Freeze 12 in Chevy Blazer

> NO! Don't waste your time.
>
> Change to r134.
>
> Freeze 12 is not compatable with r12! Freeze 12 is not compatable with
> anything other than mineral oil! Freeze 12 can be used with mineral oil,
> ester oil, or a mixture.
>
> To change to Freeze 12 you have to vacumn your system to remove all the
r12,
> then add 3 ozs of oil, (preferablely ester) before you add the Freeze 12.
If
> you do change to Freeze 12 then you are stuck to doing all the work on
your
> AC yourself, as AC shops are not going to buy a complete set of equipment
> for use with Freeze 12. An AC shop has to have a complete set of equipment
> for r12 and r134 now. Why buy a set for limited use with Freeze 12?
>
> Just convert to r134 its is cheaper, and easier to have a working system.
>
> --
> Diamond Jim
> The Old Devildog
>

No! Don't waste your time!

Just get your R12 system fixed. It was built for it and it's still
available.

Bruce Chang wrote:

>>NO! Don't waste your time.
>>
>>Change to r134.
>>
>>Freeze 12 is not compatable with r12! Freeze 12 is not compatable with
>>anything other than mineral oil! Freeze 12 can be used with mineral oil,
>>ester oil, or a mixture.
>>
>>To change to Freeze 12 you have to vacumn your system to remove all the
>
> r12,
>
>>then add 3 ozs of oil, (preferablely ester) before you add the Freeze 12.
>
> If
>
>>you do change to Freeze 12 then you are stuck to doing all the work on
>
> your
>
>>AC yourself, as AC shops are not going to buy a complete set of equipment
>>for use with Freeze 12. An AC shop has to have a complete set of equipment
>>for r12 and r134 now. Why buy a set for limited use with Freeze 12?
>>
>>Just convert to r134 its is cheaper, and easier to have a working system.
>>
>>--
>>Diamond Jim
>>The Old Devildog
>>
>
>
> No! Don't waste your time!
>
> Just get your R12 system fixed. It was built for it and it's still
> available.
>
>
It is expensive as hell. Best bet is an R134 conversion.

Bruce Chang wrote:

>>NO! Don't waste your time.
>>
>>Change to r134.
>>
>>Freeze 12 is not compatable with r12! Freeze 12 is not compatable with
>>anything other than mineral oil! Freeze 12 can be used with mineral oil,
>>ester oil, or a mixture.
>>
>>To change to Freeze 12 you have to vacumn your system to remove all the
>
> r12,
>
>>then add 3 ozs of oil, (preferablely ester) before you add the Freeze 12.
>
> If
>
>>you do change to Freeze 12 then you are stuck to doing all the work on
>
> your
>
>>AC yourself, as AC shops are not going to buy a complete set of equipment
>>for use with Freeze 12. An AC shop has to have a complete set of equipment
>>for r12 and r134 now. Why buy a set for limited use with Freeze 12?
>>
>>Just convert to r134 its is cheaper, and easier to have a working system.
>>
>>--
>>Diamond Jim
>>The Old Devildog
>>
>
>
> No! Don't waste your time!
>
> Just get your R12 system fixed. It was built for it and it's still
> available.
>
>
It is expensive as hell. Best bet is an R134 conversion.

Diamond Jim wrote:

> To change to Freeze 12 you have to vacumn your system to remove all the r12,
> then add 3 ozs of oil, (preferablely ester) before you add the Freeze 12.

Oh? Why a magic "3 ounces?" What if the system still has a full charge
of mineral oil- you'll be over-full. What if it has lost all its mineral
oil for some reason? You'll be running dry.

"Formula" retrofits like that are a quick way to disaster. Any retrofit
should begin with "disassemble and FLUSH they system...." and end with
"fill with the factory specified quantity of oil...." of whichever type
is most compatible with the chosen refrigerant.

Diamond Jim wrote:

> To change to Freeze 12 you have to vacumn your system to remove all the r12,
> then add 3 ozs of oil, (preferablely ester) before you add the Freeze 12.

