phooey. :P

Kate wrote:
> Hey Doug,
> I have a friend who is having the same problem. He took his out over
> the weekend to play in the snow a little and it crapped out on him
> just like yours did. About the same model too.

Have him stick a fuel pressrure gauge on it. Or a low side R-12,
same fitting. 32 psi (40 for later models) and no sag. Mine was
putting out about 4psi. That's not enough to even get the injectors
to drip.

I suggest going with OEM on the part. I took a look at some
aftermarket chinese junk and there is no way I'd use them.

Parts from CPD for 300 jobber cost or locally for 393. The
$tealership charged 492! or roughly $100 over parts cost.
I'm going to double-check parts numbers, it could be they
didn't just replace the pump module but actually the whole
pump/fuel gauge assembly. That would be a ..bit.. more reasonable.

Labor was 421.11 .sigh. But then again I didn't have to freeze
my butt off wrestling a mostly full gas tank. They did clean
the tank and gave me a 12mo 12,000 mile reach-around... er warranty. ^_^

--
DougW

"DougW" > wrote in message
...
> Kate wrote:
>> Hey Doug,
>> I have a friend who is having the same problem. He took his out over
>> the weekend to play in the snow a little and it crapped out on him
>> just like yours did. About the same model too.
>
> Have him stick a fuel pressrure gauge on it. Or a low side R-12,
> same fitting. 32 psi (40 for later models) and no sag. Mine was
> putting out about 4psi. That's not enough to even get the injectors
> to drip.
>
> I suggest going with OEM on the part. I took a look at some
> aftermarket chinese junk and there is no way I'd use them.
>
> Parts from CPD for 300 jobber cost or locally for 393. The
> $tealership charged 492! or roughly $100 over parts cost.
> I'm going to double-check parts numbers, it could be they
> didn't just replace the pump module but actually the whole
> pump/fuel gauge assembly. That would be a ..bit.. more reasonable.
>
> Labor was 421.11 .sigh. But then again I didn't have to freeze
> my butt off wrestling a mostly full gas tank. They did clean
> the tank and gave me a 12mo 12,000 mile reach-around... er warranty. ^_^
>
> --
> DougW
>


That seems, shall we say, a bit excessive. Haven't done a ZJ, but I've done
2 XJ's and a YJ...in my driveway, on my back and none of them took me over 2
1/2-3 hours round trip.
Not sure of the official flat rate time for the ZJ, but a 32 gal tank with a
shield in a Suburban(GM mechanic, remember)only pays 3 1/2 to change out the
pump.
I've been making my living off the flat rate for 20+ years, but even I'm
disgusted by this. Our shop, in a town of 2600 gets $45/hour for customer
pay. I know Little Rock is at like $75/hr but $140/hr?!?! There's no need
for that.

--
Old Crow
'82 FLTC(P) 92"
'87 FLTC
'61 F-100 302/C-6
BS#133, SENS, TOMKAT, SLOB#13, MAMBM

Old Crow wrote:

> That seems, shall we say, a bit excessive.

It is, but I needed the Heep back and didn't have time to
have it towed to a better local shop. I figure after the
tow bill and diagno$tics fee it would be about the same.

Hell, towing around here is $50 for pickup, $3/mile, $25
for rollback. It's a risk I take rather than paying for
tow coverage. Probably should look at what it would be
on the insurance now that the ZJ is nearly legal drinking
age.

> Haven't done a ZJ, but
> I've done 2 XJ's and a YJ...in my driveway, on my back and none of
> them took me over 2 1/2-3 hours round trip.

No real difference. Disconnect the hoses, drain/drop the tank,
replace the pump. I wish Jeep would have put in an access hatch.

> Not sure of the official flat rate time for the ZJ, but a 32 gal tank
> with a shield in a Suburban(GM mechanic, remember)only pays 3 1/2 to
> change out the pump.

Can't tell for sure but it looks like they added 1 to change the fuel
filter. > That's something I do all the time and takes all of ten
minutes.

> I've been making my living off the flat rate for 20+ years, but even
> I'm disgusted by this. Our shop, in a town of 2600 gets $45/hour for
> customer pay. I know Little Rock is at like $75/hr but $140/hr?!?! There's no need for that.

It's the "we have you by the short hairs" rate. Of course that also
factors into where I may buy a new car or have other service done.
I'm not impressed with this dealership, never have been. But it was
the only one open and closest to where I broke down. The last time
I needed a dealership mechanic the Jeep went 30 miles away to a
different shop.

How's this for a mind blower. They want $150 to change the transfer
case fluid. No ****ting, about two quarts of ATF, two bolts and
easier than an oil change. About the only thing they get right is
the occasional $19.95 synthetic oil change coupon.

