offroad your steering can be VERY stiff
> and difficult. Better to have something you can unlock and make those
tight
> turns with.
> Nick
>
>
> --
> http://members.cox.net/nnote/
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Thanks for all the info. Bill metioned a spool up front to be honest i
> > know next to nothing about a spool set up. Can any body recomend a good
> > site for research and a good product for this set up.
> > Also, off topic, has anyone had any experience with the older (66-77)
> > d-44 bronco axles on a yj, my concern is steering and i have read many
> > post about this swap but none seem to go verry deep into this part.
> > This will be my first time swapping front axles and i know there will
> > be many times that I am completly lost... but that is my favorite way
> > to learn .
> >
>
>

The fun comes from looking down at the people that can't make the
hill.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Nick,
> This is patently false. Even if the front is locked, turning is easy IF the
> tcase is in 2WD.
>
> If offroading, then you simply select 2HI and you can instantly steer again.
> And, if you need 4WD, and you are locked, having the steeering be tight
> isn't much of a problem.
>
> I get it, you are talking about a spool on the front. I am not sure I would
> want a spool on the front, and I have to question why Bill keeps bringing it
> up as a suitable solution. I can't imagine how a spool on the front would be
> any fun at all. I could be wrong here, but I doubt it.

And how is the view any different behind a front locker or a spool?




"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> The fun comes from looking down at the people that can't make the
> hill.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>

A front spool would probably be handy in heavy sand or mud, but on any other
terrain an autolocker would probably be more user-friendly.

"Jeff Strickland" > wrote in message
...
> Nick,
> This is patently false. Even if the front is locked, turning is easy IF
> the
> tcase is in 2WD.
>
> If offroading, then you simply select 2HI and you can instantly steer
> again.
> And, if you need 4WD, and you are locked, having the steeering be tight
> isn't much of a problem.
>
> I get it, you are talking about a spool on the front. I am not sure I
> would
> want a spool on the front, and I have to question why Bill keeps bringing
> it
> up as a suitable solution. I can't imagine how a spool on the front would
> be
> any fun at all. I could be wrong here, but I doubt it.
>
>
>
>
> "Nick" > wrote in message
> news:tn0ce.582$rJ1.581@fed1read02...
>> But when you front is locked, even offroad your steering can be VERY
>> stiff
>> and difficult. Better to have something you can unlock and make those
> tight
>> turns with.
>> Nick
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://members.cox.net/nnote/
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> > Thanks for all the info. Bill metioned a spool up front to be honest i
>> > know next to nothing about a spool set up. Can any body recomend a good
>> > site for research and a good product for this set up.
>> > Also, off topic, has anyone had any experience with the older (66-77)
>> > d-44 bronco axles on a yj, my concern is steering and i have read many
>> > post about this swap but none seem to go verry deep into this part.
>> > This will be my first time swapping front axles and i know there will
>> > be many times that I am completly lost... but that is my favorite way
>> > to learn .
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Hi Jeff,
Detroit Lockers do some weird stuff, like throwing the vehicle back
and forth as the released wheel scoots around, usually sending the car
straight up doing a pirouette, then end over. Jennifer's is a classic
example: http://www.xws.com/jbjeep/jenroll-shortversion.mpg So you see,
they're not at the top with me to see the view.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> And how is the view any different behind a front locker or a spool?

We see on heavily traveled trails holes dug by spinning wheels
exaggerate the obstacle course. The spool just doesn't react, switching
back and forth like a locker, causing a bounce many can't recover from.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> A front spool would probably be handy in heavy sand or mud, but on any other
> terrain an autolocker would probably be more user-friendly.

A front locker or spool isn't going to play much of a role in hopping
around, then spinning to the side and rolling over. The rear locker or spool
will play a role in that scenario, but not the front.




"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Jeff,
> Detroit Lockers do some weird stuff, like throwing the vehicle back
> and forth as the released wheel scoots around, usually sending the car
> straight up doing a pirouette, then end over. Jennifer's is a classic
> example: http://www.xws.com/jbjeep/jenroll-shortversion.mpg So you see,
> they're not at the top with me to see the view.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > And how is the view any different behind a front locker or a spool?

Those holes are usually the result of Open Diffs, and occasionally a Limited
Slip. A locker does not switch back and forth.

An auto locker is really an auto UNLOCKER, and it the tires can slip on the
ground, the locker will remain fully engaged and dig identical holes on the
left and the right, just like a spool will do. The variation, of course, is
that the dirt is identical and responds to the tires the same way, but
whether the axles is equipped with a locker or a spool isn't going to be a
factor in this.




"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> We see on heavily traveled trails holes dug by spinning wheels
> exaggerate the obstacle course. The spool just doesn't react, switching
> back and forth like a locker, causing a bounce many can't recover from.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > A front spool would probably be handy in heavy sand or mud, but on any
other
> > terrain an autolocker would probably be more user-friendly.

With a spool up front, Jennifer's left front wouldn't have gone
from free wheelin' to lock instantly starting the front up the bank.
That's of course my opinion, you may stay at the bottom of the hill.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> A front locker or spool isn't going to play much of a role in hopping
> around, then spinning to the side and rolling over. The rear locker or spool
> will play a role in that scenario, but not the front.

What free wheel?

What part of locked doesn't make sense? A locked axle does not ever free
wheel, unless the locker isn't working right and talking about the feature
set of broken **** is a waste of everybody's time.




"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> With a spool up front, Jennifer's left front wouldn't have gone
> from free wheelin' to lock instantly starting the front up the bank.
> That's of course my opinion, you may stay at the bottom of the hill.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> A front locker or spool isn't going to play much of a role in hopping
>> around, then spinning to the side and rolling over. The rear locker or
>> spool
>> will play a role in that scenario, but not the front.