Why does Bush go on vacation during war?

"Larry" > wrote in message news:Qne5e.18$B93.9@lakeread06...
> Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us...
>
> -Larry
>
> "Alan Bernardo" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>
> >I agree with the fact that oil flow has
>> to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush Administration,
>> that was not America's reason for entering the war.
>
>

Normally I don't top post, so I won't do it this time.

But that's the whole point, see. It didn't work out as planned, so far.

Alanb

"Alan Bernardo" > wrote in message
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>
> "Larry" > wrote in message news:Qne5e.18$B93.9@lakeread06...
> > Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us...
> >
> > -Larry
> >
> > "Alan Bernardo" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >
> > >I agree with the fact that oil flow has
> >> to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush Administration,
> >> that was not America's reason for entering the war.
> >
> >
>
> Normally I don't top post, so I won't do it this time.
>
> But that's the whole point, see. It didn't work out as planned, so far.
>
> Alanb

LOL.

Nothing that lying idiot has done in Iraq has worked out as planned.

Unless you found the WMD's? Two years late if you did, but it would still be
a start.


--
David G Fisher

Hey! They DID find WMD - it was reported on FOX news! They found them there
castor beans - three whole bags of it! And if castor beans are ingested by
terrorists, and they board a plane to New York, why the noxious gasses
produced from their bodily excretions would be enough to render the entire
plane unconscious or, worse, comatose! We were THAT close to global
disaster - and only dubya saved us from the doom of the castor beans!
"David G Fisher" > wrote in message
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>
> "Alan Bernardo" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Larry" > wrote in message
>> news:Qne5e.18$B93.9@lakeread06...
>> > Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us...
>> >
>> > -Larry
>> >
>> > "Alan Bernardo" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>
>> >
>> > >I agree with the fact that oil flow has
>> >> to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush Administration,
>> >> that was not America's reason for entering the war.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Normally I don't top post, so I won't do it this time.
>>
>> But that's the whole point, see. It didn't work out as planned, so far.
>>
>> Alanb
>
> LOL.
>
> Nothing that lying idiot has done in Iraq has worked out as planned.
>
> Unless you found the WMD's? Two years late if you did, but it would still
> be
> a start.
>
>
> --
> David G Fisher
>
>
>

You are a bonafide troll! you have nothing but bull**** to spew.. like it
is not blue states that have credit problem? grow up and visit again
someday, you ******.


