What do you think of FILSCA?

"ymenard" > wrote in
:

> I prefer my own "Federation of all-things-simracing-united". I
> declare myself the king, the tycoon, the magnate, the baron, the czar,
> the emperor, the sovereign and of course the leader of this
> federation. All simulated leagues have to go within these rules :
>
> 1. You bow to me and my fascist rules (which are a simply copy/paste
> of the Filsca ones)
> 2. You bow to me again after the qualification (with a preset message)
> 3. 10% of all your income goes to me
>
>
> Thank you have a nice day.
>

Splitter!

JM

I favor rich women and fast food myself.

"mcewena" > wrote in message
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> > Just wondered what people's thoughts were on the whole FILSCA thing?
> >
> > Good, bad, indifferent, never heard of it?
> >
>
> Organization, like fast women and rich food, is a good thing in
> moderation. I agree with many of Asgeir's thoughts about FILSCA's
> potential benefit however I fail to see how they'll reach critical mass
> required to achieve them in their current form.
>
> Their first white paper, http://www.filsca.com/1000253/812 discussed
> raising Sim racing to a professional level and the need for a
> sanctioning body to govern/promote the sport towards that end. Their
> current mission statement, http://www.filsca.com/1000253/386
> has dropped the "pro" aspect but still calls themselves a sanctioning
> body.
>
> While I personally feel the percentage of sim racers who are likely to
> "turn pro" is infinitesimally small (about the same size as the
> potential audience who might pay to watch), I think a sanctioning body
> could do many useful things for the rest of us: lobbying graphics card,
> wheel and sim manufacturers so that they knew what our specific issues
> were; setting standards and rating 3rd party tracks/mod etc.
>
> However when I suggested that line of thinking to the then-current
> FILSCA officers they clearly indicated that not only were they
> personally not interested in it (which I can accept), but that
> essentially that wasn't what FILSCA was all about. The latter aspect
> was troubling to me in what I presumed would be an association that
> would, after a necessary initial dictatorial period, be democratically
> run by it's member leagues and therefore it's ultimate goals subject to
> change.
>
> Perhaps coincidently most of the initial people who did the setup work
> for FILSCA still seem to be the principal officers (those who are still
> sim-racing at all). To me that says they've either been continuously
> re-elected thru fair and democratic processes (the results of which
> have been kept entirely within the private FILSCA forums) or they
> haven't.. Searching their public forums on the words "elect" or
> "election" returns virtually no results, something I'd thought they'd
> want to advertise at least as much as a race result.
>
> Personally I'm suspicious of why the rules/guidelines for potential
> member leagues aren't posted on the public side of their pages, I can't
> think of a good reason for keeping that close to the chest. From
> purely hearsay posts I understand them to be fairly draconian. I
> personally don't know, as even though I've exchanged emails with
> FILSCAers they haven't outlined the rules to me, so I won't take the
> matter to my league.
>
> Not that it bothers me, but I think in some people's eye's they've set
> themselves on their back foot to begin with by picking a very
> Euro-centric name. Much the same way that most NASCAR, IRL or CART
> teams couldn't spell FIA.
>
> If their goal is simply to maintain driver stats and produce a news
> letter (not that that's not a lot of work in itself), then democratic
> leadership is less of an issue, however I personally don't see how they
> can call themselves a "club" with out it. Magnus the GPLrank folk have
> provided an invaluable service to the community but they make no
> pretence about being a club.
>
> Neither service is one that any of the drivers in leagues I'm involved
> with have been asking for.
>
> Worst case FILSCA scenario Asgeir: Irrelevancy.
>

"ymenard" > wrote in message
...
> >"David G Fisher" > wrote
> > Any more details about this "Federation"?
> >
> > My initial reaction to a developer of a sim also acting as a
"sanctioning
> > body" is skepticism. Why do I get the feeling it's going to be the old
> > papy
> > crowd crowning themselves kings of sim racing or some other nonsense.
:-)
> > --
> > David G Fisher
>
>
> I prefer my own "Federation of all-things-simracing-united". I declare
> myself the king, the tycoon, the magnate, the baron, the czar, the
emperor,
> the sovereign and of course the leader of this federation. All simulated
> leagues have to go within these rules :
>
> 1. You bow to me and my fascist rules (which are a simply copy/paste of
the
> Filsca ones)
> 2. You bow to me again after the qualification (with a preset message)
> 3. 10% of all your income goes to me
>
>
> Thank you have a nice day.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> -- François Ménard <ymenard>


I think I was part of something like this for awhile not too long ago. :-o


--
David G Fisher

"Steve Smith" > wrote in message
...

> I favor rich women and fast food myself.


In a pinch (and in moderation of course) fast women and rich food are also a
treat. ;o)

Elrikk

Bombshell wrote:

> Just wondered what people's thoughts were on the whole FILSCA thing?
>
> Good, bad, indifferent, never heard of it?
>
> Cheers.
>
> Bombshell.

I think they are on the right track. First and foremost in ANY NR2003
league should be the elimination of all performance enhancing driving aids.
Without a way to police specific aids the server should turn off all aids.
Auto Clutch is on anyway if you use sequntial shifting and the ideal line
is hardly ideal but all others should be turned off as they are nothing
more than CHEATS to give people that use em an unfair advantage. FILSCA is
so in line with my thinking that I think Im going to join

Mitch
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Bombshell wrote:
> Just wondered what people's thoughts were on the whole FILSCA thing?
>
> Good, bad, indifferent, never heard of it?
>
> Cheers.
>
> Bombshell.
>
>
Never heard of it.

Theres one person in FILSCA i dont cant figure out(probably 'bombshell').
Someone who is more there for himself rather than sim racing. Someone for
whom power and importance and a place at the very top of the community is
more important than forwarding the cause of sim racing.

Have i just talked myself into being kicked out of filsca?.....

But it's only a cheat if people are using the aids without disclosing
the fact. If it was an all-rookie all-aids league it would be a level
playing field.

So FILSCA bans "training wheel" leagues?!? Seems counter productive to
promoting the sport, sort of like banning T-ball to encourage little
league.

mcewena wrote:

> But it's only a cheat if people are using the aids without disclosing
> the fact. If it was an all-rookie all-aids league it would be a level
> playing field.
>
> So FILSCA bans "training wheel" leagues?!? Seems counter productive to
> promoting the sport, sort of like banning T-ball to encourage little
> league.

The problem lies within disclosure itself. No way to police whether guys
use aids or not. While I dont disagree with your assessment who is a
Simulation league supposed to cater to? Your bread and butter sim racer
(no aids, cockpit view) or the arcade bunch? Or to use your baseball
analogy, you go to see the Pro's play baseball yet when you arrive at the
ballpark all you see are tee-ball players on the field and therye all using
Composite triple wall bats and hitting em farther than the pros.


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mcewena wrote:

> No for the pro baseball analogy to work you'd have to use steroids in
> your example

LOL
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