Politics and guns are Not in this group's Charter

"Welding an axle on the trail"? Gosh, you hardly ever see people weld axles
any more, let alone on the trail. Where I live, if it is that bad, we
usually call a wrecker, or leave it for the Snow Gods to play with.

http://earlehorton.tripod.com/temp/snowgod.jpg

Earle

"Spdloader" > wrote in message
...
> Well said, Kate.
>
> I started the bear thread not only because I knew you and Mr. Kate
off-road
> in that area, but also because I think it's entirely relevant to what we
run
> into when Jeeping into the woods. It is good for other Jeepers to know
what
> to do in case you do run into a bear or other wildlife while in the
> wilderness. I think it is entirely on topic for this group, just as much
as
> welding an axle on the trail. Lots of people, myself included carry a
> firearm while off road and consider it just as necessary as any other of
my
> emergency gear.
>
> Spdloader
>
>
>
>
> "Kate" (please ask)> wrote in message
> ...
> > Damn Mike -
> > First let me say - no disrespect intended - I think (from what I have
> > seen
> > here) that you are a good guy, you know your stuff and I respect your
> > opinion and your experience with all things Jeep.
> >
> > BUT
> >
> > We were just shooting the bull about guns a little. Having a
conversation
> > about a common interest shared by some of us. From the looks of the
thread
> > it's shared by SEVERAL of us.
> > If we were all sitting around a camp fire after a day out Jeepin' the
same
> > sort of conversation might come up then too.
> > for instance:
> > "Did you hear about the bear attack?"
> > "No! How do you suppose you'd defend youself against a bear?"
> > "What do you suppose would be the best weapon in a situation like that?"
> >
> > and so on....
> > There were no radical comments, just a sharing or ideas and information.
> >
> > So, according to what you just said, the ONLY thing we can discuss is
jeep
> > stuff?
> > Don't know about YOU, but in my group of friends the conversation flows
> > from
> > one subject to another.
> > To me, that's what this is, a group pf friends, shooting the bull.
> >
> > When a group of friends get together, do they ONLY talk about one thing?
> >
> > So you are saying that we cannot talk about
> > our dogs
> > our cats
> > our boats
> > our hobbies
> > our spouses
> > our children
> > our love life
> > fishing or camping - thus the bear killing the child - thus the gun
> > conversation.
> > or ANY other topic?
> >
> > Nothing aobut ANY of our other interests, ONLY jeeps?
> > That's pretty messed up.
> > That being the case - this group would be completely dead and boring as
> > hell.
> >
> > If you want to get ****y about something, how about raising hell about
the
> > cross posted BS flame war. THAT is a disruption.
> > I have not yet seen anything in the "bear/gun" conversation that
indicates
> > anyone showing off or raising hell, they are just talking about
firearms,
> > ammunition and the way it would apply to hunting a bear.
> >
> > And again, I truly mean no disrespect, but because you are Canadian, you
> > are
> > entitled to your view on the matter. Canadians have a different view on
> > firearms, and are entitled to their opinion. If it works for you folks,
> > then
> > more power to you.
> > Here in the US many people hunt, and shoot, and the majority of the gun
> > owners here are law abiding, responsible people that enjoy shooting
> > sports.
> > Sadly all you ever hear about are the bad things.
> >
> > If the ONLY thing to be discussed here is Jeeps, then screw it, I am not
> > one
> > to be "dictated" to.
> > If you are not interested in the gun conversation, then stop reading it.
> >
> >
> > Kate
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > : Must be election time in the US again or something with all you gun
> > : freaks going crazy and getting ready for a shooting war eh?
> > :
> > : When is this damn election over so this group can get back on the
topic
> > : of Jeeps like the group's Charter calls for?
> > :
> > : There are places to talk politics and guns. This isn't it.
> > :
> > : For those of you that are unaware of the Charter it is posted he
> > :
> >
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys
> > :
> > : And it states:
> > :
> > : CHARTER: rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys
> > :
> > : The unmoderated newsgroup rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys is to be used
> > : for discussions, announcements, expression of opinions, and questions
> > : about Jeep (Trade Mark) and Willys vehicles. It also serves as a
> > : medium for those interested in sharing and exchanging their
> > : experience. It is also meant to be a forum for buying and selling
> > : parts by non-commercial vendors.
> > :
> > : Some things that could be discussed....
> > :
> > : -Jeep/Willys history
> > : -repairs and modifications
> > : -parts exchange
> > : -technical information
> > : -4x4 driving experiences
> > : -vehicle restoration
> > : -new vehicle evaluations
> > :
> > : Some things that shouldn't be discussed....
> > :
> > : -4 wheel drive vehicles made by
> > : other manufacturers
> > : -commercial posts
> > :
> > : The articles sent to the Jeep listserver will be cross-posted to
Usenet
> > : but not vise versa.
> > :
> > : END CHARTER.
> > :
> > : End quote.
> > :
> > : Mike
> > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > : Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
>
>

What kind of place do you live in, where you can't have dogs?