alex martini enlightened us with:
> Well Plowboy, two things; one, I don't know what the hell you're
> talking about - kings? - I think you'll find most of the planet
> outside the US haven't had a king in a thousand years or more with
> any significant power - unlike your nation, where the Bush clan has
> been in power for 20 of the last 28 years ...
>
> second, you and I are in agreement that the credit loving red-staters
> will eventually bring your empire to its knees - it's a pity that you
> spent so much time listening to rush and savage and bush and have
> forgotten that there was once a social contract between the people of
> the US and its government - where the government was obliged to use
> the tax revenue for purposes other than foreign adventures;
>
> But it is senseless even arguing with you, Plowboy, because you really
> believe don't you ... that the US - whose "defense" spending amounts
> to 40% of all defense spending on the planet - needs to spend in the
> region of 500billion dollars a year (not including incedentals like
> Iraq eh) to defend themselves against a bunch of cave-dwellers with
> semi-automatics ... yes, Plowboy, undoubtedly you are right, social
> security means military security ... after all, rather old and poor
> than young and wearing a turban when al qaeda invade florida ...
>
> dear Plowboy, there was once a time when America understood not only
> its place in the world, but its place vis-a-vis its government; they
> are squandering your heritage and your future, dear Plowboy, and no
> amount of chest-beating on talk radio is going to save you from a
> retirement of cat food and unpaid medical bills ...
>
> Plowboy, remember that as you dismantle the great social contract of
> Jefferson and Roosevelt, you are dismantling what has made your
> nation great ... but what does it all mean, Plowboy, when foreigners
> like myself come to your nation and criticise ... why, I must be
> alone in rejecting your right-wing politics, and those other
> 40million who voted against you and your beloved leader - well I bet
> they too are foreigners ... am I right, Plowboy? Indeed, only you -
> and your acolytes screaming about nuking "Arabia" on right-wing radio
> are the true representatives of America ...
> "Plowboy" > wrote in message
> news:Nfe5e.11861$AL.5031@lakeread08...
>>
>> alex martini enlightened us with:
>>> Ah shucks Bill, thanks for the privilege - you RED Americans,
>>> sheesh, not only do ya bring liberation world wide, not only are
>>> y'all the beacons of shining conservatively compassionate freedom
>>> bringing uber-people, but ya even give me the wonderful gift of
>>> free-rubbish-talking -
>>
>> You talk about Pompus, f*ck me what did you call this **** you
>> write? If that country you were born in, was soo ****ing great, why you
>> here? would I dare guess that maybe there is better here where you
>> are at? Maybe you earn more money, let alone are being given more
>> out in welfare things, you know parks, only 1/3rd of your earnings
>> in taxes, nicer homes to choose from, better schools? maybe just
>> life in general you ****... That is, compared to where you were born
>> was what? please mr so eloquent, enlighten us with the stories of
>> no poverty, noone scared to dare say anything real or implied
>> against the 'ruling class' or government from that country you so
>> proud of? Here all you are faced with is you make a stupid comment
>> the govenrment aint gonna kill your sister-brother-cousins- or
>> babies, but by god, some of us here are prolly going to say DUMBASS!
>> you compare that to what again, some country? Jesus Chrysler you are
>> pompus... SO, All your troubles will be
>> gone, you think, give everything you earn to the government they
>> will treat you well, provide not only you but everyone with what we
>> all need... do it then, but leave me the f*ck alone because I (and
>> more like me) want more and are willing to work/sacrifice my sweat
>> and years of my life, to get it. Look at this goddam country's
>> population at our age (roughly 20-40 years of age), over half will
>> follow you, if they think the government will give them a goddam
>> HDTV big screen, 2 cars, and 2 bathrooms in every goddam home@! BUT
>> I argue only because I refuse ta accept that You're that stupid????
>> REALLY? 70% of this great country have NOT saved even $5000 dollars
>> towards
>> life after retirement, the damn same 70% thinks the government will
>> keep thier lifestyle as it is now (prime earning level ages of your
>> whole life) 70% of american spend a big % more $$ than they *earn*
>> each year, thanks to ****ing credit cards, and good old credit... You
>> people dont have even the survival mentality of cave men, back
>> when they had to kill to eat, people nowdays think they can eat 2
>> deer by killing one, where is the other deer and how'd you get it?
>>
>> Buying cars they cannot fathom the loss of money in it, to impress
>> people they dont even know or like... They like you are walking
>> around thinking like GOMER PYLE on Valuim, are going to get to where
>> they have to retire someday, and go "SHAZAM!!! I dont have any
>> money, the governement owes me the money!!! GIVE ME MORE MONEY!!!" If
>> you dont believe me, look at the Baby Boomers now!!!
>>
>> Oh well...
>> Apparenlty you can have it now, in New York, but not where you were
>> born? have you done it yet? How about the babies in that same
>> hospital ward you were in? What? you dont think like minded
>> people you look up to are living on "what the government feels they
>> need" do you? wait... take that back.... not to confuse you I
>> want you to be clear and not jaded. If you give up everything I mean
>> everything, you think the government will make you as happy as they
>> have seen fit to make the democrats of whom you agree, that you
>> support? I mean how do you justify you getting that kind of money
>> but maybe not me? You preaching ****... you do like kings and
>> decided you are better? least the way it is now you actually have
>> to prove you are stronger, smarter, and willing to do something to
>> be better (and get more) than the next person... But since your way is
>> the real truth, if so, and all they do is talk
>> about gettng the money and giving it to everyone, where does it come
>> from? I wish you would give up everything, see if it works... that
>> is soo funny. Please pick me to be the one you give millions too! thanks
>>> Why, in that primitive place where I was so unfortunate to have been
>>> born, rubbish-talking was practically a birth-right! Oh yes, Bill, I
>>> have such vivid memories of public floggings for non-rubbish-talkers
>>> - boy, had it not been for freedom-giving compassionate men like
>>> yourself, mano-a-mano in the good fight for freedom and Good itself,
>>> why we'd all still be babbling rubbish to this very day, can you
>>> imagine? Yes, Bill, had it not been for my sojourn as a wetback in
>>> america, I'd be talking so much rubbish and no-one would even tell
>>> me! I feel positively ashamed, Bill, to be sharing the same planet as a
>>> man of such learning, refinement and education as yourself - but
>>> Bill, - and I pray, don't stone me for my rubbish-talking here but
