RIM SIZE FOR 2006 WRANGLER X

On Aug 16, 9:07 pm, twaldron > wrote:
> Tracie wrote:
> > On Aug 16, 2:58 am, Garth Almgren > wrote:
>
> > Twaldron --
> > I appreciate your advice, and it is mostly true (I do agree with much
> > of what you're saying). However, I would like to avoid the expense of
> > a new CV driveshaft/SYE kit if I can get the same amount of lift using
> > other combinations of suspension or body lifts and still be able to
> > avoid the vibes. As for the gearing, I do agree. Down the road, I am
> > going to change the gearing to at least 4.11 as you mentioned. As far
> > as 33s being miserable with the gearing that I currently have, would
> > 32s make any significant difference as far as the higher gears being
> > tall?
>
> I do understand what you are trying to accomplish...not the way I'd do
> it, but I do understand. Yes, 32s would help. Too, be afraid of a shop
> that would install a 3" body lift. OMG! Don't do that!
>
> As far as your 2" spacer vs 2" spring lift question...if you can afford
> the spring lift, go with that. If not, spacers will be fine for your use.
>
> Good luck and let us know how it goes.
>
> tw

Twaldron --

Thanks. I am definitely NOT having a 3 inch body lift put on. Here
is what I have decided to do until I get more money together. I have
found both a 2 inch and a 3 inch suspension lift using the spacers
instead of springs. Here is my question --

Would I be better off putting on a 2 inch suspension lift and a 1 inch
body lift with 32 X 11.5 X 15s, or a 3 inch suspension lift and NO
body lift with the same size tires? Would this size tire look "under-
tired" with a 3 inch suspension lift, or would 33s look better? Do I
have to drop the t-case with a 3 inch coil spacer lift?

THANKS

On Aug 16, 9:07 pm, twaldron > wrote:
> Tracie wrote:
> > On Aug 16, 2:58 am, Garth Almgren > wrote:
>
> > Twaldron --
> > I appreciate your advice, and it is mostly true (I do agree with much
> > of what you're saying). However, I would like to avoid the expense of
> > a new CV driveshaft/SYE kit if I can get the same amount of lift using
> > other combinations of suspension or body lifts and still be able to
> > avoid the vibes. As for the gearing, I do agree. Down the road, I am
> > going to change the gearing to at least 4.11 as you mentioned. As far
> > as 33s being miserable with the gearing that I currently have, would
> > 32s make any significant difference as far as the higher gears being
> > tall?
>
> I do understand what you are trying to accomplish...not the way I'd do
> it, but I do understand. Yes, 32s would help. Too, be afraid of a shop
> that would install a 3" body lift. OMG! Don't do that!
>
> As far as your 2" spacer vs 2" spring lift question...if you can afford
> the spring lift, go with that. If not, spacers will be fine for your use.
>
> Good luck and let us know how it goes.
>
> tw

Forgot to mention....the 3 inch spacer lift is a combo of 4 - 2"
spacers and 4 - 1" spacers. Is it safe to stack the spacers like
this? As previously mentioned, I do not do any extreme off roading at
all. 90-95% of my driving is highway. Both the 2 inch and the 3 inch
coil spacer kits come with extended bump stops and new shocks.

On Aug 17, 8:35 am, Tracie > wrote:
> On Aug 16, 9:07 pm, twaldron > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Tracie wrote:
> > > On Aug 16, 2:58 am, Garth Almgren > wrote:
>
> > > Twaldron --
> > > I appreciate your advice, and it is mostly true (I do agree with much
> > > of what you're saying). However, I would like to avoid the expense of
> > > a new CV driveshaft/SYE kit if I can get the same amount of lift using
> > > other combinations of suspension or body lifts and still be able to
> > > avoid the vibes. As for the gearing, I do agree. Down the road, I am
> > > going to change the gearing to at least 4.11 as you mentioned. As far
> > > as 33s being miserable with the gearing that I currently have, would
> > > 32s make any significant difference as far as the higher gears being
> > > tall?
>
> > I do understand what you are trying to accomplish...not the way I'd do
> > it, but I do understand. Yes, 32s would help. Too, be afraid of a shop
> > that would install a 3" body lift. OMG! Don't do that!
>
> > As far as your 2" spacer vs 2" spring lift question...if you can afford
> > the spring lift, go with that. If not, spacers will be fine for your use.
>
> > Good luck and let us know how it goes.
>
> > tw
>
> Forgot to mention....the 3 inch spacer lift is a combo of 4 - 2"
> spacers and 4 - 1" spacers. Is it safe to stack the spacers like
> this? As previously mentioned, I do not do any extreme off roading at
> all. 90-95% of my driving is highway. Both the 2 inch and the 3 inch
> coil spacer kits come with extended bump stops and new shocks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

OK.....just got off the phone with a major dealership here and was
told that I may not need to upgrade to the 4.11 gears. They mentioned
something about re-gearing the pinion factor thru the jeep's
computer. Anyone heard of this? If so, is it effective?

