So Cal Jeep Trail Recomendstions

He went to Joshua Tree, that's in Mojave desert next to Death
Valley, Many die if they just stop on a pave road in a hundred and
thirty degrees.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Mark wrote:
>
> Really? Stuck rig is a death sentence in hot weather? How about just
> sittin' it out for a few days (assuming you have lots of water) until a
> passerby, or Search and Rescue (assuming you filed a trip plan) finds
> you? You could pass the time attempting to become unstuck.

For pete's sake Bill, no doubt people die under the circumstances
you've described. But the road is paved -- and someone paved
it. Before that, a bunch of brave souls crossed it when there was no
road at all. Our troops spend all day, day after day, working their
butts off in worse conditions.

This kind of F.U.D. (Fear, uncertainty, and doubt) exemplifies why our
country is in the pickle that it is in. The alternative, as always, is
not to do it. Sit in a climate controlled, hermetically sealed box and
turn into a useless p*ssy. Less F.U.D. more adventure! I, for one, do
not wish in the slightest to be protected from my own stupidity. Much
less do I like to be separated from my stupidity by statute. Seat
belt and helmet laws, hot coffee and cigarette warning labels? What's
next, my dear Comrade?

"L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" > writes:

> He went to Joshua Tree, that's in Mojave desert next to Death
> Valley, Many die if they just stop on a pave road in a hundred and
> thirty degrees.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Mark wrote:
>>
>> Really? Stuck rig is a death sentence in hot weather? How about just
>> sittin' it out for a few days (assuming you have lots of water) until a
>> passerby, or Search and Rescue (assuming you filed a trip plan) finds
>> you? You could pass the time attempting to become unstuck.

--

Who said anything about blaming someone else:
http://billhughes.com/blame/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O


Daniel Bibbens wrote:
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Mark proclaimed:

> L.W.(Bill) Hughes III wrote:
>
>>Remember [if you] go out alone, that same problem in the summer time would
>>have been your death.
>
>
> Really? Stuck rig is a death sentence in hot weather? How about just
> sittin' it out for a few days (assuming you have lots of water) until a
> passerby, or Search and Rescue (assuming you filed a trip plan) finds
> you? You could pass the time attempting to become unstuck.
>
Sitting inside a vehicle in the desert will literally bake you. As for
passersby, those tend to be measured in millicoyotes per millenium. And
if you get way out of the typical tracks in a canyon somewhere, rescuers
could be within half a mile of you and you'd be lucky to know it.

There's a short cut that saves those going east bond on I-8 going
to Calexico on the border with mexico that usually kills ten or so on
the first hot day of summer. If you have a flat tire, your dead in the
time it takes to change to the spare. I remember because one of those
days would Memorial Day when I'd drive the long was around going to San
Felipe, Baja Ha-Ha.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Lon wrote:
>
> Sitting inside a vehicle in the desert will literally bake you. As for
> passersby, those tend to be measured in millicoyotes per millenium. And
> if you get way out of the typical tracks in a canyon somewhere, rescuers
> could be within half a mile of you and you'd be lucky to know it.

I've seen what happens to alleged professionals caught outside without
shade or water. Not pretty.

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III proclaimed:

> There's a short cut that saves those going east bond on I-8 going
> to Calexico on the border with mexico that usually kills ten or so on
> the first hot day of summer. If you have a flat tire, your dead in the
> time it takes to change to the spare. I remember because one of those
> days would Memorial Day when I'd drive the long was around going to San
> Felipe, Baja Ha-Ha.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>Sitting inside a vehicle in the desert will literally bake you. As for
>>passersby, those tend to be measured in millicoyotes per millenium. And
>>if you get way out of the typical tracks in a canyon somewhere, rescuers
>>could be within half a mile of you and you'd be lucky to know it.

Lon wrote:
> Mark proclaimed:
> > Really? Stuck rig is a death sentence in hot weather? How about just
> > sittin' it out for a few days (assuming you have lots of water) . . .
> >
> Sitting inside a vehicle in the desert will literally bake you. As for
> passersby, those tend to be measured in millicoyotes per millenium. And
> if you get way out of the typical tracks in a canyon somewhere, rescuers
> could be within half a mile of you and you'd be lucky to know it.

I might suggest exiting your vehicle using the *door* feature and
finding (or creating) a shady spot should be the first order of
business. And getting "way out of the typical tracks in a canyon"
alone without being specific in your trip plan is asking for trouble;
staying on popular trails means passersby is a real possibility.

Concerning rescuers, you're thinking two dimensionally. Unlike
forested terrain, the desert is open and visibility is usually
excellent, rescuers could be a half a mile *above* you, and you'd know
it by seeing and hearing their CAP airplane. Forgot to mention a
signal mirror and international orange tarp should be in your emergency
kit; become as visible as possible.

You and Bill (bless his heart) are setting up a strawman, I don't deny
a complete nitwit is at risk of dying in a stuck vehicle incident, I'm
just saying that a modicum of common sense reduces it to an unpleasant
experience.

Have you traveled through Death Valley in the summer time?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Mark wrote:
>
> I might suggest exiting your vehicle using the *door* feature and
> finding (or creating) a shady spot should be the first order of
> business. And getting "way out of the typical tracks in a canyon"
> alone without being specific in your trip plan is asking for trouble;
> staying on popular trails means passersby is a real possibility.
>
> Concerning rescuers, you're thinking two dimensionally. Unlike
> forested terrain, the desert is open and visibility is usually
> excellent, rescuers could be a half a mile *above* you, and you'd know
> it by seeing and hearing their CAP airplane. Forgot to mention a
> signal mirror and international orange tarp should be in your emergency
> kit; become as visible as possible.
>
> You and Bill (bless his heart) are setting up a strawman, I don't deny
> a complete nitwit is at risk of dying in a stuck vehicle incident, I'm
> just saying that a modicum of common sense reduces it to an unpleasant
> experience.

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III wrote:
> Have you traveled through Death Valley in the summer time?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>

This thread is starting to take on a life of its own, maybe even
entertaining.

When I see something wrong I'm going to jump in there and correct
them! I've lived in Southern California all my life, and I can tell you,
you will die in our deserts during the summer time, even if you believe
you are totally prepared for every possible problem. The best way is to
postpone that trip to Los Wages, for weather that will allow the
changing of a tire before you go into heat stroke.
Have you traveled through Death Valley in the good old summer time?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Chris wrote:
>
> This thread is starting to take on a life of its own, maybe even
> entertaining.