>>> ... don't you think it quite irrelevant whether the euroweenies buy
>>> your war-debts, or whether it is China and other Asian central banks
>>> that buy them?
>>> You see, Bill, one thing that you should consider, in all your
>>> glorious self-righteous perfection, is the scenario which is
>>> unfolding for the US economy as you sit there idly massaging your
>>> well-fed belly -
>>> The scenario which sees China getting a bit weary of buying your
>>> debt, Bill, because the dollar is deflating faster than the
>>> Hindenburg ... and how long, Bill, do you think, in all your
>>> glittering pomposity, before the Chinese start selling their US
>>> Bonds, Bill, with the net result, Bill, that the dollar bill, Bill,
>>> starts free-falling like a broker on Wall Street on a Thursday
>>> afternoon ...
>>> See, Bill, what happens then is that your interest rates rise faster
>>> than one of your conservative americans on an overdose of viagra
>>> (and don't forget to call your doctor if your erection lasts longer
>>> than a week), which means, Bill, that your 'theory' of US growth
>>> (at 3-4%), becomes about as likely as the Bush doctrine is of
>>> bringing democracy and freedom to the Middle East ... but of
>>> course, I am talking rubbish Bill, already you can see demcracy taking
>>> root eh! Oh yes
>>> indeed ...
>>> But tell me Bill, do you not think - along with all the other
>>> rubbish talkers - that with the dollar plunging like your Beloved
>>> Leader on one of his alcoholic binges (but, no, Bill, he choked on a
>>> pretzel
>>> because he was sober!), the US will have no choice but to raise
>>> interest rates into the teens?
>>>
>>> And when that happens, Bill, don't you think your Euro and Chinese
>>> enemies will begin to wonder how, exactly, you're going to buy back
>>> your war debt?
>>> And then, Bill, then ... oh but let's not startle our good red
>>> americans with such uncomfortable facts eh - why, one would statrt
>>> thinking about argentina ...
>>>
>>> See, Bill, others, unlike yourself (clearly well-versed in these
>>> matters), like irrelevant rubbish-talking institutions such as the
>>> IMF and World Bank, have already noted their alarm at the US foreign
>>> debt ... but they, like me, must be talking rubbish, Bill, and only
>>> you and dubya really know the 'truth' of irrelevant matters such as
>>> - how do you intend to pay for the baby boomers' retirement, medical
>>> care, etc. ...
>>> Yes, Bill, only you, Dubya, and Fox-ites know the 'real' truth, the
>>> rest of us, sadly, are consigned to the rubbish heap of history ...
>>>
>>> Indeed, Bill, one would - were it not you saying it - think it quite
>>> astonishing that the fact that the US now owes more than 30% of its
>>> GDP in foreign debt is just a little fly on the belly of the beast
>>> that is the US economy.
>>>
>>> Yes, Bill, were it from any authority but you, one would almost
>>> think it lunacy that one can brush brush aside any concern that - were
>>> the
>>> US to sustain a growth of 3.2% - achievable only, Bill, ONLY, if the
>>> rest of the world's economies grew at a sustained 4% and that the
>>> dollar, Bill, remains at levels last seen in August 2004 - your
>>> financial deficit with the world, Bill, would be the insignificant
>>> sum of 50% of GDP ...
>>> Yes Bill, were it not for you, Fox and Dubya saying so, why there'd
>>> be panic on the (wall) street and people would be selling dollars
>>> faster than my lamborghini in GTR ...
>>>
>>> Yep, Bill, if anyone other than you had to make the claim that the
>>> US economy would continue to rise at 3.2% while the weakening
>>> dollar was smashing the economies of your major trading partners -
>>> well, I'd think it madness. But Bill, you are the authority, and I bow
>>> to your
>>> expertise in voodoo economics.
>>>
>>> After all Bill, only by reducing the dollar will there be any chance
>>> of getting this wonderfully irrelevant one trillion dollar debt
>>> under control - even Bush said so, and he knows his stuff Bill, am
>>> I right? - Which is why the dollar is deflating as we speak, and
>>> why it has dropped by an average of 17% against all its major
>>> trading partners ...
>>> But see, Bill, there's a little problem with this cunning ploy ...
>>> while a (projected) 23% some percent drop in the dollar over the
>>> next four years of your beloved leader's reign as king of the world
>>> will see the foreign debt reduce(reduce, Bill, not vanish, because of
>>> the
>>> rise in exports), there are other problems to a deflating dollar ...
>>> namely, Bill, that the economic chaos that this will cause to your
>>> major trading partners will eventually loop back to the US, you see
>>> Bill, because they will no longer be able to afford your exports ...
>>> and as for imports, Bill, well let's say your BMW (you do own a
>>> foreign car, don't you Bill?) will become rather expensive , which
>>> means more economic woe for that troublesome non-american swine
>>> called your trading partners - all of whom, Bill, retain US IOUs -
>>> and they might, Bill, even be reduced to selling them back to you -
>>> which means, Bill, another looping increase in interest rates, and a
>>> further deflation of the dollar, and a further weakening of the
>>> global economies that MUST, Bill, rise at 4% per annum in order for
>>> you, Bill, to pay your war-debt ...
>>> The dollar's drop, Bill, caused VW a 68% decline in revenue ...
>>>
>>> See, Bill, the deflation of the US dollar in order to pay for your
>>> blood-lust (commonly known as your foreign debt), results in a
>>> slow-down in Japan and European economies, Bill, which reduces the
>>> foreign capital that comes into the US, Bill, thereby wrecking your
>>> sustained growth, Bill, of the 3.2% neccessary to pay off the
>>> foreign debt Bill, which means, Bill, that your happy-clappy
>>> understanding of economics is ... well, let's call it exotic, shall
>>> we? See, Bill, with the baby boomers retiring, the constant price of
>>> war, the deflating dollar, the world's economy slowing down, the
>>> central banks divesting themselves of the US dollar as reserve
>>> cuurency ... well, Bob, were it not you saying so, I'd be thinking
>>> the US is up ****-creek, mate, and your paddle - the Chinese - may
>>> just be thinking this is a good time to annex Taiwan -
>>>
>>> There is a reason why that other foreigner, Bill, Soros, that
>>> traiterous foreigner, has been dumping dollars like an African baby
>>> with dysentry (yes, Bill, the US alone decided not to relieve
>>> Africa's foreign debt, Bill, because you care so much about the
>>> 'little' people of the world, don't you, my little compassionate
>>> conservative friend?).
>>> But Bill, what came above, all that rubbish, was the BEST case
>>> scenario - that's right, Bill - because we haven't even touched on
>>> the worst case scenario, have we - and believe it or not, it
>>> involves them "towel-heads" so beloved by the white house and the
>>> freedom givers itching to bring democracy or death (and hell they're the
>>> same thing as far as them foreigners are concerned, am I right
>>> Bill?) to an expectant world -
>>> See, Bill, a constant decline in the US dollars means a concomitant
>>> decline in foreign investors in the US, and really, Bill, who,