On Aug 17, 8:35 am, Tracie > wrote:
> On Aug 16, 9:07 pm, twaldron > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Tracie wrote:
> > > On Aug 16, 2:58 am, Garth Almgren > wrote:
>
> > > Twaldron --
> > > I appreciate your advice, and it is mostly true (I do agree with much
> > > of what you're saying). However, I would like to avoid the expense of
> > > a new CV driveshaft/SYE kit if I can get the same amount of lift using
> > > other combinations of suspension or body lifts and still be able to
> > > avoid the vibes. As for the gearing, I do agree. Down the road, I am
> > > going to change the gearing to at least 4.11 as you mentioned. As far
> > > as 33s being miserable with the gearing that I currently have, would
> > > 32s make any significant difference as far as the higher gears being
> > > tall?
>
> > I do understand what you are trying to accomplish...not the way I'd do
> > it, but I do understand. Yes, 32s would help. Too, be afraid of a shop
> > that would install a 3" body lift. OMG! Don't do that!
>
> > As far as your 2" spacer vs 2" spring lift question...if you can afford
> > the spring lift, go with that. If not, spacers will be fine for your use.
>
> > Good luck and let us know how it goes.
>
> > tw
>
> Forgot to mention....the 3 inch spacer lift is a combo of 4 - 2"
> spacers and 4 - 1" spacers. Is it safe to stack the spacers like
> this? As previously mentioned, I do not do any extreme off roading at
> all. 90-95% of my driving is highway. Both the 2 inch and the 3 inch
> coil spacer kits come with extended bump stops and new shocks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text

Twaldron -- HELP

Since you mentioned this......
What exactly are ALL the parts that I need to do the 3.07 to 4.56 gear
conversion? I have come up with needing a 3.73 carrier for the 4.56
gears and Dana 30 Ring and Pinion gears. Again, I have the D30 in
front and D35 in rear. What else do I need?

P.S. You might just win this discussion yet! LMAO

>
> OK.....just got off the phone with a major dealership here and was
> told that I may not need to upgrade to the 4.11 gears. They mentioned
> something about re-gearing the pinion factor thru the jeep's
> computer. Anyone heard of this? If so, is it effective?
>


Say What????

Good lord where do the $tealerships find these total idiots?

On the 2006 I believe you can 'recalibrate' the 'speedometer' for the
tire size via the computer where in the 'old days' we put a new
'speedometer' gear into the transfer case. Mine has that so 33" tires
make my speedometer right on.

This has absolutely 'nothing' to do with the drive gears or how many rpm
you turn at say 65 mph, nothing at all!

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Tracie wrote:
> On Aug 16, 9:07 pm, twaldron > wrote:
>> Tracie wrote:
>>> On Aug 16, 2:58 am, Garth Almgren > wrote:
>>> Twaldron --
>>> I appreciate your advice, and it is mostly true (I do agree with much
>>> of what you're saying). However, I would like to avoid the expense of
>>> a new CV driveshaft/SYE kit if I can get the same amount of lift using
>>> other combinations of suspension or body lifts and still be able to
>>> avoid the vibes. As for the gearing, I do agree. Down the road, I am
>>> going to change the gearing to at least 4.11 as you mentioned. As far
>>> as 33s being miserable with the gearing that I currently have, would
>>> 32s make any significant difference as far as the higher gears being
>>> tall?
>> I do understand what you are trying to accomplish...not the way I'd do
>> it, but I do understand. Yes, 32s would help. Too, be afraid of a shop
>> that would install a 3" body lift. OMG! Don't do that!
>>
>> As far as your 2" spacer vs 2" spring lift question...if you can afford
>> the spring lift, go with that. If not, spacers will be fine for your use.
>>
>> Good luck and let us know how it goes.
>>
>> tw
>
> Twaldron --
>
> Thanks. I am definitely NOT having a 3 inch body lift put on. Here
> is what I have decided to do until I get more money together. I have
> found both a 2 inch and a 3 inch suspension lift using the spacers
> instead of springs. Here is my question --
>
> Would I be better off putting on a 2 inch suspension lift and a 1 inch
> body lift with 32 X 11.5 X 15s, or a 3 inch suspension lift and NO
> body lift with the same size tires? Would this size tire look "under-
> tired" with a 3 inch suspension lift, or would 33s look better? Do I
> have to drop the t-case with a 3 inch coil spacer lift?
>
> THANKS
>

Stock as you sit 'right now' with 'no' modifications your Jeep will fit
31x10.5" tires.

32" tires require 1/2" more clearance and different rim backspacing.