--
DougW

On Mon, 07 Feb, Will Honea wrote:
>I must be getting old - seems most people never heard of the best one-time
>gas filter around: a clean chamois. Put it inside a funnel, pour the gas
>through it (runs faster than you would expect). About as fine a filter as
>you can find but don't expect it to clean windows after that ;-)

I use a coffee maker filter.
Makes a decent filter, it's less expensive, but don't expect to make
coffee with it after that ;-)

Rick

lid wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Feb, Will Honea wrote:
>>I must be getting old - seems most people never heard of the best one-time
>>gas filter around: a clean chamois. Put it inside a funnel, pour the gas
>>through it (runs faster than you would expect). About as fine a filter as
>>you can find but don't expect it to clean windows after that ;-)
>
> I use a coffee maker filter.
> Makes a decent filter, it's less expensive, but don't expect to make
> coffee with it after that ;-)

I don't know about that - you've never tried my wife's coffee. I think she
may actually re-use those filters.

--
Will Honea

DougW wrote:

>> I've been making my living off the flat rate for 20+ years, but even
>> I'm disgusted by this. Our shop, in a town of 2600 gets $45/hour for
>> customer pay. I know Little Rock is at like $75/hr but $140/hr?!?!
>> There's no need for that.
>
> It's the "we have you by the short hairs" rate. Of course that also
> factors into where I may buy a new car or have other service done.
> I'm not impressed with this dealership, never have been. But it was
> the only one open and closest to where I broke down. The last time
> I needed a dealership mechanic the Jeep went 30 miles away to a
> different shop.

You're describing the reason my oldest son got out of the shop and into
teaching - he loved the wrenching but couldn't take the environment. Rate
gouging and up-sell pressure ran him out of the shop in short order.

--
Will Honea

Will Honea wrote:
> HeBeJeepN wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Feb, Will Honea wrote:
>>> I must be getting old - seems most people never heard of the best
>>> one-time gas filter around: a clean chamois. Put it inside a
>>> funnel, pour the gas through it (runs faster than you would
>>> expect). About as fine a filter as you can find but don't expect
>>> it to clean windows after that ;-)
>>
>> I use a coffee maker filter.
>> Makes a decent filter, it's less expensive, but don't expect to make
>> coffee with it after that ;-)
>
> I don't know about that - you've never tried my wife's coffee. I
> think she may actually re-use those filters.

Same as they make at work.

Paint stripper or coffee, depends on if you spill it or not.

--
DougW

On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 11:37:09 -0600, lid wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Feb, Will Honea wrote:
>>I must be getting old - seems most people never heard of the best one-time
>>gas filter around: a clean chamois. Put it inside a funnel, pour the gas
>>through it (runs faster than you would expect). About as fine a filter as
>>you can find but don't expect it to clean windows after that ;-)
>
>I use a coffee maker filter.
>Makes a decent filter, it's less expensive, but don't expect to make
>coffee with it after that ;-)
>
>Rick

I have a big roll of filter paper, works very well for me. But second
choice is that coffee filter--they are good for a lot of things
besides coffee... BTW, the guys in the shop never noticed when we used
the filter for other things, in fact our chief knuckle dragger
complemented the coffee once afterwards--"Great automotive coffee,
gotta make it that way more often!" I, of course, said nothing.

Wash the chamois in a good mild soap and water, rinse thoroughly and it'll
clean windows again. Just an old detailer's trick.

Btw, if you suspect your gas of having water in it, running it though the
shammy will filter the water out ... a chamois absorbs water easier than it
does gas.

--
C.L. "Budd" Cochran
Pray for the Obama administration: Psalm 109:8
http://truefree1776.blogdrive.com/



"Will Honea" > wrote in message
...
> DougW wrote:
>
>> If it was about half full or less (and died in the garage) I would
>> have bought a a couple 5 gal plastic fuel cans. Fairly easy to siphon
>> the fuel off. The problem is all the red-tape and storing. Guess an
>> outside fuel cabinet would work. Thing is if the gas is crap then it
>> has to either be settled then filtered real well, or tossed. So I'd
>> be stuck with a couple of years worth of lawnmower feed.
>
> I must be getting old - seems most people never heard of the best one-time
> gas filter around: a clean chamois. Put it inside a funnel, pour the gas
> through it (runs faster than you would expect). About as fine a filter as
> you can find but don't expect it to clean windows after that ;-) Used to
> keep one in a mason jar in the boat as it also does a pretty good job of
> getting eater out of the gas.
>
> --
> Will Honea
>

Budd Cochran wrote:

> Wash the chamois in a good mild soap and water, rinse thoroughly and it'll
> clean windows again. Just an old detailer's trick.
>
> Btw, if you suspect your gas of having water in it, running it though the
> shammy will filter the water out ... a chamois absorbs water easier than
> it does gas.

That's why I kept one in the boat - used to be a common item in most tackle
boxes in my part of the world. For some reason - maybe the soap/detergents
I've used - washing one more than a couple of times seemed to do them in.
Anymore, I find that warm/hot water seems to do pretty well but anymore I
mostly use one for the inside of the windshield in the winter so I'm no
expert.

--
Will Honea