>>> besides you, would want to invest ten bucks and get five bucks back
>>> - certainly not rubbish talkers like myself old man; why, germany
>>> and japan having their stuttering economies ko'd by a strengthening
>>> euro and yen is positvely good news, isn't it, Bill, and that will teach
>>> em germans not to invade the world alongside dubya and his merry
>>> band of freedom giving acolytes ...
>>> But as usual there is a little problem Bill - see, what happens if
>>> the foreign investors in the US, Bill, decide to sell their US
>>> securities because they have become a little annoyed at losing
>>> money (negative interest rates which, Bill, in case you didn't get
>>> the brief, is what is happening now) and no longer believe the dollar is
>>> sustainable
>>> even at its current weak levels (lowest since 1992 Bill)? ...
>>>
>>> Yes, Bill, what happens is that the dollar will get the
>>> bitch-slapping of all bitch-slappings and before you can say
>>> argentina, you'll be loading up your pick-up with greenbacks (as
>>> opposed them pesky wetbacks, eh, Bill, for surely you must be one of
>>> them there minutemen, am I right?) to go to the grocery store for
>>> your six-pack ...
>>> But this, Bill, all of this is the good news, isn't it ... because
>>> what dubya and fox and you aren't telling your red-american
>>> brethren, foaming at the mouth at the prospect of more war (I mean
>>> liberation!) is the REALLY good news ...
>>>
>>> The imminent collapse, Bill, of the dollar as the reserve currency
>>> of choice ... and that, Bill, is the sole and only reason why the US
>>> economy can function, Bill, as you may well even know (but I must be
>>> talking rubbish, am I right Bill?) in total dysfuncionality to any
>>> and all market theories - and why is that Bill?
>>>
>>> Well, Bill, at the risk of talking more rubbish, it is beacuse the
>>> US is such a poor exporter ... (now why, Bill, did the dollar devalue
>>> so much?) - and as such, Bill, the only way it can sustain its
>>> lobsided economy is to offer its trading partners (them there
>>> foreigners again Bill, doncha just hate em!) a nice return on their
>>> (US) investments ... but you see, Bill, the US has, in fact, the
>>> lowest real interest rates on the industrialised planet -
>>>
>>> And, see, Bill, this, coupled with what many view as an
>>> over-inflated stock-market and real-estate market, means that your
>>> foreign investor is not interested in investing in the US any longer
>>> (not to mention
>>> such added things as political loathing of your right-wing junta) -
>>> and that, Bill, means that the dollar, as the world's resrrve
>>> currency, is very quickly coming to an abrupt and definitive end -
>>> and you know what that means, don't you Bill, for the US economy -
>>> it means the US citizen will, once again, have to practice economics
>>> that applies world wide Bill - a very scary proposition, don't you
>>> think, Bill, for a nation so enamoured with debt ... and what with
>>> those oil prices constantly rising despite your glorious victory in
>>> Iraq ....
>>> But heck, I am only talking rubbish old boy - after all, the dollar
>>> is always going to be the reserve currency of foreign central
>>> banks, am I right, Bill? Yes sir, them pesty Asians that have begun
>>> talking about dropping the dollar - well, they're just gooks, am I
>>> right, Bill, and if they keep it up you'll go My Lai on their yella
>>> butts - am I
>>> right Bill? Ya betcha ...
>>>
>>> But Bill, you always have them towel-heads at opec selling their oil
>>> in dollars, am I right? The fact that the U.S. dollar-denominated
>>> deposits fell from 75 percent of total deposits in the third quarter
>>> of 2001 to 61.5 percent in the first quarter of 2002 (before the
>>> war) while the share of Euro denominated deposits rose from 12
>>> percent to 20 percent over this same period is in no way indicative
>>> of opec deciding to cut their losses and start trading in euro (or
>>> even dinars linked to gold - oh surely not eh Bill!) for oil - no
>>> sir, Bill, that there - like the rest of it - is all rubbish.
>>>
>>> Yes sir, Bill. Only you, Dubya, and the red states - all of whom
>>> exist solely from the immoral donations from blue states - like me,
>>> Bill, and a foreigner to boot, would ya believe - only you guys know the
>>> 'real' truth about the US economy. Yes suh.
>>>
>>> The rest of us. We're just rubbish talkers.
>>>
>>> Enjoy the ride Bill; ol Dubya has you covered. And remember, social
>>> security is communist - and you're better dead (and starving through
>>> your old age) than red (as in commie red, not begging-bowl
>>> red-state-red).
>>>
>>>
>>> Bollinger" > wrote in message
>>> m...
>>>> Well Alex, first off the maximum maturity date on all treasury
>>>> bonds currently being offered is 20 years. A few years ago it was
>>>> out to 30 years, therefore, to say we will pay for it forever is
>>>> incorrect. 2nd, if we have a GDP growth rate of 3-4% over the next
>>>> 20 years, the rates we are paying today is peanuts. 3rd, the
>>>> euroweenies provide hardly any of what you call "war funds" (Do
>>>> you even know who buys most of the US Debt?). Lastly, you may want
>>>> to channel this energy in a more positive way and thank god that
>>>> you live in a country that allows you to spout this rubbish in a
>>>> public fashion. Bill Bollinger
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "alex martini" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Glad you think a trillion dollar debt is peanuts - but hey, you're
>>>>> gonna pay for it - and the interest - for the rest of your life,
>>>>> not to mention your kids too, so have fun and don't forget to
>>>>> thank the euroweenies for providing your war funds - and while
>>>>> you're at it, enjoy your social security - it's currently being
>>>>> used to bring democracy and freedom to an ungrteful world.
>>>>> Whatcha gonna do, some people eh! Next thing you know, the US'll
>>>>> go bankrupt just like all empires before it, and all to bring
>>>>> democracy to the world - yes, white man's burdern, ain't it a
>>>>> bitch! "Bill Bollinger" > wrote in
>>>>> message om...
>>>>>> 1 trillion dollard foreign debt is penuts when your GDP is over 6
>>>>>> trillion per year
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Bollinger
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "alex martini" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> So does this potent military running on a 1 trillion dollar
>>>>>>> foreign debt thinking about invading a nation other than a third
>>>>>>> world backwater?
>>>>>>> "Tiny Lund" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "artie beamer" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> . ..
>>>>>>>>> What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been
>>>>>>>>> no terror alerts after the election ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very simple answer: When war is being waged and won by the
>>>>>>>> most potent and technologically advanced military in the
>>>>>>>> world, the threat decreases. It may have happened sooner, but
>>>>>>>> there were 8 years in the 90's of failed leadership, that left
>>>>>>>> the intelligence community impotent, and the military weak.