33" tires require 1" more clearance and different rims also. (they are
2" taller than 31's, but only 1" of that is on either side of the rim.)

I have helped a gent put on the 2" spacer kit and it only took a couple
hours in the driveway.

If you just go with the 2" spacer kit, the 33's will fit unless you are
really aggressive off road. a 1" body lift will make sure it doesn't tag.

The spacer doesn't need as much clearance as longer springs do because
it keeps the stock spring rate or tire up and down travel distance.
That is what the extended bumpstops are for.

Too bad you don't know anyone with 31's that you could just swap tires
with for the day to see what they look and feel like.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

You'd have to replace the carrier, pinion shaft, and ring gear in both front
& rear differentials, plus new seals and bearings, plus labor. You're
looking at a job for at least $1000. If you skip it, your Jeep will
accelerate worse than a loaded school bus when you install 33" tires with a
3.07 final drive ratio.

My advice, if you're only doing it for looks, you would save LOTS of money
if you just go with a 31"x10.5" tire. You won't need new wheels, you won't
need a lift of any kind, your performance won't suffer as much and the tires
will fill the wheelwells nicely.


"Tracie" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Since you mentioned this......
> What exactly are ALL the parts that I need to do the 3.07 to 4.56 gear
> conversion? I have come up with needing a 3.73 carrier for the 4.56
> gears and Dana 30 Ring and Pinion gears. Again, I have the D30 in
> front and D35 in rear. What else do I need?
>
> P.S. You might just win this discussion yet! LMAO
>

On Aug 17, 9:26 am, Mike Romain > wrote:
> > OK.....just got off the phone with a major dealership here and was
> > told that I may not need to upgrade to the 4.11 gears. They mentioned
> > something about re-gearing the pinion factor thru the jeep's
> > computer. Anyone heard of this? If so, is it effective?
>
> Say What????
>
> Good lord where do the $tealerships find these total idiots?
>
> On the 2006 I believe you can 'recalibrate' the 'speedometer' for the
> tire size via the computer where in the 'old days' we put a new
> 'speedometer' gear into the transfer case. Mine has that so 33" tires
> make my speedometer right on.
>
> This has absolutely 'nothing' to do with the drive gears or how many rpm
> you turn at say 65 mph, nothing at all!
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

I didn't think so either. That's why they're not getting my
business. But, here are all the parts that I need for the conversion
according to a reputable parts store.....

Yukon D30TJ / D35 4.56 GEAR AND MASTER INSTALL KIT package deal $389,
D30 3.73 up carrier $59, and D35 3.55 up 1.56 carrier $59. TOTAL
Delivered to me $507.

How does this price sound? I can have the whole thing installed for
$250. Are there any other parts that I need for this conversion to be
done properly and safely?

On Aug 17, 9:59 am, Tracie > wrote:
> On Aug 17, 9:26 am, Mike Romain > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > OK.....just got off the phone with a major dealership here and was
> > > told that I may not need to upgrade to the 4.11 gears. They mentioned
> > > something about re-gearing the pinion factor thru the jeep's
> > > computer. Anyone heard of this? If so, is it effective?
>
> > Say What????
>
> > Good lord where do the $tealerships find these total idiots?
>
> > On the 2006 I believe you can 'recalibrate' the 'speedometer' for the
> > tire size via the computer where in the 'old days' we put a new
> > 'speedometer' gear into the transfer case. Mine has that so 33" tires
> > make my speedometer right on.
>
> > This has absolutely 'nothing' to do with the drive gears or how many rpm
> > you turn at say 65 mph, nothing at all!
>
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> I didn't think so either. That's why they're not getting my
> business. But, here are all the parts that I need for the conversion
> according to a reputable parts store.....
>
> Yukon D30TJ / D35 4.56 GEAR AND MASTER INSTALL KIT package deal $389,
> D30 3.73 up carrier $59, and D35 3.55 up 1.56 carrier $59. TOTAL
> Delivered to me $507.
>
> How does this price sound? I can have the whole thing installed for
> $250. Are there any other parts that I need for this conversion to be
> done properly and safely?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

How silly would 31 X 10.5 X 15 tires look with a 1.5 spacer suspension
lift kit? Can I still use my stock rims?

Tracie wrote:
>
> How silly would 31 X 10.5 X 15 tires look with a 1.5 spacer suspension
> lift kit? Can I still use my stock rims?
>

You can use the stock rims and it will look very nice and balanced with
a 1.5 or 2" spacer lift.

Cheap and easy too. Then if you have the need or want, you can save the
pennies and go 'big' later.

The 31's will also very likely put your speedometer right on for
calibration. You check it with a GPS or measured mile.

Jeep usually calibrates the speedometer for the largest 'stock' tire
size which is the 31x10.5's. Well they used to, don't know now with the
computer tweaking ability. A GPS will tell.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)