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Hello,
Is there an FAQ related to this newsgroup? -Dima |
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Dima wrote:
> Is there an FAQ related to this newsgroup? No. It's catch as catch can and anyone can post their opinion on anything and they frequently do. |
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Sorry, forget all that....wrong newsgroup.
"Daniel Arrepas" > wrote in message ... > > "Dima" > wrote in message > ... >> Hello, >> >> Is there an FAQ related to this newsgroup? > > What do you need a FAQ for, when there is a Charter? :^) > > I am going to post this here in it's entirety because the page is > sometimes not available (please forgive me all, for the length). > > Please not that the valid charter for this newsgroup is located just above > the vote responses at the end of the document. Also please note that > discussion of Rover vehicles is implicitly allowed and comparisons of BMW > vehicles to other makes is not (the fact that BMW no longer produces > Rovers has not been addressed subsequent to the sale, hence the charter > has not been amended to disallow Rover interests posts). This came up a > bit a go when someone complained about the thread lamenting Rover's > demise. > > Anyway....here ya go: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From Wed Aug 31 18:35:38 1994 > Path: uunet!bounce-back > From: (richard welty) > Newsgroups: > news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.autos.misc ,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech, rec.autos.vw > Subject: RFD: rec.autos.makers.bmw, rec.autos.makers.italian > Followup-To: news.groups > Date: 31 Aug 1994 15:35:53 -0400 > Organization: CMA Consulting, Balltown Road, Schenectady, NY USA > Lines: 76 > Sender: > Approved: > Message-ID: > > NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net > Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5568 news.groups:114556 > rec.autos.misc:17454 rec.autos.driving:34827 rec.autos.sport:70640 > rec.autos.tech:92844 rec.autos.vw:38825 > > Request for Discussion > > Unmoderated groups: > > rec.autos.makers.bmw > rec.autos.makers.italian > > Proposed Charters: > > rec.autos.makers.italian is for discussion of cars from Italy, and > of cars with Italian heritage or containing Italian componentry > (e.g., the Citroen SM.) This spans the range from Fiat Stradas > to Ferrari F40s, and (unfortunately) may be interpreted as including > the Yugo & Lada (such is life.) non-Italian cars styled by > Italian designers and/or design houses are also legitimate topics > of discussion. > > rec.autos.makers.bmw is for discussion of cars made by BMW AG. > Discussion of other relevant marques such as Bristol, Borgward > and EMW, and autos using BMW engines such as certain Brabhams > would also be considered reasonable. > > Rationale behind Names: > > The original intent was to create rec.autos.bmw and rec.autos.italian; > it was recommended to me by the members of the "group advice" list > that the sub-hierarchy rec.autos.makers be used instead. while this > is perhaps a bit clumsy (and since discussions of styling houses, etc., > will also be permissible in the italian-cars group the usage > may not be perfectly appropriate), it seems fairly reasonable, and > has been adapted. > > Why bmw (a german manufacturer) and italian (a nationality)? > > 1) the lists are already there; the groups should match the lists > if we are to going to gateway (this is discussed further later > in this proposal.) > > 2) rec.autos.vw already exists, rendering the creation of > rec.autos.makers.german potentially somewhat confusing > > 3) if we create rec.autos.makers.fiat and rec.autos.makers.alfa > (these being the dominant manufacturers discussed on the present > italian-cars list) we effectively eliminate other areas of discussion > that presently exist. > > Background: > > The italian-cars and bmw mailing lists are now more than 5 years old; > membership in the italian cars list is over 300 and membership in the > bmw list is over 600. Both lists have heavy traffic, and have more > than proven adequate demand. The orientation of both groups is > presently towards owners who take a serious interest in maintaining > their own vehicles. > > The plan is to provide newsgroups which will be bidirectionally > gatewayed to digested versions of the mailing lists. This will > reduce the load on the mailing lists while at the same time providing > access for those who do not receive news. > > This RFD is being sent to news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, > rec.autos.misc, rec.autos.driving, rec.autos.sport, rec.autos.tech, > and rec.autos.vw This (and any subsequent) RFD and the Call for Votes > will also be sent to the bmw and italian-cars mailing lists, as this > proposal would have a significant impact on the future of those two lists. > > Followups are directed to news.groups, and any subsequent discussion > should take place there. > > Thank You, > Richard Welty ) > administrator, italian-cars and bmw mailing lists > -- > richard welty 518-393-7228 > ``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of > a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith > > From Tue Dec 13 12:18:49 1994 > Path: uunet!bounce-back > From: (richard welty) > Newsgroups: > news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.autos.misc ,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport.misc,rec.autos. tech > Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.autos.makers.bmw > Followup-To: news.groups > Date: 13 Dec 1994 10:58:44 -0500 > Organization: CMA Consulting, Balltown Road, Schenectady, NY USA > Lines: 52 > Sender: > Approved: > Message-ID: > > NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net > Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:6063 news.groups:126771 > rec.autos.misc:28477 rec.autos.driving:44497 rec.autos.sport.misc:1006 > rec.autos.tech:105917 > > Request for Discussion > > Unmoderated group: > > rec.autos.makers.bmw > > Charters: > > rec.autos.makers.bmw is for discussion of cars made by BMW AG. > Discussion of other relevant marques such as Bristol, Borgward > and EMW, and autos using BMW engines such as certain Brabhams > would also be considered reasonable. > > Names: > > The original intent was to create rec.autos.bmw; it was recommended > to me by the members of the "group advice" list that the sub-hierarchy > rec.autos.makers be used instead. This concept, which appeared at > the time of the first RFD, was controversial at first, but as two other > groups have now been created under the rec.autos.makers hierarchy, it > is clear that this group should also go there. > > Background: > > The bmw mailing list is now more than 5 years old; membership in the > bmw list is over 600. Traffic is heavy, and and demand is more than > adequately proven. The orientation of the group is presently towards > owners who take a serious interest in maintaining their own vehicles. > > The plan is to provide a newsgroup which will be bidirectionally > gatewayed to a digested version of the mailing list. This will > reduce the load on the mailing list while at the same time providing > access for those who do not receive news. This gateway will be > provisonal; if conditions render the gateway untenable, it will be > dropped. > > This RFD is being sent to news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, > rec.autos.misc, rec.autos.driving, rec.autos.sport.misc, and > rec.autos.tech. This (and any subsequent) RFD and the Call for > Votes will also be sent to the bmw mailing list, as this > proposal would have a significant impact on the future of that list. > > Followups are directed to news.groups, and any subsequent discussion > should take place there. > > Thank You, > Richard Welty ) > administrator, bmw mailing list > -- > richard welty 518-393-7228 > ``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of > a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith > > > From Thu May 30 18:29:29 1996 > Path: uunet!bounce-back > From: (K.C. Komosky) > Newsgroups: > news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.autos.misc ,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.tech,de.rec.motorrad, rec.motorcycles > Subject: RFD: rec.autos.makers.bmw > Followup-To: news.groups > Date: 30 May 1996 22:29:49 -0000 > Organization: . > Lines: 118 > Sender: > Approved: > Message-ID: > > NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net > Archive-Name: rec.autos.makers.bmw > Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8751 news.groups:208708 > rec.autos.misc:102713 rec.autos.driving:131881 rec.autos.tech:193188 > de.rec.motorrad:42634 rec.motorcycles:337262 > > REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) > unmoderated group rec.autos.makers.bmw > > This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for a new newsgroup > named rec.autos.makers.bmw. This is not a Call For Votes (CFV); you > cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. > > Newsgroup lines: > rec.autos.makers.bmw BMW vehicles. > > RATIONALE: rec.autos.makers.bmw > > BMW is a well-known international luxury automobile manufacturer. BMWs > are to many automobile enthusiasts "The Ultimate Driving Machines" > > Currently the BMW Digest mailing list > > has well over 1000 subscribers, > with approximately 4 to 5 large digests sent per day. The large > traffic this list generates has caused many long-time members to > unsubscribe, due to the inability to keep up. > > This has led to calls for the creation of a Usenet newsgroup. After a > simple post to the BMW digest regarding the creation of a newsgroup, > the proponent of this group received e-mails from 50 people interested > in seeing the creation of a BMW newsgroup. This is from a group of > people who, almost by definition, are pleased with the current BMW > mailing list. > > In the existing newsgroups rec.autos.misc, and rec.autos.driving, > there are several threads discussing BMWs. Contributors to these > threads would benefit from having a single newsgroup to post > to. However, the only existing BMW newsgroup is the very poorly > propogated wiz.bmw group, which gets less than one message per day. > > In discussions on the BMW mailing list, it became apparent that many > subscribers