You sound like one of those "liberals", that Bill is always going on about.

Earle

"Kate" (please ask)> wrote in message
...
>
> "paul" > wrote in message
> ...
> : Kate
> : Did you really mean to type what you did below?
>
> Yes, I did.
>
> : I think the flame war is getting on everyone's nerves a tad bit.
>
> To say the least, but I have eliminated most of it from my own view.
> It's not that hard to ignore a conversation that you don't want to
> participate in.
>
> : : The fundamental topic of conversation here is jeeps(+ willys). Yes
> sometimes
> : dogs, guns, fishing, family, etc will pepper the conversation but again
> the
> : fundamental topic is jeeps(+willys).
>
> I understand completely and a fine topic it is.
> But just how much can you talk about the same thing over and over?
> After a while, you run out of things to say but you still want to talk so
> the subject changes a bit.
>
> :
> : Most people come here for useful advice on how to maintain there
vehicle,
> : often times friendships are formed. Off topic discussions should be
> limited,
> : there are other places for them.
>
> Ok, so here's a scenario for you.
> You come to my house for a BBQ, so does spdloader, Billy ray, Mike, jenn,
> seahag and some others.
> Now, the conversations start with jeeps but end up with some other topic.
> Lets say, dogs.
> The CCRs of my neighborhood prohibit certain things - like dogs- and I
tell
> my guests that this topic is not allowed.
> Silly as it seems, as no harm is being done, and no crimes commited, I
tell
> them that they should leave and go to another neighborhood to discuss
dogs.
> This means everyone leaves my house and goes across town to another
> neighborhood where they may not be on familiar ground.
> They are now in the company of unfamiliar people that already inhabit that
> neighborhood and who may or may not be welcoming to newvcomers. The
location
> is, lets say across town. An inconvience to get to - as would be hunting
> down individual groups to discuss dogs, or guns, or fishing, or whatever.
> Segregation is a tough row to hoe.
>
> Why should we have to go to a different neighborhood to talk about out
dog,
> when at the end of the evening we will open the door on our Jeep and tell
> the dog to "load up" ??
> What's it hurt if Spdloader warns me to stay out of the woods, and then we
> talk about guns?
>
> How is it harming this group in any way?
>
> If anything, it is bringing some of the members closer by sharing their
> common interests.
>
> : Please rethink your position on this.
>
> Thank you Paul, I have given your comment a great deal of consideration.
> I agree that the charter is the charter.
> Yet I see no restriction in the charter regarding other topics, simply a
> suggestion of what topics should and should not be posted.
> Do you see anything there restricting any of the topics I listed? I don't.
I
> even went and got my glasses
> Lets face it, limitation on our rights (oh GOD I how hate to use this
> phrase!) for freedom of speech is just not going to happen.
>
> Sorry if I ruffled feathers but I'm not going to let someone dictate to
me
> what I can and cannot talk about in an open forum.
> I Like the people in this group, and I enjoy getting to know them better.
> These OT converstaions are a great way to do that.
> Eventually they all come back around to Jeeps - our common ground - the
> thing that brings us together.
>
> I have learned a lot both on and off topic and there have been times that
I
> have been completely bowled over by the intelligence of certain members
> here. Other times when I am in awe of the stupidity of others.
>
> Should we all give that up because we occasionally run off topic?
>
> Why is it a problem?
> Who is it harming?
> What is the cost?
> I really do not see the issue in regards to what is a civil conversation
> about firearms, or anything else for that matter.
>
> I'm not trying to be a rabble rouser, and I am not trying to step on toes
> and I'm surely not trying to offend or anger anyone.
>
> I apologize if I have upset you or Mike. Seriously.
>
> Kate
>
>
> :
> : sincerely
> : paul drapeau
> :
> : "Kate" (please ask)> wrote in message
> : ...
> : >
> : > If the ONLY thing to be discussed here is Jeeps, then screw it, I am
not
> : > one
> : > to be "dictated" to.
> : > If you are not interested in the gun conversation, then stop reading
it.
> : >
> : >
> : > Kate
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

If it weren't for the gun nuts, you'd be having tea and crumpets and driving
on the wrong side of the road.
With all of the off topic discussions here why would you single out politics
and guns? Without moderation you will have to deal with the off topic
discussions. Do what I do, read the header, if it's something I don't care
about, I hit the delete key.