Oh? Why a magic "3 ounces?" What if the system still has a full charge
of mineral oil- you'll be over-full. What if it has lost all its mineral
oil for some reason? You'll be running dry.

"Formula" retrofits like that are a quick way to disaster. Any retrofit
should begin with "disassemble and FLUSH they system...." and end with
"fill with the factory specified quantity of oil...." of whichever type
is most compatible with the chosen refrigerant.

On Wed, 26 May 2004 14:26:56 GMT, "Diamond Jim" > wrote:

||
||"Spiderman" > wrote in message
...
||> The air conditioning on my 1989 Chevy S10 Blazer just stopped working. I
||can
||> hear the compressor kick in but the air blows out warm. I'm thinking of
||> adding in Freeze 12 coolant since it's closer to R12 and less work to
||> retrofit than R134. Has anyone tried this?
||>
||
||NO! Don't waste your time.
||
||Change to r134.
||
||Freeze 12 is not compatable with r12! Freeze 12 is not compatable with
||anything other than mineral oil! Freeze 12 can be used with mineral oil,
||ester oil, or a mixture.
||
||To change to Freeze 12 you have to vacumn your system to remove all the r12,
||then add 3 ozs of oil, (preferablely ester) before you add the Freeze 12. If
||you do change to Freeze 12 then you are stuck to doing all the work on your
||AC yourself, as AC shops are not going to buy a complete set of equipment
||for use with Freeze 12. An AC shop has to have a complete set of equipment
||for r12 and r134 now. Why buy a set for limited use with Freeze 12?

I haven't used it myself, but I think it's noteworthy that my company sold
31,000 12-oz cans of Freeze-12, and another 50 30# cylinders over the last 18
months. SOMEbody out there must be doing OK with it.
For what it's worth.
Texas Parts Guy

On Wed, 26 May 2004 14:26:56 GMT, "Diamond Jim" > wrote:

||
||"Spiderman" > wrote in message
...
||> The air conditioning on my 1989 Chevy S10 Blazer just stopped working. I
||can
||> hear the compressor kick in but the air blows out warm. I'm thinking of
||> adding in Freeze 12 coolant since it's closer to R12 and less work to
||> retrofit than R134. Has anyone tried this?
||>
||
||NO! Don't waste your time.
||
||Change to r134.
||
||Freeze 12 is not compatable with r12! Freeze 12 is not compatable with
||anything other than mineral oil! Freeze 12 can be used with mineral oil,
||ester oil, or a mixture.
||
||To change to Freeze 12 you have to vacumn your system to remove all the r12,
||then add 3 ozs of oil, (preferablely ester) before you add the Freeze 12. If
||you do change to Freeze 12 then you are stuck to doing all the work on your
||AC yourself, as AC shops are not going to buy a complete set of equipment
||for use with Freeze 12. An AC shop has to have a complete set of equipment
||for r12 and r134 now. Why buy a set for limited use with Freeze 12?

I haven't used it myself, but I think it's noteworthy that my company sold
31,000 12-oz cans of Freeze-12, and another 50 30# cylinders over the last 18
months. SOMEbody out there must be doing OK with it.
For what it's worth.
Texas Parts Guy

"Steve" > wrote in message
...
> Diamond Jim wrote:
>
> > To change to Freeze 12 you have to vacumn your system to remove all the
r12,
> > then add 3 ozs of oil, (preferablely ester) before you add the Freeze
12.
>
> Oh? Why a magic "3 ounces?" What if the system still has a full charge
> of mineral oil- you'll be over-full. What if it has lost all its mineral
> oil for some reason? You'll be running dry.
>
> "Formula" retrofits like that are a quick way to disaster. Any retrofit
> should begin with "disassemble and FLUSH they system...." and end with
> "fill with the factory specified quantity of oil...." of whichever type
> is most compatible with the chosen refrigerant.
>

Because you are going to loose just about three ounces when you drain and
vacumn your system. THAT'S WHY! Even if you add some extra oil it is not
going to cause a disaster.

