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  #51  
Old February 19th 18, 12:04 AM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,uk.rec.cars.maintenance
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Default Can you teach me more about lug bolts & related tire tools?

On 18/02/2018 22:25, ultred ragnusen wrote:

>
> That's strange that Europeans use a half-metric half-what-you-call-Imperial
> standard of units.


Not necessarily the rest of Europe but the UK.

I'm now retired and during my schooling it was mainly the metric system
that was taught.

In the UK we still use a imperial units for some items. Beer in pubs is
sold in pints and not litres. Vehicle speed and road signs are still in
miles and not kilometres. Manufactures/dealers still refer to petrol
consumption in miles per gallon even though petrol has been sold by the
litre for 3 decades or more.

I was an engineer by profession and only used metric my whole working
life for the job.

Some non-metric items are throwback to history - they have been that way
for hundreds of years and haven't changed.

> To us, Imperial is a strange word, where it often means Imperial Japan or
> Imperial British (meaning before WWII in our vernacular), but we never use
> the word "imperial" in terms of measurement units (at least I don't).


> I have seen "imperial gallons" where I have to ask what they are, since we
> just have gallons and liters and nothing else (similarly with regular tons
> and long tons I guess).


We only say gallons BUT when talking to the ex-colonies we have to say
'Imperial' because your pints and gallons are different from ours.

1 imperial (UK) pint = 1.2 US pint
1 imperial (UK) gallon = 1.2 US gallons

There is also the tonne = 1,000 kg

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  #52  
Old February 19th 18, 12:07 AM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,uk.rec.cars.maintenance
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Default Can you teach me more about lug bolts & related tire tools?

On 2/18/18 4:48 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/18/2018 4:38 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>> On 2/18/18 4:25 PM, ultred ragnusen wrote:
>>
>>> I thought all torque wrenches needed your hand in a
>>> certain given
>>> spot?

>>
>> Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* They measure torque at the head of the wrench, not
>> the end of the handle.
>> Take a wrench with a 2 foot handle.Â* Say it takes 50 pounds
>> of force at
>> the end of the handleÂ* to loosen a nut.Â*Â* Take a wrench with
>> a 4 foot handle.
>> It will take 25 pounds of force at the end of the that one's
>> handle to loosen
>> the same nut.Â*Â* That's why cheater pipes work.
>>

>
> Classic beam scale torque wrenches do indeed rely on a single point load
> which is why the handle has a pivot pin. Your comments are correct for
> click wrenches.
>

I don't get the why if this is what you mean by beam scale
torque wrench.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/Presa-1-4-in-Drive-0-in-to-80-in-lbs-Beam-Style-Torque-Wrench-CP31006/206975714>
or http://alturl.com/wsjx3
  #53  
Old February 19th 18, 12:19 AM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,uk.rec.cars.maintenance
alan_m
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Default Can you teach me more about lug bolts & related tire tools?

On 18/02/2018 22:32, ultred ragnusen wrote:

> I can't stake my mortgage on the percentage but I did say one tenth of one
> percent, and I did easily count over fifty objects per tire, which is about
> 800 objects per year, which let's just call 1000 objects in a year for
> simplicity of math per set of four tires.
>
> One tenth of one percent of that number is 1 slow leak a year due to
> shards, which I agree might be too much.


My apologies, I did mis-read one tenth as ten percent.

However, even when I've had slow leaks its been objects that have fully
penetrated the tyre at the the time I ran over it, or a few rotations of
the wheel later. Nails and screws often cause a puncture but then until
removed either seal the puncture or cause a very slow leak

>
> Statistically speaking, I get your drift that it isn't worth removing
> shards from a tire just to prevent a slow leak every couple of years, but,
> anecdotally, what do you think this shard would have done, over time?
> http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/18/splinter3.jpg


i) it would have fallen off.
ii) as the tyre wears it would have become the high spot and be ground
off by the road surface



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  #54  
Old February 19th 18, 12:20 AM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,uk.rec.cars.maintenance
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On 18/02/2018 23:02, Peeler wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 22:40:43 -0000, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 21:29:24 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire > wrote:
>>
>>> James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 21:17:55 -0000, ultred ragnusen
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> No need to with those little **** ant things you blokes call cars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That must be why merkins are so keen to own English cars.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure who is trolling and who is joking as rotating and
>>>>> inspecting tires is a natural thing that you do on most vehicles
>>>>> simply because fronts wear differently than rears, and crowns affect
>>>>> wear and alignment setup per side.
>>>>> http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/...ic_balance.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, rotating tires gives you a chance to doublecheck their
>>>>> static balance and to inspect and remove between 50 and 100 pebbles
>>>>> and shards from the carcass.
>>>>> http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/18/splinter2.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> With respect to the country of origin of most cars driven in
>>>>> America, I'd wager that Japan has the rest of the world beat in
>>>>> terms of what 'mericans prefer overall.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the fronts wear faster than the rears, but so what?! You
>>>> replace whatever wears out when it wears out. What on earth is the
>>>> point in moving them around so you have to replace all four at once?!
>>>
>>> It's called preventive maintenance. You are too stupid to understand this.

>>
>> It doesn't change the speed at which the tyres wear out, so is utterly pointless. Don't bother replying, you're killfiled, I just peeked into it to see what ****e you were spouting.