Sure ****head, I'll visit your trailer jus as soon as your momma leaves, ya
tosser.
"Plowboy" > wrote in message
news:EZg5e.11950$AL.5240@lakeread08...
> You are a bonafide troll! you have nothing but bull**** to spew.. like it
> is not blue states that have credit problem? grow up and visit again
> someday, you ******.
>
>
> alex martini enlightened us with:
>> Well Plowboy, two things; one, I don't know what the hell you're
>> talking about - kings? - I think you'll find most of the planet
>> outside the US haven't had a king in a thousand years or more with
>> any significant power - unlike your nation, where the Bush clan has
>> been in power for 20 of the last 28 years ...
>>
>> second, you and I are in agreement that the credit loving red-staters
>> will eventually bring your empire to its knees - it's a pity that you
>> spent so much time listening to rush and savage and bush and have
>> forgotten that there was once a social contract between the people of
>> the US and its government - where the government was obliged to use
>> the tax revenue for purposes other than foreign adventures;
>>
>> But it is senseless even arguing with you, Plowboy, because you really
>> believe don't you ... that the US - whose "defense" spending amounts
>> to 40% of all defense spending on the planet - needs to spend in the
>> region of 500billion dollars a year (not including incedentals like
>> Iraq eh) to defend themselves against a bunch of cave-dwellers with
>> semi-automatics ... yes, Plowboy, undoubtedly you are right, social
>> security means military security ... after all, rather old and poor
>> than young and wearing a turban when al qaeda invade florida ...
>>
>> dear Plowboy, there was once a time when America understood not only
>> its place in the world, but its place vis-a-vis its government; they
>> are squandering your heritage and your future, dear Plowboy, and no
>> amount of chest-beating on talk radio is going to save you from a
>> retirement of cat food and unpaid medical bills ...
>>
>> Plowboy, remember that as you dismantle the great social contract of
>> Jefferson and Roosevelt, you are dismantling what has made your
>> nation great ... but what does it all mean, Plowboy, when foreigners
>> like myself come to your nation and criticise ... why, I must be
>> alone in rejecting your right-wing politics, and those other
>> 40million who voted against you and your beloved leader - well I bet
>> they too are foreigners ... am I right, Plowboy? Indeed, only you -
>> and your acolytes screaming about nuking "Arabia" on right-wing radio
>> are the true representatives of America ...
>> "Plowboy" > wrote in message
>> news:Nfe5e.11861$AL.5031@lakeread08...
>>>
>>> alex martini enlightened us with:
>>>> Ah shucks Bill, thanks for the privilege - you RED Americans,
>>>> sheesh, not only do ya bring liberation world wide, not only are
>>>> y'all the beacons of shining conservatively compassionate freedom
>>>> bringing uber-people, but ya even give me the wonderful gift of
>>>> free-rubbish-talking -
>>>
>>> You talk about Pompus, f*ck me what did you call this **** you
>>> write? If that country you were born in, was soo ****ing great, why you
>>> here? would I dare guess that maybe there is better here where you
>>> are at? Maybe you earn more money, let alone are being given more
>>> out in welfare things, you know parks, only 1/3rd of your earnings
>>> in taxes, nicer homes to choose from, better schools? maybe just
>>> life in general you ****... That is, compared to where you were born
>>> was what? please mr so eloquent, enlighten us with the stories of
>>> no poverty, noone scared to dare say anything real or implied
>>> against the 'ruling class' or government from that country you so
>>> proud of? Here all you are faced with is you make a stupid comment
>>> the govenrment aint gonna kill your sister-brother-cousins- or
>>> babies, but by god, some of us here are prolly going to say DUMBASS!
>>> you compare that to what again, some country? Jesus Chrysler you are
>>> pompus... SO, All your troubles will be
>>> gone, you think, give everything you earn to the government they
>>> will treat you well, provide not only you but everyone with what we
>>> all need... do it then, but leave me the f*ck alone because I (and
>>> more like me) want more and are willing to work/sacrifice my sweat
>>> and years of my life, to get it. Look at this goddam country's
>>> population at our age (roughly 20-40 years of age), over half will
>>> follow you, if they think the government will give them a goddam
>>> HDTV big screen, 2 cars, and 2 bathrooms in every goddam home@! BUT
>>> I argue only because I refuse ta accept that You're that stupid????
>>> REALLY? 70% of this great country have NOT saved even $5000 dollars
>>> towards
>>> life after retirement, the damn same 70% thinks the government will
>>> keep thier lifestyle as it is now (prime earning level ages of your
>>> whole life) 70% of american spend a big % more $$ than they *earn*
>>> each year, thanks to ****ing credit cards, and good old credit... You
>>> people dont have even the survival mentality of cave men, back
>>> when they had to kill to eat, people nowdays think they can eat 2
>>> deer by killing one, where is the other deer and how'd you get it?
>>>
>>> Buying cars they cannot fathom the loss of money in it, to impress
>>> people they dont even know or like... They like you are walking
>>> around thinking like GOMER PYLE on Valuim, are going to get to where
>>> they have to retire someday, and go "SHAZAM!!! I dont have any
>>> money, the governement owes me the money!!! GIVE ME MORE MONEY!!!" If
>>> you dont believe me, look at the Baby Boomers now!!!
>>>
>>> Oh well...
>>> Apparenlty you can have it now, in New York, but not where you were
>>> born? have you done it yet? How about the babies in that same
>>> hospital ward you were in? What? you dont think like minded
>>> people you look up to are living on "what the government feels they
>>> need" do you? wait... take that back.... not to confuse you I
>>> want you to be clear and not jaded. If you give up everything I mean
>>> everything, you think the government will make you as happy as they
>>> have seen fit to make the democrats of whom you agree, that you
>>> support? I mean how do you justify you getting that kind of money
>>> but maybe not me? You preaching ****... you do like kings and
>>> decided you are better? least the way it is now you actually have
>>> to prove you are stronger, smarter, and willing to do something to
>>> be better (and get more) than the next person... But since your way is
>>> the real truth, if so, and all they do is talk
>>> about gettng the money and giving it to everyone, where does it come
>>> from? I wish you would give up everything, see if it works... that
>>> is soo funny. Please pick me to be the one you give millions too! thanks
>>>> Why, in that primitive place where I was so unfortunate to have been
>>>> born, rubbish-talking was practically a birth-right! Oh yes, Bill, I
>>>> have such vivid memories of public floggings for non-rubbish-talkers
>>>> - boy, had it not been for freedom-giving compassionate men like
>>>> yourself, mano-a-mano in the good fight for freedom and Good itself,
>>>> why we'd all still be babbling rubbish to this very day, can you
>>>> imagine? Yes, Bill, had it not been for my sojourn as a wetback in
>>>> america, I'd be talking so much rubbish and no-one would even tell
>>>> me! I feel positively ashamed, Bill, to be sharing the same planet as a