If it doesn't have any oil in the system then it doesn't have any freon in
the system either. Q.E.D

Why don't you go bother somebody else, with all your crap. All you want to
do is snipe, post a real e-mail address if you are serious, and stand behind
your post. Otherwise your just a troll, looking to cause trouble.

"Steve" > wrote in message
...
> Diamond Jim wrote:
>
> > To change to Freeze 12 you have to vacumn your system to remove all the
r12,
> > then add 3 ozs of oil, (preferablely ester) before you add the Freeze
12.
>
> Oh? Why a magic "3 ounces?" What if the system still has a full charge
> of mineral oil- you'll be over-full. What if it has lost all its mineral
> oil for some reason? You'll be running dry.
>
> "Formula" retrofits like that are a quick way to disaster. Any retrofit
> should begin with "disassemble and FLUSH they system...." and end with
> "fill with the factory specified quantity of oil...." of whichever type
> is most compatible with the chosen refrigerant.
>

Because you are going to loose just about three ounces when you drain and
vacumn your system. THAT'S WHY! Even if you add some extra oil it is not
going to cause a disaster.

If it doesn't have any oil in the system then it doesn't have any freon in
the system either. Q.E.D

Why don't you go bother somebody else, with all your crap. All you want to
do is snipe, post a real e-mail address if you are serious, and stand behind
your post. Otherwise your just a troll, looking to cause trouble.

"Rex B" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 26 May 2004 14:26:56 GMT, "Diamond Jim" > wrote:
>
> ||
> ||"Spiderman" > wrote in message
> ...
> ||> The air conditioning on my 1989 Chevy S10 Blazer just stopped working.
I
> ||can
> ||> hear the compressor kick in but the air blows out warm. I'm thinking
of
> ||> adding in Freeze 12 coolant since it's closer to R12 and less work to
> ||> retrofit than R134. Has anyone tried this?
> ||>
> ||
> ||NO! Don't waste your time.
> ||
> ||Change to r134.
> ||
> ||Freeze 12 is not compatable with r12! Freeze 12 is not compatable with
> ||anything other than mineral oil! Freeze 12 can be used with mineral oil,
> ||ester oil, or a mixture.
> ||
> ||To change to Freeze 12 you have to vacumn your system to remove all the
r12,
> ||then add 3 ozs of oil, (preferablely ester) before you add the Freeze
12. If
> ||you do change to Freeze 12 then you are stuck to doing all the work on
your
> ||AC yourself, as AC shops are not going to buy a complete set of
equipment
> ||for use with Freeze 12. An AC shop has to have a complete set of
equipment
> ||for r12 and r134 now. Why buy a set for limited use with Freeze 12?
>
> I haven't used it myself, but I think it's noteworthy that my company sold
> 31,000 12-oz cans of Freeze-12, and another 50 30# cylinders over the last
18
> months. SOMEbody out there must be doing OK with it.
> For what it's worth.
> Texas Parts Guy

There is absolutely nothing wrong with R12. Banning it in the US was
strictly a political move by Clinton and his administration to make the tree
huggers happy and to get concessions on other matters at the Keyoto World
Meeting. R12 is still used (legally) in many parts (so called third world
countries) of the world. Mexico uses it, and r134 is hard to find in Mexico.
All the BS about the r12 destroying the ozone layer was also a bunch of BS.
When Mount Pentatubo (spelling ?) erupted in the Philippines (near the old
Clark AFB) more chlorine was put into the atmosphere than the total amount
of chlorine ever used in making all the different types of freon. And
chlorine which is released when freon brakes down is what destroys ozone.
But every lighting bolt (among other things) in the world produces ozone. A
lot of the whacko theories from the 70's and 80's have proven to be BS.
Ozone depletion, nuclear winter, to name two. Global warming? or global
cooling? is still being debated with no proof on either side yet, just the
doomsday sound bytes from the TV.