did not want to see any changes to the existing list. Many > have no Usenet access, or prefer not to access Usenet groups for > various reasons. As well, many do not want to see the creation of a > gated newsgroup due to a perceived threat to the signal to noise > ratio. As a result, this RFD does not propose any changes to the > existing BMW digest. > > There should not be any threat of splitting traffic from the existing > BMW mailing list. Many of those expressing interest in participating > in a newsgroup want to do so in addition to, not instead of, > participation in the BMW mailing list. As well, a newsgroup would > attract new subscribers who are not currently members of the BMW > mailing list. > > The name rec.autos.makers.bmw is fully in accordance with the existing > rec.autos.makers.* hierarchy. > > CHARTER: rec.autos.makers.bmw > > rec.autos.makers.bmw will be a newsgroup for the discussion of BMW > automobiles. Possible topics for discussion may include, but are not > limited to: > > - the features of various BMW models > - repairs/ modifications of BMWs > - BMW Car Club issues > - racing/ autocrossing BMWs > - satisfaction/ dissatisfaction with BMW, or its various dealers > > Any commercial, or general interest notices, will be allowed as long > as they are topical to BMWs, done in a respectful, low-key manner, and > not repeated endlessly. > > Comparisons of BMWs to automobiles of other manufacturers will be > unwelcome, and considered a waste of bandwidth. If an unbiased > discussion of the merits of a BMW when compared to other cars is > wanted, rec.autos.misc would be the most appropriate location. It is > expected that participants in this group will be strongly biased in > favour of BMWs, thus making the answer to any such comparison (such as > "should I buy an Audi A4 or a BMW 328i") that would be given quite > obvious. > > Discussions of BMW motorcycles, or of Rover Group vehicles, will be > allowed, as they are manufactured by BMW . If discussions on these two > topics start to generate significant traffic, more appropriate groups > may need to be created. > > Under no circumstances will binary posts be allowed. > > END CHARTER. > > PROCEDU > > This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase > of the process, any potential problems with the prooposed newsgroup > should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continure > for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this > proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For > Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker. Please do not > attempt to vote until this happens. > > All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. > > This RFD attempts to comply fully with tthe Usenet newsgroup creation > guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How > to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal." Please refer to these > documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any > questions about the process. > > DISTRIBUTION: > > This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: > > news.announce.newsgroups, news.groups, rec.autos.misc, > rec.autos.driving, rec.autos.tech, de.rec.motorrad, rec.motorcycles > > and the following mailing list: > > (BMW automobiles) > subscribe via: > with the word subscribe in the body of the message > > Proponent: K.C. Komosky > > From Mon Jul 29 20:30:44 1996 > Path: uunet!bounce-back > From: (Dave Cornejo) > Newsgroups: > news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,de.rec.motorra d,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.misc,rec.autos.tech, rec.motorcycles > Subject: CFV: rec.autos.makers.bmw > Followup-To: poster > Date: 30 Jul 1996 00:30:27 -0000 > Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers > Lines: 153 > Sender: > Approved: > Expires: 21 Aug 1996 00:00:00 GMT > Message-ID: > > Reply-To: > NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net > Archive-Name: rec.autos.makers.bmw > Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8993 news.groups:222026 > de.rec.motorrad:50350 rec.autos.driving:140417 rec.autos.misc:110355 > rec.autos.tech:204305 rec.motorcycles:356744 > > FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) > unmoderated group rec.autos.makers.bmw > > Newsgroups line: > rec.autos.makers.bmw BMW vehicles. > > Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 20 Aug 1996. > > This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions > about this proposal should be directed to the proponent. > > Proponent: K.C. Komosky > > Votetaker: Dave Cornejo > > > > RATIONALE: rec.autos.makers.bmw > > BMW is a well-known international luxury automobile manufacturer. BMWs > are to many automobile enthusiasts "The Ultimate Driving Machines" > > Currently the BMW Digest mailing list > > has well over 1000 subscribers, with approximately 4 to 5 large digests > sent per day. The large traffic this list generates has caused many > long-time members to unsubscribe, due to the inability to keep up. > > This has led to calls for the creation of a Usenet newsgroup. After a > simple post to the BMW digest regarding the creation of a