>>>> man of such learning, refinement and education as yourself - but
>>>> Bill, - and I pray, don't stone me for my rubbish-talking here but
>>>> ... don't you think it quite irrelevant whether the euroweenies buy
>>>> your war-debts, or whether it is China and other Asian central banks
>>>> that buy them?
>>>> You see, Bill, one thing that you should consider, in all your
>>>> glorious self-righteous perfection, is the scenario which is
>>>> unfolding for the US economy as you sit there idly massaging your
>>>> well-fed belly -
>>>> The scenario which sees China getting a bit weary of buying your
>>>> debt, Bill, because the dollar is deflating faster than the
>>>> Hindenburg ... and how long, Bill, do you think, in all your
>>>> glittering pomposity, before the Chinese start selling their US
>>>> Bonds, Bill, with the net result, Bill, that the dollar bill, Bill,
>>>> starts free-falling like a broker on Wall Street on a Thursday
>>>> afternoon ...
>>>> See, Bill, what happens then is that your interest rates rise faster
>>>> than one of your conservative americans on an overdose of viagra
>>>> (and don't forget to call your doctor if your erection lasts longer
>>>> than a week), which means, Bill, that your 'theory' of US growth
>>>> (at 3-4%), becomes about as likely as the Bush doctrine is of
>>>> bringing democracy and freedom to the Middle East ... but of
>>>> course, I am talking rubbish Bill, already you can see demcracy taking
>>>> root eh! Oh yes
>>>> indeed ...
>>>> But tell me Bill, do you not think - along with all the other
>>>> rubbish talkers - that with the dollar plunging like your Beloved
>>>> Leader on one of his alcoholic binges (but, no, Bill, he choked on a
>>>> pretzel
>>>> because he was sober!), the US will have no choice but to raise
>>>> interest rates into the teens?
>>>>
>>>> And when that happens, Bill, don't you think your Euro and Chinese
>>>> enemies will begin to wonder how, exactly, you're going to buy back
>>>> your war debt?
>>>> And then, Bill, then ... oh but let's not startle our good red
>>>> americans with such uncomfortable facts eh - why, one would statrt
>>>> thinking about argentina ...
>>>>
>>>> See, Bill, others, unlike yourself (clearly well-versed in these
>>>> matters), like irrelevant rubbish-talking institutions such as the
>>>> IMF and World Bank, have already noted their alarm at the US foreign
>>>> debt ... but they, like me, must be talking rubbish, Bill, and only
>>>> you and dubya really know the 'truth' of irrelevant matters such as
>>>> - how do you intend to pay for the baby boomers' retirement, medical
>>>> care, etc. ...
>>>> Yes, Bill, only you, Dubya, and Fox-ites know the 'real' truth, the
>>>> rest of us, sadly, are consigned to the rubbish heap of history ...
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, Bill, one would - were it not you saying it - think it quite
>>>> astonishing that the fact that the US now owes more than 30% of its
>>>> GDP in foreign debt is just a little fly on the belly of the beast
>>>> that is the US economy.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Bill, were it from any authority but you, one would almost
>>>> think it lunacy that one can brush brush aside any concern that - were
>>>> the
>>>> US to sustain a growth of 3.2% - achievable only, Bill, ONLY, if the
>>>> rest of the world's economies grew at a sustained 4% and that the
>>>> dollar, Bill, remains at levels last seen in August 2004 - your
>>>> financial deficit with the world, Bill, would be the insignificant
>>>> sum of 50% of GDP ...
>>>> Yes Bill, were it not for you, Fox and Dubya saying so, why there'd
>>>> be panic on the (wall) street and people would be selling dollars
>>>> faster than my lamborghini in GTR ...
>>>>
>>>> Yep, Bill, if anyone other than you had to make the claim that the
>>>> US economy would continue to rise at 3.2% while the weakening
>>>> dollar was smashing the economies of your major trading partners -
>>>> well, I'd think it madness. But Bill, you are the authority, and I bow
>>>> to your
>>>> expertise in voodoo economics.
>>>>
>>>> After all Bill, only by reducing the dollar will there be any chance
>>>> of getting this wonderfully irrelevant one trillion dollar debt
>>>> under control - even Bush said so, and he knows his stuff Bill, am
>>>> I right? - Which is why the dollar is deflating as we speak, and
>>>> why it has dropped by an average of 17% against all its major
>>>> trading partners ...
>>>> But see, Bill, there's a little problem with this cunning ploy ...
>>>> while a (projected) 23% some percent drop in the dollar over the
>>>> next four years of your beloved leader's reign as king of the world
>>>> will see the foreign debt reduce(reduce, Bill, not vanish, because of
>>>> the
>>>> rise in exports), there are other problems to a deflating dollar ...
>>>> namely, Bill, that the economic chaos that this will cause to your
>>>> major trading partners will eventually loop back to the US, you see
>>>> Bill, because they will no longer be able to afford your exports ...
>>>> and as for imports, Bill, well let's say your BMW (you do own a
>>>> foreign car, don't you Bill?) will become rather expensive , which
>>>> means more economic woe for that troublesome non-american swine
>>>> called your trading partners - all of whom, Bill, retain US IOUs -
>>>> and they might, Bill, even be reduced to selling them back to you -
>>>> which means, Bill, another looping increase in interest rates, and a
>>>> further deflation of the dollar, and a further weakening of the
>>>> global economies that MUST, Bill, rise at 4% per annum in order for
>>>> you, Bill, to pay your war-debt ...
>>>> The dollar's drop, Bill, caused VW a 68% decline in revenue ...
>>>>
>>>> See, Bill, the deflation of the US dollar in order to pay for your
>>>> blood-lust (commonly known as your foreign debt), results in a
>>>> slow-down in Japan and European economies, Bill, which reduces the
>>>> foreign capital that comes into the US, Bill, thereby wrecking your
>>>> sustained growth, Bill, of the 3.2% neccessary to pay off the
>>>> foreign debt Bill, which means, Bill, that your happy-clappy
>>>> understanding of economics is ... well, let's call it exotic, shall
>>>> we? See, Bill, with the baby boomers retiring, the constant price of
>>>> war, the deflating dollar, the world's economy slowing down, the
>>>> central banks divesting themselves of the US dollar as reserve
>>>> cuurency ... well, Bob, were it not you saying so, I'd be thinking
>>>> the US is up ****-creek, mate, and your paddle - the Chinese - may
>>>> just be thinking this is a good time to annex Taiwan -
>>>>
>>>> There is a reason why that other foreigner, Bill, Soros, that
>>>> traiterous foreigner, has been dumping dollars like an African baby
>>>> with dysentry (yes, Bill, the US alone decided not to relieve
>>>> Africa's foreign debt, Bill, because you care so much about the
>>>> 'little' people of the world, don't you, my little compassionate
>>>> conservative friend?).
>>>> But Bill, what came above, all that rubbish, was the BEST case
>>>> scenario - that's right, Bill - because we haven't even touched on
>>>> the worst case scenario, have we - and believe it or not, it
>>>> involves them "towel-heads" so beloved by the white house and the
>>>> freedom givers itching to bring democracy or death (and hell they're
>>>> the
>>>> same thing as far as them foreigners are concerned, am I right
>>>> Bill?) to an expectant world -
>>>> See, Bill, a constant decline in the US dollars means a concomitant