>
> ROTFLOL! And Birdbrain, the resident gay ****** of all the UK ngs, quickly
> hides behind his ridiculous pretend killfile again! ****ing HILARIOUS! LOL
>
> I sure hope that eventually all of your neighbours and relatives will learn
> about your "reputation" on these groups, Peter Hucker, you filthy
> sociopathic ******! LOL


ROTFLOL! And Peeler, Birdbrain's jilted lover, is jealous all that spunk
is going to waste.
  #55  
Old February 19th 18, 12:43 AM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,uk.rec.cars.maintenance
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Default Gay ****** Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL), the Sociopathic Attention Whore

On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 23:20:31 +0000, Fredxx, the resident smartass,
smartassed again:

>> ROTFLOL! And Birdbrain, the resident gay ****** of all the UK ngs, quickly
>> hides behind his ridiculous pretend killfile again! ****ing HILARIOUS! LOL
>>
>> I sure hope that eventually all of your neighbours and relatives will learn
>> about your "reputation" on these groups, Peter Hucker, you filthy
>> sociopathic ******! LOL

>
> ROTFLOL! And Peeler, Birdbrain's jilted lover, is jealous all that spunk
> is going to waste.


You felt personally addressed when "gay ******" was mentioned? Obviously
RIGHTLY so, you smartass who can never hold back his gay fantasies! <BG>

Remember, gay smartass: you, TOO, claimed to have "killfiled" me! ROTFLOL
  #56  
Old February 19th 18, 12:52 AM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,uk.rec.cars.maintenance
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Default Can you teach me more about lug bolts & related tire tools?

"MrCheerful" wrote:

> > I think not - but I've heard people say use the shortest extension bar you
> > can get your hands on. I don't understand why. It should be the same torque
> > if I used a 16-inch extension bar, right?
> >

>
> no because some force will just be twisting the bar, Imagine a bar a
> mile long, you twist one end with a known force, the other end would not
> move.


Oh crap. Is this myth still floating around?
We're not measuring *movement*, we're measuring *torque*.
Place a 100 pound weight on one end of a 5-foot long teeter-totter.
How much weight do you add to the other end to balance it?
Place a 100 pound weight on one end of a mile long teeter-totter.
Same question. (PS: You'll get the same answer)

Back to the actual question:
3-inch extension keeps you close to the nut, unlikely to twist sideways and fall off.
16-inch extension has the possibility of pulling the socket out of alignment, maybe
rounding off the nut, and scraping your knuckles (and your shiny new wrench) on the
ground, UNLESS you properly support the wrench at the head end to keep it straight.



  #57  
Old February 19th 18, 01:13 AM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,uk.rec.cars.maintenance
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wrote:

> You really need to find something more interesting to do with your life.


Pot, kettle, black.
  #58  
Old February 19th 18, 01:14 AM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,uk.rec.cars.maintenance
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On 2/18/2018 5:07 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> On 2/18/18 4:48 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/18/2018 4:38 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>> On 2/18/18 4:25 PM, ultred ragnusen wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought all torque wrenches needed your hand in a
>>>> certain given
>>>> spot?
>>>
>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â They measure torque at the head of the
>>> wrench, not
>>> the end of the handle.
>>> Take a wrench with a 2 foot handle. Say it takes 50 pounds
>>> of force at
>>> the end of the handle to loosen a nut.  Take a
>>> wrench with
>>> a 4 foot handle.
>>> It will take 25 pounds of force at the end of the that one's
>>> handle to loosen
>>> the same nut.  That's why cheater pipes work.
>>>

>>
>> Classic beam scale torque wrenches do indeed rely on a
>> single point load which is why the handle has a pivot pin.
>> Your comments are correct for click wrenches.
>>

> I don't get the why if this is what you mean by beam
> scale torque wrench.
> <https://www.homedepot.com/p/Presa-1-4-in-Drive-0-in-to-80-in-lbs-Beam-Style-Torque-Wrench-CP31006/206975714>
>
> or http://alturl.com/wsjx3


Yep that's the style. Scale reading assumes the load is at
the handle pivot pin.
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Old February 19th 18, 01:17 AM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,uk.rec.cars.maintenance
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wrote:

>> Statistically speaking, I get your drift that it isn't worth removing
>> shards from a tire just to prevent a slow leak every couple of years, but,
>> anecdotally, what do you think this shard would have done, over time?
>> http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/18/splinter3.jpg

>
> i) it would have fallen off.
> ii) as the tyre wears it would have become the high spot and be ground
> off by the road surface


Hmmmm.... maybe it would have fallen off, which most pebbles, I'd wager,
would do. But this would likely, IMHO, have simply been pushed further into
the tire, particularly given it's arrowhead shape.

Personally, based on the shape and direct angle of entry normal to the tire
surface, I give that shard from a 95% to 99% chance of having punctured the
tire over time, whereas I give a round pebble only from 1/10th to 1/100th
of one percent the same chance.
  #60  
Old February 19th 18, 01:20 AM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,uk.rec.cars.maintenance
ultred ragnusen
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wrote:

> I don't get the why if this is what you mean by beam scale
> torque wrench.


I show both types of torque wrenches in my original post, reproduced below.
http://wetakepic.com/images/2018/02/17/torquewrench.jpg

The "beam style" (with the black handle & red pointer) has a "pivot pin" to
ensure that your force is applied at a single point of contact on the bar.
 




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