One Man's Opinion,
Jim Smith


"Mike Romain" > wrote in message
...
> Must be election time in the US again or something with all you gun
> freaks going crazy and getting ready for a shooting war eh?
>
> When is this damn election over so this group can get back on the topic
> of Jeeps like the group's Charter calls for?
>
> There are places to talk politics and guns. This isn't it.
>
> For those of you that are unaware of the Charter it is posted he
> ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys
>
> And it states:
>
> CHARTER: rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys
>
> The unmoderated newsgroup rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys is to be used
> for discussions, announcements, expression of opinions, and questions
> about Jeep (Trade Mark) and Willys vehicles. It also serves as a
> medium for those interested in sharing and exchanging their
> experience. It is also meant to be a forum for buying and selling
> parts by non-commercial vendors.
>
> Some things that could be discussed....
>
> -Jeep/Willys history
> -repairs and modifications
> -parts exchange
> -technical information
> -4x4 driving experiences
> -vehicle restoration
> -new vehicle evaluations
>
> Some things that shouldn't be discussed....
>
> -4 wheel drive vehicles made by
> other manufacturers
> -commercial posts
>
> The articles sent to the Jeep listserver will be cross-posted to Usenet
> but not vise versa.
>
> END CHARTER.
>
> End quote.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Kate I think Mike was more making reference to the post that deal with
Bill's gentles and the sexual habits of goats.

The post about the bear was actual interesting for a bit, then I gave up
reading due to my lack of interest in guns,, I believe if its worth killing
then do it right, use a m60 or something bigger .

Ok now back to the jeep stuff ...

Snow... "still looking for a yellow XJ"


"Kate" (please ask)> wrote in message
...
> Damn Mike -
> First let me say - no disrespect intended - I think (from what I have
> seen
> here) that you are a good guy, you know your stuff and I respect your
> opinion and your experience with all things Jeep.
>
> BUT
>
> We were just shooting the bull about guns a little. Having a conversation
> about a common interest shared by some of us. From the looks of the thread
> it's shared by SEVERAL of us.
> If we were all sitting around a camp fire after a day out Jeepin' the same
> sort of conversation might come up then too.
> for instance:
> "Did you hear about the bear attack?"
> "No! How do you suppose you'd defend youself against a bear?"
> "What do you suppose would be the best weapon in a situation like that?"
>
> and so on....
> There were no radical comments, just a sharing or ideas and information.
>
> So, according to what you just said, the ONLY thing we can discuss is jeep
> stuff?
> Don't know about YOU, but in my group of friends the conversation flows
> from
> one subject to another.
> To me, that's what this is, a group pf friends, shooting the bull.
>
> When a group of friends get together, do they ONLY talk about one thing?
>
> So you are saying that we cannot talk about
> our dogs
> our cats
> our boats
> our hobbies
> our spouses
> our children
> our love life
> fishing or camping - thus the bear killing the child - thus the gun
> conversation.
> or ANY other topic?
>
> Nothing aobut ANY of our other interests, ONLY jeeps?
> That's pretty messed up.
> That being the case - this group would be completely dead and boring as
> hell.
>
> If you want to get ****y about something, how about raising hell about the
> cross posted BS flame war. THAT is a disruption.
> I have not yet seen anything in the "bear/gun" conversation that indicates
> anyone showing off or raising hell, they are just talking about firearms,
> ammunition and the way it would apply to hunting a bear.
>
> And again, I truly mean no disrespect, but because you are Canadian, you
> are
> entitled to your view on the matter. Canadians have a different view on
> firearms, and are entitled to their opinion. If it works for you folks,
> then
> more power to you.
> Here in the US many people hunt, and shoot, and the majority of the gun
> owners here are law abiding, responsible people that enjoy shooting
> sports.
> Sadly all you ever hear about are the bad things.
>
> If the ONLY thing to be discussed here is Jeeps, then screw it, I am not
> one
> to be "dictated" to.
> If you are not interested in the gun conversation, then stop reading it.
>
>
> Kate
>
>
> "Mike Romain" > wrote in message
> ...
> : Must be election time in the US again or something with all you gun
> : freaks going crazy and getting ready for a shooting war eh?
> :
> : When is this damn election over so this group can get back on the topic
> : of Jeeps like the group's Charter calls for?
> :
> : There are places to talk politics and guns. This isn't it.
> :
> : For those of you that are unaware of the Charter it is posted he
> :
> ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys
> :
> : And it states:
> :
> : CHARTER: rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys
> :
> : The unmoderated newsgroup rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys is to be used
> : for discussions, announcements, expression of opinions, and questions
> : about Jeep (Trade Mark) and Willys vehicles. It also serves as a
> : medium for those interested in sharing and exchanging their
> : experience. It is also meant to be a forum for buying and selling
> : parts by non-commercial vendors.
> :
> : Some things that could be discussed....
> :
> : -Jeep/Willys history
> : -repairs and modifications
> : -parts exchange
> : -technical information
> : -4x4 driving experiences
> : -vehicle restoration
> : -new vehicle evaluations
> :
> : Some things that shouldn't be discussed....
> :
> : -4 wheel drive vehicles made by
> : other manufacturers
> : -commercial posts
> :
> : The articles sent to the Jeep listserver will be cross-posted to Usenet
> : but not vise versa.
> :
> : END CHARTER.
> :
> : End quote.
> :
> : Mike
> : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>

