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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:53:49 -0400, "Tom in Missouri"
> puked:

>There are a lot of scams and a lot of snake oil out there, but one thing I
>did try years ago did actually work. Unfortunately, the parts I used were
>not designed for such use or in the environment I was using them, and so
>after a few days, they failed. But during that time, gas on the test car
>(my daily commuter which was going about 80 miles per day) went from 22-23
>to 25. I had only gotten 25 a couple of times before - long flat non-stop
>highway trips at 55-60 mph. This was tested in mostly city driving.
>
>However, since it involved helping things atomize quicker/better, and the
>EFI/TBI/TPI all does that just as well today, there isn't any point in me
>trying to build one again.

The suspense is killing me...

>
>So occasionally, you do find some of these that do work. You just want to
>not get too involved in expense looking for them, or you could buy more gas
>than you will ever save.
>
>
>"Ric Seyler" > wrote in message
...
>> Steve wrote:
>>
>>>With the cost of crude oil hitting $90 a barrel, this is something you
>>>can't
>>>pass up! This is not a SCAM and can save you real money. A quick down
>>>and
>>>dirty of how this works:
>>>
>> Magnets on the fuel line or the "Turbonator" behind the air cleaner?
>> LOLOLOLOLOL
>>
>


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lab~rat >:-) wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:53:49 -0400, "Tom in Missouri"
> puked:
>
>
>
>>There are a lot of scams and a lot of snake oil out there, but one thing I
>>did try years ago did actually work. Unfortunately, the parts I used were
>>not designed for such use or in the environment I was using them, and so
>>after a few days, they failed. But during that time, gas on the test car
>>(my daily commuter which was going about 80 miles per day) went from 22-23
>>to 25. I had only gotten 25 a couple of times before - long flat non-stop
>>highway trips at 55-60 mph. This was tested in mostly city driving.
>>
>>However, since it involved helping things atomize quicker/better, and the
>>EFI/TBI/TPI all does that just as well today, there isn't any point in me
>>trying to build one again.
>>
>>
>
>The suspense is killing me...
>
>
Swapping out a QuadraJet for a 1bbl Rochester?!? :-)

>
>
>>So occasionally, you do find some of these that do work. You just want to
>>not get too involved in expense looking for them, or you could buy more gas
>>than you will ever save.
>>
>>
>>"Ric Seyler" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>
>>>Steve wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>With the cost of crude oil hitting $90 a barrel, this is something you
>>>>can't
>>>>pass up! This is not a SCAM and can save you real money. A quick down
>>>>and
>>>>dirty of how this works:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Magnets on the fuel line or the "Turbonator" behind the air cleaner?
>>>LOLOLOLOLOL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>--
>lab~rat >:-)
>Stupid humans...
>
>


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"Ric Seyler" > wrote in message ...
lab~rat >:-) wrote:

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:53:49 -0400, "Tom in Missouri"
> puked:

There are a lot of scams and a lot of snake oil out there, but one thing I
did try years ago did actually work. Unfortunately, the parts I used were
not designed for such use or in the environment I was using them, and so
after a few days, they failed. But during that time, gas on the test car
(my daily commuter which was going about 80 miles per day) went from 22-23
to 25. I had only gotten 25 a couple of times before - long flat non-stop
highway trips at 55-60 mph. This was tested in mostly city driving.

However, since it involved helping things atomize quicker/better, and the
EFI/TBI/TPI all does that just as well today, there isn't any point in me
trying to build one again.

The suspense is killing me...
Swapping out a QuadraJet for a 1bbl Rochester?!? :-)

Hey my brother did that and it did not really help he had to floor it all of the time to move the car "Pontiac Bonneville Station wagon" it had a four barrel intake with a plate from 4 to 2 and a plate from 2 to 1 all polished inside and looked somewhat like a tunnel ram but unless you are hot rodding it and engine takes so much fuel and air to run... So I guess what I am saying that would not help it just looks funny...

I do not know what happened to the other post and not word wrapping...
Hey my brother did that and it did not really help he had to floor it all of the time to move the car "Pontiac Bonneville Station wagon" it had a four barrel intake with a plate from 4 to 2 and a plate from 2 to 1 all polished inside and looked somewhat like a tunnel ram but unless you are hot rodding it and engine takes so much fuel and air to run... So I guess what I am saying that would not help it just looks funny...The 2 plates can be seen on this site...http://www.tdperformance.com/pdfs/12...rbAdapters.pdf
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Swapping out a QuadraJet for a 1bbl Rochester?!? :-)

LOFL!

I hope you aren't doing that with the El Camino?