newsgroup, the > proponent of this group received e-mails from 50 people interested in > seeing the creation of a BMW newsgroup. This is from a group of people > who, almost by definition, are pleased with the current BMW mailing list. > > In the existing newsgroups rec.autos.misc, and rec.autos.driving, there > are several threads discussing BMWs. Contributors to these threads would > benefit from having a single newsgroup to post to. However, the only > existing BMW newsgroup is the very poorly propogated wiz.bmw group, which > gets less than one message per day. > > In discussions on the BMW mailing list, it became apparent that many > subscribers did not want to see any changes to the existing list. Many > have no Usenet access, or prefer not to access Usenet groups for various > reasons. As well, many do not want to see the creation of a gated > newsgroup due to a perceived threat to the signal to noise ratio. As a > result, this RFD does not propose any changes to the existing BMW digest. > > There should not be any threat of splitting traffic from the existing BMW > mailing list. Many of those expressing interest in participating in a > newsgroup want to do so in addition to, not instead of, participation in > the BMW mailing list. As well, a newsgroup would attract new subscribers > who are not currently members of the BMW mailing list. > > The name rec.autos.makers.bmw is fully in accordance with the existing > rec.autos.makers.* hierarchy. > > > CHARTER: rec.autos.makers.bmw > > rec.autos.makers.bmw will be a newsgroup for the discussion of BMW > automobiles. Possible topics for discussion may include, but are not > limited to: > > - the features of various BMW models > - repairs/ modifications of BMWs > - BMW Car Club issues > - racing/ autocrossing BMWs > - satisfaction/ dissatisfaction with BMW, or its various dealers > > Any commercial, or general interest notices, will be allowed as long as > they are topical to BMWs, done in a respectful, low-key manner, and not > repeated endlessly. > > Comparisons of BMWs to automobiles of other manufacturers will be > unwelcome, and considered a waste of bandwidth. If an unbiased discussion > of the merits of a BMW when compared to other cars is wanted, > rec.autos.misc would be the most appropriate location. It is expected > that participants in this group will be strongly biased in favour of > BMWs, thus making the answer to any such comparison (such as "should I > buy an Audi A4 or a BMW 328i") that would be given quite obvious. > > Discussions of BMW motorcycles, or of Rover Group vehicles, will be > allowed, as they are manufactured by BMW . If discussions on these two > topics start to generate significant traffic, more appropriate groups may > need to be created. > > Under no circumstances will binary posts be allowed. > > END CHARTER. > > > HOW TO VOTE > > Send E-MAIL to: > > Your e-mail message should contain one and only one of the > following statements: > > I vote YES on rec.autos.makers.bmw > I vote NO on rec.autos.makers.bmw > > You may also vote ABSTAIN or CANCEL; these are not counted as > votes and don't affect the vote count. > > Anything else will be rejected by the automatic vote counting > program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots > with a personal acknowledgment by mail - if you do not receive > one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to > make sure your vote is registered correctly. > > If you later change your mind you may vote again from the same > email address; only your last valid vote will count. > > > VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: > > Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. > Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. > Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this includes > votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms. > > Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions will > mean that your vote does not get counted. Duplicate votes are > resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes > of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. > > The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of > persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from > disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not > redistribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV > as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or > otherwise edited copies of this CFV will result in those votes being > cancelled. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. > > Common errors include quoting the entire article and sending your vote > to the vote-takers personal address. Either of these two could result > in your vote not being counted. > > > DISTRIBUTION: > > This CFV has been cross-posted to: > > de.rec.motorrad > rec.autos.driving > rec.autos.misc > rec.autos.tech > rec.motorcycles > > Pointers to the CFV will be posted in these newsgroups: > > wiz.bmw > > Pointers to the CFV will be sent to these mailing lists: > > BMW-digest > > From Fri Aug 9 01:39:17 1996 > Path: uunet!bounce-back > From: (Dave Cornejo) > Newsgroups: > news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,de.rec.motorra d,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.misc,rec.autos.tech, rec.motorcycles > Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.autos.makers.bmw > Supersedes: > > Followup-To: poster > Date: 9 Aug 1996 05:39:07 -0000 > Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers > Lines: 153 > Sender: > Approved: > Expires: 21 Aug 1996 00:00:00 GMT > Message-ID: > > References: > > Reply-To: > NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net > Archive-Name: rec.autos.makers.bmw > Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9015 news.groups:224873 > de.rec.motorrad:52183 rec.autos.driving:142408 rec.autos.misc:111855 > rec.autos.tech:206478 rec.motorcycles:360848 > > LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) > unmoderated group rec.autos.makers.bmw > > Newsgroups line: > rec.autos.makers.bmw BMW vehicles. > > Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 20 Aug 1996. > > This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions > about this proposal should be directed to the proponent. > > Proponent: K.C. Komosky > > Votetaker: Dave Cornejo > > > > RATIONALE: rec.autos.makers.bmw > > BMW is a well-known international luxury automobile manufacturer. BMWs > are to many automobile enthusiasts "The Ultimate Driving Machines" > > Currently the BMW Digest mailing list > > has well over 1000 subscribers, with approximately 4 to 5 large digests > sent per day. The large traffic this list generates has caused many > long-time members to unsubscribe, due to the inability to keep up. > > This has led to calls for the creation of a Usenet newsgroup. After a > simple post to the BMW digest regarding the creation of a newsgroup, the > proponent of this group received e-mails from 50 people interested in > seeing the creation of a BMW newsgroup. This is from a group of people > who, almost by definition, are pleased with the current BMW mailing list. > > In the existing newsgroups rec.autos.misc, and rec.autos.driving, there > are several threads discussing BMWs. Contributors to these threads would > benefit from having a single newsgroup to post to. However, the only > existing BMW newsgroup is the very poorly propogated wiz.bmw group, which > gets less than one message per day. > > In discussions on the BMW mailing list, it became apparent that many > subscribers did not want to see any changes to the existing list. Many > have no Usenet access, or prefer not to access Usenet groups for various > reasons. As well, many do not want to see the creation of a gated > newsgroup due to a perceived threat to the signal to noise ratio. As a > result, this RFD does not propose any changes to the existing BMW digest. > > There should not be any threat of splitting traffic from the existing BMW > mailing list. Many of those expressing interest in participating in a > newsgroup want to do so in addition to, not instead of, participation in > the BMW mailing list. As well, a newsgroup would attract new subscribers > who are not currently members of the BMW mailing list. > > The name rec.autos.makers.bmw is fully in accordance with the existing > rec.autos.makers.* hierarchy. > > > CHARTER: rec.autos.makers.bmw > > rec.autos.makers.bmw will be a newsgroup for the discussion of BMW > automobiles. Possible topics for discussion may include, but are not > limited to: > > - the features of various BMW models > - repairs/ modifications of BMWs > - BMW Car Club issues > - racing/ autocrossing BMWs > - satisfaction/ dissatisfaction with BMW, or its various dealers > > Any commercial, or general interest notices, will be allowed as long as > they are topical to BMWs, done in a respectful, low-key manner, and not > repeated endlessly. > > Comparisons of BMWs to automobiles of other manufacturers will be > unwelcome, and considered a waste of bandwidth. If an unbiased discussion > of the merits of a BMW when compared to other cars is wanted, > rec.autos.misc would be the most appropriate location. It is expected > that participants in this group will be strongly biased in favour of > BMWs, thus making the answer to any such comparison (such as "should I > buy an Audi A4 or a BMW 328i") that would be given quite obvious. > > Discussions of BMW motorcycles, or of Rover Group vehicles, will be > allowed, as they are manufactured by BMW . If discussions on these two > topics start to generate significant traffic, more appropriate groups may > need to be created. > > Under no circumstances will binary posts be allowed. > > END CHARTER. > > > HOW TO VOTE > > Send E-MAIL to: > > Your e-mail message should contain one and only one of the > following statements: > > I vote YES on rec.autos.makers.bmw > I vote NO on rec.autos.makers.bmw > > You may also vote ABSTAIN or CANCEL; these are not counted as > votes and don't affect the vote count. > > Anything else will be rejected by the automatic vote counting > program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots > with a personal acknowledgment by mail - if you do not receive > one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to > make sure your vote is registered