My old '80 Bronco was setup with a high amp alternator/welder for just that
purpose. I never needed it with my D44 front and 9in rear, but I have welded
lots and lots of frames, and CJ and Samurai axles to get 'em back home.

Spdloader


"Earle Horton" > wrote in message
om...
> "Welding an axle on the trail"? Gosh, you hardly ever see people weld
> axles
> any more, let alone on the trail. Where I live, if it is that bad, we
> usually call a wrecker, or leave it for the Snow Gods to play with.
>
> http://earlehorton.tripod.com/temp/snowgod.jpg
>
> Earle
>
> "Spdloader" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Well said, Kate.
>>
>> I started the bear thread not only because I knew you and Mr. Kate
> off-road
>> in that area, but also because I think it's entirely relevant to what we
> run
>> into when Jeeping into the woods. It is good for other Jeepers to know
> what
>> to do in case you do run into a bear or other wildlife while in the
>> wilderness. I think it is entirely on topic for this group, just as much
> as
>> welding an axle on the trail. Lots of people, myself included carry a
>> firearm while off road and consider it just as necessary as any other of
> my
>> emergency gear.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kate" (please ask)> wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Damn Mike -
>> > First let me say - no disrespect intended - I think (from what I have
>> > seen
>> > here) that you are a good guy, you know your stuff and I respect your
>> > opinion and your experience with all things Jeep.
>> >
>> > BUT
>> >
>> > We were just shooting the bull about guns a little. Having a
> conversation
>> > about a common interest shared by some of us. From the looks of the
> thread
>> > it's shared by SEVERAL of us.
>> > If we were all sitting around a camp fire after a day out Jeepin' the
> same
>> > sort of conversation might come up then too.
>> > for instance:
>> > "Did you hear about the bear attack?"
>> > "No! How do you suppose you'd defend youself against a bear?"
>> > "What do you suppose would be the best weapon in a situation like
>> > that?"
>> >
>> > and so on....
>> > There were no radical comments, just a sharing or ideas and
>> > information.
>> >
>> > So, according to what you just said, the ONLY thing we can discuss is
> jeep
>> > stuff?
>> > Don't know about YOU, but in my group of friends the conversation flows
>> > from
>> > one subject to another.
>> > To me, that's what this is, a group pf friends, shooting the bull.
>> >
>> > When a group of friends get together, do they ONLY talk about one
>> > thing?
>> >
>> > So you are saying that we cannot talk about
>> > our dogs
>> > our cats
>> > our boats
>> > our hobbies
>> > our spouses
>> > our children
>> > our love life
>> > fishing or camping - thus the bear killing the child - thus the gun
>> > conversation.
>> > or ANY other topic?
>> >
>> > Nothing aobut ANY of our other interests, ONLY jeeps?
>> > That's pretty messed up.
>> > That being the case - this group would be completely dead and boring as
>> > hell.
>> >
>> > If you want to get ****y about something, how about raising hell about
> the
>> > cross posted BS flame war. THAT is a disruption.
>> > I have not yet seen anything in the "bear/gun" conversation that
> indicates
>> > anyone showing off or raising hell, they are just talking about
> firearms,
>> > ammunition and the way it would apply to hunting a bear.