>>>> decline in foreign investors in the US, and really, Bill, who,
>>>> besides you, would want to invest ten bucks and get five bucks back
>>>> - certainly not rubbish talkers like myself old man; why, germany
>>>> and japan having their stuttering economies ko'd by a strengthening
>>>> euro and yen is positvely good news, isn't it, Bill, and that will
>>>> teach
>>>> em germans not to invade the world alongside dubya and his merry
>>>> band of freedom giving acolytes ...
>>>> But as usual there is a little problem Bill - see, what happens if
>>>> the foreign investors in the US, Bill, decide to sell their US
>>>> securities because they have become a little annoyed at losing
>>>> money (negative interest rates which, Bill, in case you didn't get
>>>> the brief, is what is happening now) and no longer believe the dollar
>>>> is sustainable
>>>> even at its current weak levels (lowest since 1992 Bill)? ...
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Bill, what happens is that the dollar will get the
>>>> bitch-slapping of all bitch-slappings and before you can say
>>>> argentina, you'll be loading up your pick-up with greenbacks (as
>>>> opposed them pesky wetbacks, eh, Bill, for surely you must be one of
>>>> them there minutemen, am I right?) to go to the grocery store for
>>>> your six-pack ...
>>>> But this, Bill, all of this is the good news, isn't it ... because
>>>> what dubya and fox and you aren't telling your red-american
>>>> brethren, foaming at the mouth at the prospect of more war (I mean
>>>> liberation!) is the REALLY good news ...
>>>>
>>>> The imminent collapse, Bill, of the dollar as the reserve currency
>>>> of choice ... and that, Bill, is the sole and only reason why the US
>>>> economy can function, Bill, as you may well even know (but I must be
>>>> talking rubbish, am I right Bill?) in total dysfuncionality to any
>>>> and all market theories - and why is that Bill?
>>>>
>>>> Well, Bill, at the risk of talking more rubbish, it is beacuse the
>>>> US is such a poor exporter ... (now why, Bill, did the dollar devalue
>>>> so much?) - and as such, Bill, the only way it can sustain its
>>>> lobsided economy is to offer its trading partners (them there
>>>> foreigners again Bill, doncha just hate em!) a nice return on their
>>>> (US) investments ... but you see, Bill, the US has, in fact, the
>>>> lowest real interest rates on the industrialised planet -
>>>>
>>>> And, see, Bill, this, coupled with what many view as an
>>>> over-inflated stock-market and real-estate market, means that your
>>>> foreign investor is not interested in investing in the US any longer
>>>> (not to mention
>>>> such added things as political loathing of your right-wing junta) -
>>>> and that, Bill, means that the dollar, as the world's resrrve
>>>> currency, is very quickly coming to an abrupt and definitive end -
>>>> and you know what that means, don't you Bill, for the US economy -
>>>> it means the US citizen will, once again, have to practice economics
>>>> that applies world wide Bill - a very scary proposition, don't you
>>>> think, Bill, for a nation so enamoured with debt ... and what with
>>>> those oil prices constantly rising despite your glorious victory in
>>>> Iraq ....
>>>> But heck, I am only talking rubbish old boy - after all, the dollar
>>>> is always going to be the reserve currency of foreign central
>>>> banks, am I right, Bill? Yes sir, them pesty Asians that have begun
>>>> talking about dropping the dollar - well, they're just gooks, am I
>>>> right, Bill, and if they keep it up you'll go My Lai on their yella
>>>> butts - am I
>>>> right Bill? Ya betcha ...
>>>>
>>>> But Bill, you always have them towel-heads at opec selling their oil
>>>> in dollars, am I right? The fact that the U.S. dollar-denominated
>>>> deposits fell from 75 percent of total deposits in the third quarter
>>>> of 2001 to 61.5 percent in the first quarter of 2002 (before the
>>>> war) while the share of Euro denominated deposits rose from 12
>>>> percent to 20 percent over this same period is in no way indicative
>>>> of opec deciding to cut their losses and start trading in euro (or
>>>> even dinars linked to gold - oh surely not eh Bill!) for oil - no
>>>> sir, Bill, that there - like the rest of it - is all rubbish.
>>>>
>>>> Yes sir, Bill. Only you, Dubya, and the red states - all of whom
>>>> exist solely from the immoral donations from blue states - like me,
>>>> Bill, and a foreigner to boot, would ya believe - only you guys know
>>>> the
>>>> 'real' truth about the US economy. Yes suh.
>>>>
>>>> The rest of us. We're just rubbish talkers.
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy the ride Bill; ol Dubya has you covered. And remember, social
>>>> security is communist - and you're better dead (and starving through
>>>> your old age) than red (as in commie red, not begging-bowl
>>>> red-state-red).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bollinger" > wrote in message
>>>> m...
>>>>> Well Alex, first off the maximum maturity date on all treasury
>>>>> bonds currently being offered is 20 years. A few years ago it was
>>>>> out to 30 years, therefore, to say we will pay for it forever is
>>>>> incorrect. 2nd, if we have a GDP growth rate of 3-4% over the next
>>>>> 20 years, the rates we are paying today is peanuts. 3rd, the
>>>>> euroweenies provide hardly any of what you call "war funds" (Do
>>>>> you even know who buys most of the US Debt?). Lastly, you may want
>>>>> to channel this energy in a more positive way and thank god that
>>>>> you live in a country that allows you to spout this rubbish in a
>>>>> public fashion. Bill Bollinger
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "alex martini" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Glad you think a trillion dollar debt is peanuts - but hey, you're
>>>>>> gonna pay for it - and the interest - for the rest of your life,
>>>>>> not to mention your kids too, so have fun and don't forget to
>>>>>> thank the euroweenies for providing your war funds - and while
>>>>>> you're at it, enjoy your social security - it's currently being
>>>>>> used to bring democracy and freedom to an ungrteful world.
>>>>>> Whatcha gonna do, some people eh! Next thing you know, the US'll
>>>>>> go bankrupt just like all empires before it, and all to bring
>>>>>> democracy to the world - yes, white man's burdern, ain't it a
>>>>>> bitch! "Bill Bollinger" > wrote in
>>>>>> message om...
>>>>>>> 1 trillion dollard foreign debt is penuts when your GDP is over 6
>>>>>>> trillion per year
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Bollinger
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "alex martini" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> So does this potent military running on a 1 trillion dollar
>>>>>>>> foreign debt thinking about invading a nation other than a third
>>>>>>>> world backwater?
>>>>>>>> "Tiny Lund" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "artie beamer" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> . ..
>>>>>>>>>> What happened to the war on terror? How come there have been
>>>>>>>>>> no terror alerts after the election ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very simple answer: When war is being waged and won by the
>>>>>>>>> most potent and technologically advanced military in the
>>>>>>>>> world, the threat decreases. It may have happened sooner, but
>>>>>>>>> there were 8 years in the 90's of failed leadership, that left
>>>>>>>>> the intelligence community impotent, and the military weak.
>
>