correctly. > > If you later change your mind you may vote again from the same > email address; only your last valid vote will count. > > > VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: > > Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. > Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. > Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid; this includes > votes generated by WWW/HTML/CGI forms. > > Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions will > mean that your vote does not get counted. Duplicate votes are > resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes > of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. > > The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of > persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from > disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not > redistribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV > as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or > otherwise edited copies of this CFV will result in those votes being > cancelled. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. > > Common errors include quoting the entire article and sending your vote > to the vote-takers personal address. Either of these two could result > in your vote not being counted. > > > DISTRIBUTION: > > This CFV has been cross-posted to: > > de.rec.motorrad > rec.autos.driving > rec.autos.misc > rec.autos.tech > rec.motorcycles > > Pointers to the CFV will be posted in these newsgroups: > > wiz.bmw > > Pointers to the CFV will be sent to these mailing lists: > > BMW-digest > > From Wed Aug 21 22:59:47 1996 > Path: uunet!bounce-back > From: (Dave Cornejo) > Newsgroups: > news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,de.rec.motorra d,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.misc,rec.autos.tech, rec.motorcycles > Subject: RESULT: rec.autos.makers.bmw fails 91:27 > Supersedes: > > Followup-To: news.groups > Date: 21 Aug 1996 22:59:37 -0400 > Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers > Lines: 253 > Sender: > Approved: > Message-ID: > > References: > > NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net > Archive-Name: rec.autos.makers.bmw > Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9083 news.groups:227567 > de.rec.motorrad:53953 rec.autos.driving:145106 rec.autos.misc:114119 > rec.autos.tech:209084 rec.motorcycles:365068 > > RESULT > unmoderated group rec.autos.makers.bmw fails 91:27 > > There were 91 YES votes and 27 NO votes, for a total of 118 valid > votes. There were 2 invalid ballots. > > For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid > (YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes > than NO votes. > > A five day discussion period follows this announcement. Unless > serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group > may not be voted on again for six months. > > Newsgroups line: > rec.autos.makers.bmw BMW vehicles. > > Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 20 Aug 1996. > > This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions > about this proposal should be directed to the proponent. > > Proponent: K.C. Komosky > > Votetaker: Dave Cornejo > > > > RATIONALE: rec.autos.makers.bmw > > BMW is a well-known international luxury automobile manufacturer. BMWs > are to many automobile enthusiasts "The Ultimate Driving Machines" > > Currently the BMW Digest mailing list > > has well over 1000 subscribers, with approximately 4 to 5 large digests > sent per day. The large traffic this list generates has caused many > long-time members to unsubscribe, due to the inability to keep up. > > This has led to calls for the creation of a Usenet newsgroup. After a > simple post to the BMW digest regarding the creation of a newsgroup, the > proponent of this group received e-mails from 50 people interested in > seeing the creation of a BMW newsgroup. This is from a group of people > who, almost by definition, are pleased with the current BMW mailing list. > > In the existing newsgroups rec.autos.misc, and rec.autos.driving, there > are several threads discussing BMWs. Contributors to these threads would > benefit from having a single newsgroup to post to. However, the only > existing BMW newsgroup is the very poorly propogated wiz.bmw group, which > gets less than one message per day. > > In discussions on the BMW mailing list, it became apparent that many > subscribers did not want to see any changes to the existing list. Many > have no Usenet access, or prefer not to access Usenet groups for various > reasons. As well, many do not want to see the creation of a gated > newsgroup due to a perceived threat to the signal to noise ratio. As a > result, this RFD does not propose any changes to the existing BMW digest. > > There should not be any threat of splitting traffic from the existing BMW > mailing list. Many of those expressing interest in participating in a > newsgroup want to do so in addition to, not instead of, participation in > the BMW mailing list. As well, a newsgroup would attract new subscribers > who are not currently members of the BMW mailing list. > > The name rec.autos.makers.bmw is fully in accordance with the existing > rec.autos.makers.