>> >
>> > And again, I truly mean no disrespect, but because you are Canadian,
>> > you
>> > are
>> > entitled to your view on the matter. Canadians have a different view on
>> > firearms, and are entitled to their opinion. If it works for you folks,
>> > then
>> > more power to you.
>> > Here in the US many people hunt, and shoot, and the majority of the gun
>> > owners here are law abiding, responsible people that enjoy shooting
>> > sports.
>> > Sadly all you ever hear about are the bad things.
>> >
>> > If the ONLY thing to be discussed here is Jeeps, then screw it, I am
>> > not
>> > one
>> > to be "dictated" to.
>> > If you are not interested in the gun conversation, then stop reading
>> > it.
>> >
>> >
>> > Kate
>> >
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > : Must be election time in the US again or something with all you gun
>> > : freaks going crazy and getting ready for a shooting war eh?
>> > :
>> > : When is this damn election over so this group can get back on the
> topic
>> > : of Jeeps like the group's Charter calls for?
>> > :
>> > : There are places to talk politics and guns. This isn't it.
>> > :
>> > : For those of you that are unaware of the Charter it is posted he
>> > :
>> >
> ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys
>> > :
>> > : And it states:
>> > :
>> > : CHARTER: rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys
>> > :
>> > : The unmoderated newsgroup rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys is to be used
>> > : for discussions, announcements, expression of opinions, and questions
>> > : about Jeep (Trade Mark) and Willys vehicles. It also serves as a
>> > : medium for those interested in sharing and exchanging their
>> > : experience. It is also meant to be a forum for buying and selling
>> > : parts by non-commercial vendors.
>> > :
>> > : Some things that could be discussed....
>> > :
>> > : -Jeep/Willys history
>> > : -repairs and modifications
>> > : -parts exchange
>> > : -technical information
>> > : -4x4 driving experiences
>> > : -vehicle restoration
>> > : -new vehicle evaluations
>> > :
>> > : Some things that shouldn't be discussed....
>> > :
>> > : -4 wheel drive vehicles made by
>> > : other manufacturers
>> > : -commercial posts
>> > :
>> > : The articles sent to the Jeep listserver will be cross-posted to
> Usenet
>> > : but not vise versa.
>> > :
>> > : END CHARTER.
>> > :
>> > : End quote.
>> > :
>> > : Mike
>> > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > : Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Kate wrote:
> "Frank_v7.0" > wrote
> : Bravo! Politics affect everything including Jeeps (emission control &
> : safety regs.) and some of the places I drive would make firearms a Jeep
> : accessory.
> :
> : --
> : FRH
>
> Dang Frank - where are you wheelin' ?
>
> Kate
>
>
White Mountains of Arizona. Home to bear, mountain lion (seen with my
own eyes) , the White Mountain Apache tribe and some of the meanest
jackrabbits in creation. :-)

--
FRH

In the past the whole group can get taken over by your US politics and
guns and advertisers and Bill's lovers from other groups.

One or two posts are one thing, but when every post is about off topic
crap, then the group is no longer worth reading for Jeep enthusiasts.

The Charter needs to be posted now and then to keep it valid.

Too bad You took it as a personal assault.