RK
"lab~rat >:-)" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:03:11 -0400, PeterD > puked:
>
>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:53:11 -0600, Ric Seyler >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Steve wrote:
>>>
>>>>With the cost of crude oil hitting $90 a barrel, this is something you
>>>>can't
>>>>pass up! This is not a SCAM and can save you real money. A quick down
>>>>and
>>>>dirty of how this works:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Magnets on the fuel line or the "Turbonator" behind the air cleaner?
>>>LOLOLOLOLOL
>>>
>>
>>I used to think that magnets were just a joke, but then I tried it.
>>
>>I broke apart about a zillion dead hard drives. Got all the magnets
>>out of them (there were an average of two magnets in each drive, so I
>>had two zillion of 'em)
>>
>>Next I glued them to the fuel lines, which took about 20 or so
>>magnets. What I did next was nothing short of brilliant. I glued the
>>remaining magnets to the front bumper, grill, and everwhere else I
>>could on the front. Even around the windshield.
>>
>>You guessed it, I got on the highway and soon found that i didn't even
>>have to press the accelerator. I'd only about two or three gallons of
>>gas left in the tank anyway, and eventually that ran out, just with
>>the engine idling. The engine shut down, and I'm still doing about 70+
>>MPH! Incredible...
>>
>>Man this is great. I started in New York, and I'm just getting through
>>Denver, all on that three gallons of gas (OK the gas ran out in
>>Kansas, but I"m still going.)
>>
>>Now, I'm writing this on my Blackberry while on the road. Steering and
>>driving doesn't seem that hard without gas, but I've got one problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>How do I get unstuck from the back of this semi?
>
> LOL
>
> --
> lab~rat >:-)
> Stupid humans...

On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:29:50 GMT, "Refinish King"
> puked:

>LOFL!
>
>I hope you aren't doing that with the El Camino?

Nah, it's still swallowing gas by the quart. How've ya been?

>
>RK
>"lab~rat >:-)" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:03:11 -0400, PeterD > puked:
>>
>>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:53:11 -0600, Ric Seyler >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Steve wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>With the cost of crude oil hitting $90 a barrel, this is something you
>>>>>can't
>>>>>pass up! This is not a SCAM and can save you real money. A quick down
>>>>>and
>>>>>dirty of how this works:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Magnets on the fuel line or the "Turbonator" behind the air cleaner?
>>>>LOLOLOLOLOL
>>>>
>>>
>>>I used to think that magnets were just a joke, but then I tried it.
>>>
>>>I broke apart about a zillion dead hard drives. Got all the magnets
>>>out of them (there were an average of two magnets in each drive, so I
>>>had two zillion of 'em)
>>>
>>>Next I glued them to the fuel lines, which took about 20 or so
>>>magnets. What I did next was nothing short of brilliant. I glued the
>>>remaining magnets to the front bumper, grill, and everwhere else I
>>>could on the front. Even around the windshield.
>>>
>>>You guessed it, I got on the highway and soon found that i didn't even
>>>have to press the accelerator. I'd only about two or three gallons of
>>>gas left in the tank anyway, and eventually that ran out, just with
>>>the engine idling. The engine shut down, and I'm still doing about 70+
>>>MPH! Incredible...
>>>
>>>Man this is great. I started in New York, and I'm just getting through
>>>Denver, all on that three gallons of gas (OK the gas ran out in
>>>Kansas, but I"m still going.)
>>>
>>>Now, I'm writing this on my Blackberry while on the road. Steering and
>>>driving doesn't seem that hard without gas, but I've got one problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>How do I get unstuck from the back of this semi?
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> --
>> lab~rat >:-)
>> Stupid humans...
>


--
lab~rat >:-)
Stupid humans...

It was a trick with ultrasonics. There had been rumors of ultrasonic
carburetors in GM for several years, the so-called 30 mpg box, and it was
supposed to be wired with transducers and such. Of course, the guy I ran
into who claimed to really have one until the first service on his new '74
Impala could have just been describing an early test Q-Jet with the
electronics plugged in. He claimed he got around 20 mpg with his Impala and
then 13 when it was gone.

I positioned an ultrasonic transducer above the barrels and pumped in a
40khz signal. I really didn't have anything to base it on and was just
trial and error. The transducers I had were surplus electronics items and
were not designed for the heat, gas, or anything, so they failed after about
a week. I went through 4 of them.

The idea was that ultrasonics let the gas and air atomize better and that
would improve fuel economy. It appears that it did. With more time, money,
and equipment, it might have been a good deal, positioning them under the
carb, in the intake, or maybe above and below, but I didn't have the
resources to do all that. I never had the chance to really tune for mileage
as by the time I ran enough miles and gas, they had failed. If I had
transducers that could have lasted, I could have tried turning the carb for
the ultrasonics and seen if they actually

Since them, the EFI, TBI, and TPI all have created much better atomization
than carbs did so it is academic today. If it improved over the fuel
injection, it might only be 1 mpg or so, and that isn't really worth the
effort.