All the activist have is "SEE, NO WMD SO NOTHING ELSE MATTERS". No WMD is
such a typical and very sad politically motivated excuse for blinding
yourself to everything good that has happened in Iraq. Do you realize this
nonsense makes everything else you do look similarly marginal?

So Iraq didnt have WMD at the time we invaded. Can you look me in the eyes
and honestly tell me Saddam never had them? Yea, the Kirds being gassed was
a right wing conspiracy <rolls eyes>...

Has it been perfect? I never said it was and any reasonable person knows
this. But to look at the entire situation in Iraq and the greater Middle
East and say things arent better now than 2 years ago is plain and simple,
irrational bordering on delusional. We saw what 8 years of inactivity got
us and this way works much better.

Mitch


"David G Fisher" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Alan Bernardo" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Larry" > wrote in message
>> news:Qne5e.18$B93.9@lakeread06...
>> > Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us...
>> >
>> > -Larry
>> >
>> > "Alan Bernardo" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>
>> >
>> > >I agree with the fact that oil flow has
>> >> to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush Administration,
>> >> that was not America's reason for entering the war.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Normally I don't top post, so I won't do it this time.
>>
>> But that's the whole point, see. It didn't work out as planned, so far.
>>
>> Alanb
>
> LOL.
>
> Nothing that lying idiot has done in Iraq has worked out as planned.
>
> Unless you found the WMD's? Two years late if you did, but it would still
> be
> a start.
>
>
> --
> David G Fisher
>
>
>

"We saw what 8 years of inactivity got us and this way works much better"

Yes, got us a Saddam without the means to kill his neighbours. And no-one
was mass-murdering Iraqis on the streets. Yes, much better now with 100,000
Iraqi civilians dead for sure.


"Mitch_A" > wrote in message
om...
> All the activist have is "SEE, NO WMD SO NOTHING ELSE MATTERS". No WMD
> is such a typical and very sad politically motivated excuse for blinding
> yourself to everything good that has happened in Iraq. Do you realize
> this nonsense makes everything else you do look similarly marginal?
>
> So Iraq didnt have WMD at the time we invaded. Can you look me in the
> eyes and honestly tell me Saddam never had them? Yea, the Kirds being
> gassed was a right wing conspiracy <rolls eyes>...
>
> Has it been perfect? I never said it was and any reasonable person knows
> this. But to look at the entire situation in Iraq and the greater Middle
> East and say things arent better now than 2 years ago is plain and simple,
> irrational bordering on delusional. We saw what 8 years of inactivity got
> us and this way works much better.
>
> Mitch
>
>
> "David G Fisher" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Alan Bernardo" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Larry" > wrote in message
>>> news:Qne5e.18$B93.9@lakeread06...
>>> > Yeah, that sure has worked out well for us...
>>> >
>>> > -Larry
>>> >
>>> > "Alan Bernardo" > wrote in message
>>> > ...
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > >I agree with the fact that oil flow has
>>> >> to be secure in the region, but, according to the Bush
>>> >> Administration,
>>> >> that was not America's reason for entering the war.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> Normally I don't top post, so I won't do it this time.
>>>
>>> But that's the whole point, see. It didn't work out as planned, so far.
>>>
>>> Alanb
>>
>> LOL.
>>
>> Nothing that lying idiot has done in Iraq has worked out as planned.
>>
>> Unless you found the WMD's? Two years late if you did, but it would still
>> be
>> a start.
>>
>>
>> --
>> David G Fisher
>>
>>
>>
>
>

OOOOOHHHHHHH My momma? Arent you a tough guy... you wont come by here
welfare prick...

Damn right my prick won't be coming anywhere near you, ya hillbilly; now go
play keyboard commando when yer done flippin burgers.
"Plowboy" > wrote in message
news:nbh5e.11952$AL.3816@lakeread08...
> OOOOOHHHHHHH My momma? Arent you a tough guy... you wont come by here
> welfare prick...
>

Actually I was trying to say that your points were in the main quite
valid, but you devalued them yourself by posting in such a puerile way.
If you just put down a reasoned argument without the attitude, I'd
agree with you.