* hierarchy. > > > CHARTER: rec.autos.makers.bmw > > rec.autos.makers.bmw will be a newsgroup for the discussion of BMW > automobiles. Possible topics for discussion may include, but are not > limited to: > > - the features of various BMW models > - repairs/ modifications of BMWs > - BMW Car Club issues > - racing/ autocrossing BMWs > - satisfaction/ dissatisfaction with BMW, or its various dealers > > Any commercial, or general interest notices, will be allowed as long as > they are topical to BMWs, done in a respectful, low-key manner, and not > repeated endlessly. > > Comparisons of BMWs to automobiles of other manufacturers will be > unwelcome, and considered a waste of bandwidth. If an unbiased discussion > of the merits of a BMW when compared to other cars is wanted, > rec.autos.misc would be the most appropriate location. It is expected > that participants in this group will be strongly biased in favour of > BMWs, thus making the answer to any such comparison (such as "should I > buy an Audi A4 or a BMW 328i") that would be given quite obvious. > > Discussions of BMW motorcycles, or of Rover Group vehicles, will be > allowed, as they are manufactured by BMW . If discussions on these two > topics start to generate significant traffic, more appropriate groups may > need to be created. > > Under no circumstances will binary posts be allowed. > > END CHARTER. > > > DISTRIBUTION: > > This CFV has been cross-posted to: > > de.rec.motorrad > rec.autos.driving > rec.autos.misc > rec.autos.tech > rec.motorcycles > > Pointers to the CFV will be posted in these newsgroups: > > wiz.bmw > > Pointers to the CFV will be sent to these mailing lists: > > BMW-digest > > > rec.autos.makers.bmw Final Voter list > > Voted YES > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > brent > morton > > Harris > Ma > Brabant, Mathieu: > SITT > rajesh (r.) > kirpalani > reji (r.) > varghese > Dr.Valeri > Smelyansky > > NG_F > Garson > K > Sam > Marc > Naef > Afzal > Ballim > > > DFulton169 > Lee > Berg > > > Mike > Hayashi > > Donal > Roberto A. > Schafer > > Clayton > Yee > Bill > Bechtold > Kenton A. > Hoover > Ned > Fleming > Christian > Chapman > Peter > WILSON > Ulrich > Breit > Dr.Dimitri Vulis > KOTM > John > Joseph > Joseph Zietz > (8-295-5886) > Terry, Bill > (William > B) > David A > Mills > Huimin > Tsai > > Paxil > Timothy > Kennedy > > Peter > Ta > Harter G. > Ryan > Ronnie > Grant > Tong > G > Yan > Kim > DeVaughn > Aniruddha > Ghosh > James > Fullerton > > Salvatore > Denaro > Frank > Gerratana > Bruce A > Bufalini > Lee > Walton > Stan & Joyce > Toenjes > > Jane > Woo > Art > Campbell > David W. > Webb > > Reinhold > Malik > Manuel > Thierschmidt > Mathias > Klotz > Andreas > Ahrens > Claus > Weber > Roland > Wirth > Christoph Weber-Fahr > [KIT] > Asbjorn > Hojmark > Hans-Henrik T. > Ohlsen > David W. > Crawford > C > George > Yu > Christopher Lodge > Stamper > Jeffrey M. > Odom > Alvin > Foreman > Jeff > Quinton > Richard H. > Miller > Morison I. > Chen > Thomas D Gasser (Thomas D. > Gasser) > Vincent > Archer > Jawad A. > Malik > rohit > saran > Ken > March > Joseph > Roberts > Mark T. > Jaggers > Jon > Wright > Brice D. > Hornback > Mustafa Soysal > MS57 > Eric > Adair > > PHREdd > Dan "Shag" > Birchall > Steve > Cutchen > > mfisher > Eric-Jan > Noomen > Andrew > Ruthven > Anders > Askenryd > Jan > Ekl=?iso-8859-1?Q?=F6f > ?= > Bengt > Larsson > Kenth > =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=F6ransson?= > Michael > Parry > Dave > Greaves > > Voted NO > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Roger > Pfister > Dwight > Brown > Ronnie > B. > Kon > Karl > Golub > Don > Ballard > Martin H. > Booda > Larry > Smith > Ken > Nelson > Jerry > Gardner > > Dave > Harman > David > Moore > Andy > Finkenstadt > Tom > Gentry > Andreas > Rieger > Erik > Petersen > Michael > Loomis > > Bob > Ito > Patrick J. > LoPresti > Phillip > Dang > Ollivier > Robert > J. Porter > Clark > Olaf > Klein > Michiel > Wijers > Todd C. > Lawson > > Kelvin > Tan > Peter > Miller > > Abstained > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > No abstentions > > Invalid ballots > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Steve C. > Young > ! No vote statement in message > Tony > Esporma > ! No vote statement in message > > > |
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Dima wrote:
> Hello, > > Is there an FAQ related to this newsgroup? > > -Dima > > Here it is: Alt.Autos.BMW FAQ (Frequently Asked Question) 1> Is there an FAQ related to this newsgroup? No, there is not. Sorry... I just had to be a wise@$$. -Fred W |
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Malt_Hound wrote:
> Dima wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Is there an FAQ related to this newsgroup? >> >> -Dima >> >> > > Here it is: > > > Alt.Autos.BMW FAQ (Frequently Asked Question) > > 1> Is there an FAQ related to this newsgroup? > > No, there is not. > > > > Sorry... I just had to be a wise@$$. > > -Fred W Well, even a stopped clock is correct twice a day. ;-) Jeff |
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