A Cars forum. AutoBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AutoBanter forum » Auto makers » Jeep
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Ya ready for diesel yet?



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old September 7th 05, 01:55 AM
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

What do you think is on the end of an injector? It is metered
orifice same as a jet at end of the solenoid or mechanical pump. Trucker
slang this line is metered by a button. In this example you may see the
jet: #8, piston: #13, inlet fuel line: # 7, solenoid: #6:
http://www.tpub.com/content/dieselge...84-24P_143.htm
It's not complicated. I hope you are learning something along with
frustrating me.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Bert Ludwig wrote:
>
> I will have to call you insane as usual, because diesels have no jets
> or carburetors. All diesels have high pressure timed mechanical or
> electromechanical fuel injection.

Ads
  #22  
Old September 7th 05, 02:02 AM
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Say what???????????????? If you were around for the early get
around the SMOG compliance of the seventies conversions before they
killed everyone, you'd know how false that statement is!!!!!!!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> They are propane or CNG engines. But, take off the propane stuff and
> hang on some gasoline FI and they will burn gas. Propane and CNG
> engines are the same as gasoline engines except for the induction
> system.

  #23  
Old September 7th 05, 02:07 AM
Bret Ludwig
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default


L=2EW. Hughes III (=DFill) wrote:
> What do you think is on the end of an injector? It is metered
> orifice same as a jet at end of the solenoid or mechanical pump. Trucker
> slang this line is metered by a button. In this example you may see the
> jet: #8, piston: #13, inlet fuel line: # 7, solenoid: #6:


The same injectors and pump settings are used for conventional or
biodiesel. No one changes this.

Most truckers have less knowledge of diesel fuel control systems than
they do of gynecology. "Buttons" are Cummins parlance for a sized part
controlling fuel delivery in the PT fuel system, which along with
Detroit racks is a thing of interest only to antique collectors and a
few off-road operators today.

  #24  
Old September 7th 05, 02:16 AM
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

That is total bullsh*t! Every fuel has a different BTUs of energy,
just like when the hot rodder switches from gasoline to a alcohol he
must drill the jets out to twice the size to pass four time the fuel.
That just so..... basic!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> The same injectors and pump settings are used for conventional or
> biodiesel. No one changes this.
>
> Most truckers have less knowledge of diesel fuel control systems than
> they do of gynecology. "Buttons" are Cummins parlance for a sized part
> controlling fuel delivery in the PT fuel system, which along with
> Detroit racks is a thing of interest only to antique collectors and a
> few off-road operators today.

  #25  
Old September 7th 05, 02:44 AM
Dave Milne
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

don't believe so - what maintenance were you thinking of specifically ?

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> That increase is because the diesel engine can use seventeen to one
> compression ratio. Making the initial costs and maintenance double that
> of a low compression gasoline engine. A factor of ten in a road tractor
> engines.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > Get more mpg though. That's why it's popular in Europe.
> > For offroading its ideal as the torque advantage is large and they

aren't
> > affected by water as badly.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ



  #26  
Old September 7th 05, 03:49 AM
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

You just look at a Diesel and see if you can figure it out:
http://www.billhughes.com/temp/VolvoVT880EngineD16.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O


Dave Milne wrote:
>
> don't believe so - what maintenance were you thinking of specifically ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

  #27  
Old September 7th 05, 03:50 AM
c
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

It's basic, but the numbers are not quite right. Alcohol requires between 2
and 2.2 times the fuel as gasoline, and when enlarging the jets and other
fuel orifices, you need to double the area, not the diameter or you will
have an engine that runs extremely rich.

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_...drane.html#ch6

Chris

"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> That is total bullsh*t! Every fuel has a different BTUs of energy,
> just like when the hot rodder switches from gasoline to a alcohol he
> must drill the jets out to twice the size to pass four time the fuel.
> That just so..... basic!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > The same injectors and pump settings are used for conventional or
> > biodiesel. No one changes this.
> >
> > Most truckers have less knowledge of diesel fuel control systems than
> > they do of gynecology. "Buttons" are Cummins parlance for a sized part
> > controlling fuel delivery in the PT fuel system, which along with
> > Detroit racks is a thing of interest only to antique collectors and a
> > few off-road operators today.



  #28  
Old September 7th 05, 04:15 AM
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

My hot rod days were alcohol and compressed air via a Jimmy 671.
More air more fuel.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

c wrote:
>
> It's basic, but the numbers are not quite right. Alcohol requires between 2
> and 2.2 times the fuel as gasoline, and when enlarging the jets and other
> fuel orifices, you need to double the area, not the diameter or you will
> have an engine that runs extremely rich.
>
> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_...drane.html#ch6
>
> Chris

  #29  
Old September 7th 05, 05:17 AM
c
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Now you're comparing apples to oranges. A supercharged gasoline engine
converted to alcohol will still require 2 to 2.2 times the fuel as it did
when running on gasoline. If you take a normally aspirated gasoline engine,
convert it to alcohol AND supercharge it, then maybe it will require 4 times
the fuel. You take any engine properly tuned for gasoline and double the
diameter of the fuel metering orifices, and you will have an engine that
runs VERY rich, if at all.

Chris

"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> My hot rod days were alcohol and compressed air via a Jimmy 671.
> More air more fuel.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> c wrote:
> >
> > It's basic, but the numbers are not quite right. Alcohol requires

between 2
> > and 2.2 times the fuel as gasoline, and when enlarging the jets and

other
> > fuel orifices, you need to double the area, not the diameter or you will
> > have an engine that runs extremely rich.
> >
> > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_...drane.html#ch6
> >
> > Chris



  #30  
Old September 7th 05, 05:48 AM
L.W.(ßill) Hughes III
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

The post you answered, I wrote I was a "hot rodder". And that was
to get more energy out of alcohol than I could get ordinarily out of
supercharged gas. You brought the oranges into this.
You do know what the water in that alcohol will do to your engine
you plan to drive on the street, right?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

c wrote:
>
> Now you're comparing apples to oranges. A supercharged gasoline engine
> converted to alcohol will still require 2 to 2.2 times the fuel as it did
> when running on gasoline. If you take a normally aspirated gasoline engine,
> convert it to alcohol AND supercharge it, then maybe it will require 4 times
> the fuel. You take any engine properly tuned for gasoline and double the
> diameter of the fuel metering orifices, and you will have an engine that
> runs VERY rich, if at all.
>
> Chris

 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
getting ready to order [email protected] Jeep 14 December 26th 04 02:55 AM
New *FREE* Corvette Discussion Forum JLA ENTERPRISES TECHNOLOGIES INTEGRATION Corvette 12 November 30th 04 07:36 PM
Went for inspection, failed because "Catalytic converter not READY" code is coming Santa Honda 12 November 20th 04 08:22 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 AutoBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.