16v swap into mk2 Gl

Im working on somewhat a sleeper, not race car standards or anything,
but recently I picked up a 16v engine, it's the 2l model which
apparently has a little more low end growl. Along with the swap I want
to upgrade my suspension, and the table bushing on the passengers side
is completely shot, so that will have to be replaced also. Also im
taking the a/c compressor and power steering pump off, for weight and
drag reduction. Any comments? Basically I picked up the whole fuel
injection system, pumps, fuel dist, ecu, engine and everything for 400
canadian, good deal? the head and block both have 160 000 km, but i
plan on to rebuild anyways, The tranny also is a mk2 gti 8v, which im
told isnt as gfood as the 16v tranny, any comments?

Why would it be considered a "sleeper"?
Didn't the 1992 Jetta GLIs and Golf GTIs possibly come with the optional
2.0l 16V engine?
Now if you stick a turbo or super charger in it...................then I
would consider it a sleeper! ;-)
Or a VR6 engine. lol

Besides maybe some different gears in the 16V transmission, the input shaft
is wider in diameter and must match the clutch disc. So the transmission
should work.

"the_lower_class_brat" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Im working on somewhat a sleeper, not race car standards or anything,
> but recently I picked up a 16v engine, it's the 2l model which
> apparently has a little more low end growl. Along with the swap I want
> to upgrade my suspension, and the table bushing on the passengers side
> is completely shot, so that will have to be replaced also. Also im
> taking the a/c compressor and power steering pump off, for weight and
> drag reduction. Any comments? Basically I picked up the whole fuel
> injection system, pumps, fuel dist, ecu, engine and everything for 400
> canadian, good deal? the head and block both have 160 000 km, but i
> plan on to rebuild anyways, The tranny also is a mk2 gti 8v, which im
> told isnt as gfood as the 16v tranny, any comments?
>

On Jul 8, 5:46 pm, "dave AKA vwdoc1" > wrote:
> Why would it be considered a "sleeper"?
> Didn't the 1992 Jetta GLIs and Golf GTIs possibly come with the optional
> 2.0l 16V engine?
> Now if you stick a turbo or super charger in it...................then I
> would consider it a sleeper! ;-)
> Or a VR6 engine. lol
>
> Besides maybe some different gears in the 16V transmission, the input shaft
> is wider in diameter and must match the clutch disc. So the transmission
> should work.
>
> "the_lower_class_brat" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> > Im working on somewhat a sleeper, not race car standards or anything,
> > but recently I picked up a 16v engine, it's the 2l model which
> > apparently has a little more low end growl. Along with the swap I want
> > to upgrade my suspension, and the table bushing on the passengers side
> > is completely shot, so that will have to be replaced also. Also im
> > taking the a/c compressor and power steering pump off, for weight and
> > drag reduction. Any comments? Basically I picked up the whole fuel
> > injection system, pumps, fuel dist, ecu, engine and everything for 400
> > canadian, good deal? the head and block both have 160 000 km, but i
> > plan on to rebuild anyways, The tranny also is a mk2 gti 8v, which im
> > told isnt as gfood as the 16v tranny, any comments?

Hence the "somewhat".My golf isnt a gti nor a gli. Just a plain
looking gl golf. Yea, I know I have to use the 16v pressure plate
with the 8v clutch. Also i do want to rebuild the engien with forged
internals, and eventually slap a turbo on, but for now a NA 16v 2.0.

Well you already have that 16V 2.0l engine and the turbo would make it a
good "Sleeper"! IMHO
Some of the turbo engines have oil squirters that lube the bottoms of the
pistons and cylinders. This in on some of the turbo diesels and the 1.8t
engines. The 1.8t and diesels, are also supposed to have forged parts
inside so you are thinking into the future for a good long-lived engine.

Now will the transmission be able to apply that power to the wheels over the
long term? hmmm well if you break it build the next one better! ;-)

Did you want to post your engine "recipe" in this newsgroup?

I am currently rebuilding a stock 1.8t engine that had a rod knock, so I am
getting intimate with it. ;-)
Those pistons are tiny for my tastes, but I don't relish a beyond the $3,000
price tag on boring and stroking it. 8^o
And it is going in an automatic anyway! :-(
--
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)

"the_lower_class_brat" > wrote in message
>
> Hence the "somewhat".My golf isnt a gti nor a gli. Just a plain
> looking gl golf. Yea, I know I have to use the 16v pressure plate
> with the 8v clutch. Also i do want to rebuild the engien with forged
> internals, and eventually slap a turbo on, but for now a NA 16v 2.0.
>

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:46:02 -0700, the_lower_class_brat
> wrote:

>On Jul 8, 5:46 pm, "dave AKA vwdoc1" > wrote:
>> Why would it be considered a "sleeper"?
>> Didn't the 1992 Jetta GLIs and Golf GTIs possibly come with the optional
>> 2.0l 16V engine?
>> Now if you stick a turbo or super charger in it...................then I
>> would consider it a sleeper! ;-)
>> Or a VR6 engine. lol
>>
>> Besides maybe some different gears in the 16V transmission, the input shaft
>> is wider in diameter and must match the clutch disc. So the transmission
>> should work.
>>
>> "the_lower_class_brat" > wrote in message
>>
>> oups.com...
>>
>> > Im working on somewhat a sleeper, not race car standards or anything,
>> > but recently I picked up a 16v engine, it's the 2l model which
>> > apparently has a little more low end growl. Along with the swap I want
>> > to upgrade my suspension, and the table bushing on the passengers side
>> > is completely shot, so that will have to be replaced also. Also im
>> > taking the a/c compressor and power steering pump off, for weight and
>> > drag reduction. Any comments? Basically I picked up the whole fuel
>> > injection system, pumps, fuel dist, ecu, engine and everything for 400
>> > canadian, good deal? the head and block both have 160 000 km, but i
>> > plan on to rebuild anyways, The tranny also is a mk2 gti 8v, which im
>> > told isnt as gfood as the 16v tranny, any comments?
>
>Hence the "somewhat".My golf isnt a gti nor a gli. Just a plain
>looking gl golf. Yea, I know I have to use the 16v pressure plate
>with the 8v clutch. Also i do want to rebuild the engien with forged
>internals, and eventually slap a turbo on, but for now a NA 16v 2.0.
>
A John Deere green 87 golf isn't plain looking. ;-)
You've come a long way in six months.

On Jul 10, 7:50 am, wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:46:02 -0700, the_lower_class_brat
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Jul 8, 5:46 pm, "dave AKA vwdoc1" > wrote:
> >> Why would it be considered a "sleeper"?
> >> Didn't the 1992 Jetta GLIs and Golf GTIs possibly come with the optional
> >> 2.0l 16V engine?
> >> Now if you stick a turbo or super charger in it...................then I
> >> would consider it a sleeper! ;-)
> >> Or a VR6 engine. lol
>
> >> Besides maybe some different gears in the 16V transmission, the input shaft
> >> is wider in diameter and must match the clutch disc. So the transmission
> >> should work.
>
> >> "the_lower_class_brat" > wrote in message
>
> groups.com...
>
> >> > Im working on somewhat a sleeper, not race car standards or anything,
> >> > but recently I picked up a 16v engine, it's the 2l model which
> >> > apparently has a little more low end growl. Along with the swap I want
> >> > to upgrade my suspension, and the table bushing on the passengers side
> >> > is completely shot, so that will have to be replaced also. Also im
> >> > taking the a/c compressor and power steering pump off, for weight and
> >> > drag reduction. Any comments? Basically I picked up the whole fuel
> >> > injection system, pumps, fuel dist, ecu, engine and everything for 400
> >> > canadian, good deal? the head and block both have 160 000 km, but i
> >> > plan on to rebuild anyways, The tranny also is a mk2 gti 8v, which im
> >> > told isnt as gfood as the 16v tranny, any comments?
>
> >Hence the "somewhat".My golf isnt a gti nor a gli. Just a plain
> >looking gl golf. Yea, I know I have to use the 16v pressure plate
> >with the 8v clutch. Also i do want to rebuild the engien with forged
> >internals, and eventually slap a turbo on, but for now a NA 16v 2.0.
>
> A John Deere green 87 golf isn't plain looking. ;-)
> You've come a long way in six months.

No man, that thing is long gone, scrapped it. I have a 2 door charcoal
grey now, took the snowflake rims from it though.

On Jul 10, 3:39 pm, the_lower_class_brat
> wrote:
> On Jul 10, 7:50 am, wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 21:46:02 -0700, the_lower_class_brat
>
> > > wrote:
> > >On Jul 8, 5:46 pm, "dave AKA vwdoc1" > wrote:
> > >> Why would it be considered a "sleeper"?
> > >> Didn't the 1992 Jetta GLIs and Golf GTIs possibly come with the optional
> > >> 2.0l 16V engine?
> > >> Now if you stick a turbo or super charger in it...................then I
> > >> would consider it a sleeper! ;-)
> > >> Or a VR6 engine. lol
>
> > >> Besides maybe some different gears in the 16V transmission, the input shaft
> > >> is wider in diameter and must match the clutch disc. So the transmission
> > >> should work.
>
> > >> "the_lower_class_brat" > wrote in message
>
> > groups.com...
>
> > >> > Im working on somewhat a sleeper, not race car standards or anything,
> > >> > but recently I picked up a 16v engine, it's the 2l model which
> > >> > apparently has a little more low end growl. Along with the swap I want
> > >> > to upgrade my suspension, and the table bushing on the passengers side
> > >> > is completely shot, so that will have to be replaced also. Also im
> > >> > taking the a/c compressor and power steering pump off, for weight and
> > >> > drag reduction. Any comments? Basically I picked up the whole fuel
> > >> > injection system, pumps, fuel dist, ecu, engine and everything for 400
> > >> > canadian, good deal? the head and block both have 160 000 km, but i
> > >> > plan on to rebuild anyways, The tranny also is a mk2 gti 8v, which im
> > >> > told isnt as gfood as the 16v tranny, any comments?
>
> > >Hence the "somewhat".My golf isnt a gti nor a gli. Just a plain
> > >looking gl golf. Yea, I know I have to use the 16v pressure plate
> > >with the 8v clutch. Also i do want to rebuild the engien with forged
> > >internals, and eventually slap a turbo on, but for now a NA 16v 2.0.
>
> > A John Deere green 87 golf isn't plain looking. ;-)
> > You've come a long way in six months.
>
> No man, that thing is long gone, scrapped it. I have a 2 door charcoal
> grey now, took the snowflake rims from it though.