Bye now,

Mike

Kate wrote:
>
> Damn Mike -
> First let me say - no disrespect intended - I think (from what I have seen
> here) that you are a good guy, you know your stuff and I respect your
> opinion and your experience with all things Jeep.
>
> BUT
>
> We were just shooting the bull about guns a little. Having a conversation
> about a common interest shared by some of us. From the looks of the thread
> it's shared by SEVERAL of us.
> If we were all sitting around a camp fire after a day out Jeepin' the same
> sort of conversation might come up then too.
> for instance:
> "Did you hear about the bear attack?"
> "No! How do you suppose you'd defend youself against a bear?"
> "What do you suppose would be the best weapon in a situation like that?"
>
> and so on....
> There were no radical comments, just a sharing or ideas and information.
>
> So, according to what you just said, the ONLY thing we can discuss is jeep
> stuff?
> Don't know about YOU, but in my group of friends the conversation flows from
> one subject to another.
> To me, that's what this is, a group pf friends, shooting the bull.
>
> When a group of friends get together, do they ONLY talk about one thing?
>
> So you are saying that we cannot talk about
> our dogs
> our cats
> our boats
> our hobbies
> our spouses
> our children
> our love life
> fishing or camping - thus the bear killing the child - thus the gun
> conversation.
> or ANY other topic?
>
> Nothing aobut ANY of our other interests, ONLY jeeps?
> That's pretty messed up.
> That being the case - this group would be completely dead and boring as
> hell.
>
> If you want to get ****y about something, how about raising hell about the
> cross posted BS flame war. THAT is a disruption.
> I have not yet seen anything in the "bear/gun" conversation that indicates
> anyone showing off or raising hell, they are just talking about firearms,
> ammunition and the way it would apply to hunting a bear.
>
> And again, I truly mean no disrespect, but because you are Canadian, you are
> entitled to your view on the matter. Canadians have a different view on
> firearms, and are entitled to their opinion. If it works for you folks, then
> more power to you.
> Here in the US many people hunt, and shoot, and the majority of the gun
> owners here are law abiding, responsible people that enjoy shooting sports.
> Sadly all you ever hear about are the bad things.
>
> If the ONLY thing to be discussed here is Jeeps, then screw it, I am not one
> to be "dictated" to.
> If you are not interested in the gun conversation, then stop reading it.
>
> Kate
>
> "Mike Romain" > wrote in message
> ...
> : Must be election time in the US again or something with all you gun
> : freaks going crazy and getting ready for a shooting war eh?
> :
> : When is this damn election over so this group can get back on the topic
> : of Jeeps like the group's Charter calls for?
> :
> : There are places to talk politics and guns. This isn't it.
> :
> : For those of you that are unaware of the Charter it is posted he
> :
> ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys
> :
> : And it states:
> :
> : CHARTER: rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys
> :
> : The unmoderated newsgroup rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys is to be used
> : for discussions, announcements, expression of opinions, and questions
> : about Jeep (Trade Mark) and Willys vehicles. It also serves as a
> : medium for those interested in sharing and exchanging their
> : experience. It is also meant to be a forum for buying and selling
> : parts by non-commercial vendors.
> :
> : Some things that could be discussed....
> :
> : -Jeep/Willys history
> : -repairs and modifications
> : -parts exchange
> : -technical information
> : -4x4 driving experiences
> : -vehicle restoration
> : -new vehicle evaluations
> :
> : Some things that shouldn't be discussed....
> :
> : -4 wheel drive vehicles made by
> : other manufacturers
> : -commercial posts
> :
> : The articles sent to the Jeep listserver will be cross-posted to Usenet
> : but not vise versa.
> :
> : END CHARTER.
> :
> : End quote.
> :
> : Mike
> : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

"Kate" (please ask)> wrote in message
...
> It's not that hard to ignore a conversation that you don't want to
> participate in.

VERY well said girl.....good job. this group does a great job of staying on
topic. jeepers are in general, outdoorsmen and outdoorsmen typically enjoy
hunting and firearms in general. so the conversation strays a little once
in awhile.....SO WHAT. it still stays on topic better than any other group
i read and nobody is forced to click on any thread.

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"Mike Romain" > wrote in message
...
> Must be election time in the US again or something with all you gun
> freaks going crazy and getting ready for a shooting war eh?

stop whining and trying to control content. this group is made up of
jeepers and jeepers are typically outdoorsmen who enjoy hunting and guns in
general. in fact, most jeepers in here take their jeeps into remote
locations where firearms are important. maybe you cant relate to firearm
ownership because you arent born with that FREEDOM. maybe youve had a bad
experience with firearms. whatever the reason, firearms are as important as
recovery gear (moreso!).

by the very guidelines YOU posted, this thread isnt about jeeping either.

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Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com

Mike Romain said:

> >: Too bad You took it as a personal assault.
>> : Must be election time in the US again or something with all you gun
>> : freaks going crazy and getting ready for a shooting war eh?


Most do take it personally when you insult us and call us gun freaks.

There IS no other way to take it.

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