Alright I've got everything gutted, I'm having a bit of trouble with
the wiring harness, there's nothing to connect to the coil. I was
thinking I take that part from my golf but the ignition chip or
whatever that is on top of the ecu housing wont connect into any of
the harness connectors, by the way the engine is from a 92 passat.

Are you using the FI and IGN system from the '92 Passat?
This has 2 knock sensors with a reference(?) sensor to tell the ECM how to
retard the spark. Also should have different fuel maps inside of the ECM.

Or are you using the existing 8V systems from the Golf?
Which only has 1 knock sensor maybe if a 1988 or newer, with digifant FI
which will not easily work, AND the '87 GL does not have the knock sensor
IIRC.

Since you say the wiring harness won't fit the ignition module I will ASSuME
you are using the Passat systems.
I will have to look at my Passat to see if the coil is different than the
Golfs.
But you should be using the components off the Passat.....i.e. Ign Coil,
ECM, etc. and everything should plug in.

So Correct me if my thinking is wrong!
--
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)

"the_lower_class_brat" > wrote in message
SNIP
> Alright I've got everything gutted, I'm having a bit of trouble with
> the wiring harness, there's nothing to connect to the coil. I was
> thinking I take that part from my golf but the ignition chip or
> whatever that is on top of the ecu housing wont connect into any of
> the harness connectors, by the way the engine is from a 92 passat.
>

On Jul 22, 7:52 am, "dave AKA vwdoc1" > wrote:
> Are you using the FI and IGN system from the '92 Passat?
> This has 2 knock sensors with a reference(?) sensor to tell the ECM how to
> retard the spark. Also should have different fuel maps inside of the ECM.
>
> Or are you using the existing 8V systems from the Golf?
> Which only has 1 knock sensor maybe if a 1988 or newer, with digifant FI
> which will not easily work, AND the '87 GL does not have the knock sensor
> IIRC.
>
> Since you say the wiring harness won't fit the ignition module I will ASSuME
> you are using the Passat systems.
> I will have to look at my Passat to see if the coil is different than the
> Golfs.
> But you should be using the components off the Passat.....i.e. Ign Coil,
> ECM, etc. and everything should plug in.
>
> So Correct me if my thinking is wrong!
> --
> later,
> dave
> (One out of many daves)
>
> "the_lower_class_brat" > wrote in message
>
> SNIP
>
> > Alright I've got everything gutted, I'm having a bit of trouble with
> > the wiring harness, there's nothing to connect to the coil. I was
> > thinking I take that part from my golf but the ignition chip or
> > whatever that is on top of the ecu housing wont connect into any of
> > the harness connectors, by the way the engine is from a 92 passat.

Well yea but there's no plugs so I can plug in the coil, and im pretty
sure the 16v coil and 8v are the same, not 100 but im pretty sure.
Wouldnt the wiring for the coil come from the ecm? But there's no plug
on my harness that will plug into the ecm on my golf, unless it's also
different.

On Jul 22, 11:33 am, the_lower_class_brat
> wrote:
> On Jul 22, 7:52 am, "dave AKA vwdoc1" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Are you using the FI and IGN system from the '92 Passat?
> > This has 2 knock sensors with a reference(?) sensor to tell the ECM how to
> > retard the spark. Also should have different fuel maps inside of the ECM.
>
> > Or are you using the existing 8V systems from the Golf?
> > Which only has 1 knock sensor maybe if a 1988 or newer, with digifant FI
> > which will not easily work, AND the '87 GL does not have the knock sensor
> > IIRC.
>
> > Since you say the wiring harness won't fit the ignition module I will ASSuME
> > you are using the Passat systems.
> > I will have to look at my Passat to see if the coil is different than the
> > Golfs.
> > But you should be using the components off the Passat.....i.e. Ign Coil,
> > ECM, etc. and everything should plug in.
>
> > So Correct me if my thinking is wrong!
> > --
> > later,
> > dave
> > (One out of many daves)
>
> > "the_lower_class_brat" > wrote in message
>
> > SNIP
>
> > > Alright I've got everything gutted, I'm having a bit of trouble with
> > > the wiring harness, there's nothing to connect to the coil. I was
> > > thinking I take that part from my golf but the ignition chip or
> > > whatever that is on top of the ecu housing wont connect into any of
> > > the harness connectors, by the way the engine is from a 92 passat.
>
> Well yea but there's no plugs so I can plug in the coil, and im pretty
> sure the 16v coil and 8v are the same, not 100 but im pretty sure.
> Wouldnt the wiring for the coil come from the ecm? But there's no plug
> on my harness that will plug into the ecm on my golf, unless it's also
> different.

Wait, the ecm is the little module ontop of the ecu housing right?