"lab~rat >:-)" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:53:49 -0400, "Tom in Missouri"
> > puked:
>
>>There are a lot of scams and a lot of snake oil out there, but one thing I
>>did try years ago did actually work. Unfortunately, the parts I used were
>>not designed for such use or in the environment I was using them, and so
>>after a few days, they failed. But during that time, gas on the test car
>>(my daily commuter which was going about 80 miles per day) went from 22-23
>>to 25. I had only gotten 25 a couple of times before - long flat non-stop
>>highway trips at 55-60 mph. This was tested in mostly city driving.
>>
>>However, since it involved helping things atomize quicker/better, and the
>>EFI/TBI/TPI all does that just as well today, there isn't any point in me
>>trying to build one again.
>
> The suspense is killing me...
>
>>
>>So occasionally, you do find some of these that do work. You just want to
>>not get too involved in expense looking for them, or you could buy more
>>gas
>>than you will ever save.
>>
>>
>>"Ric Seyler" > wrote in message
...
>>> Steve wrote:
>>>
>>>>With the cost of crude oil hitting $90 a barrel, this is something you
>>>>can't
>>>>pass up! This is not a SCAM and can save you real money. A quick down
>>>>and
>>>>dirty of how this works:
>>>>
>>> Magnets on the fuel line or the "Turbonator" behind the air cleaner?
>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> lab~rat >:-)
> Stupid humans...

I've been great, Thank you.

How are those two slobs you drive, the Camaro and El Camino.

I hope all is well with you.

RK
"lab~rat >:-)" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:29:50 GMT, "Refinish King"
> > puked:
>
>>LOFL!
>>
>>I hope you aren't doing that with the El Camino?
>
> Nah, it's still swallowing gas by the quart. How've ya been?
>
>>
>>RK
>>"lab~rat >:-)" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:03:11 -0400, PeterD > puked:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:53:11 -0600, Ric Seyler >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Steve wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>With the cost of crude oil hitting $90 a barrel, this is something you
>>>>>>can't
>>>>>>pass up! This is not a SCAM and can save you real money. A quick
>>>>>>down
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>dirty of how this works:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Magnets on the fuel line or the "Turbonator" behind the air cleaner?
>>>>>LOLOLOLOLOL
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I used to think that magnets were just a joke, but then I tried it.
>>>>
>>>>I broke apart about a zillion dead hard drives. Got all the magnets
>>>>out of them (there were an average of two magnets in each drive, so I
>>>>had two zillion of 'em)
>>>>
>>>>Next I glued them to the fuel lines, which took about 20 or so
>>>>magnets. What I did next was nothing short of brilliant. I glued the
>>>>remaining magnets to the front bumper, grill, and everwhere else I
>>>>could on the front. Even around the windshield.
>>>>
>>>>You guessed it, I got on the highway and soon found that i didn't even
>>>>have to press the accelerator. I'd only about two or three gallons of
>>>>gas left in the tank anyway, and eventually that ran out, just with
>>>>the engine idling. The engine shut down, and I'm still doing about 70+
>>>>MPH! Incredible...
>>>>
>>>>Man this is great. I started in New York, and I'm just getting through
>>>>Denver, all on that three gallons of gas (OK the gas ran out in
>>>>Kansas, but I"m still going.)
>>>>
>>>>Now, I'm writing this on my Blackberry while on the road. Steering and
>>>>driving doesn't seem that hard without gas, but I've got one problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>How do I get unstuck from the back of this semi?
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> --
>>> lab~rat >:-)
>>> Stupid humans...
>>
>
>
> --
> lab~rat >:-)
> Stupid humans...

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:59:17 GMT, "Refinish King"
> puked:

>I've been great, Thank you.
>
>How are those two slobs you drive, the Camaro and El Camino.

LOL Still drivin' them. No real progress on the Elky, unless keeping
it on the street and running strong is progress...


>
>I hope all is well with you.
>
>RK
>"lab~rat >:-)" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:29:50 GMT, "Refinish King"
>> > puked:
>>
>>>LOFL!
>>>
>>>I hope you aren't doing that with the El Camino?
>>
>> Nah, it's still swallowing gas by the quart. How've ya been?
>>
>>>
>>>RK
>>>"lab~rat >:-)" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:03:11 -0400, PeterD > puked:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:53:11 -0600, Ric Seyler >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Steve wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>With the cost of crude oil hitting $90 a barrel, this is something you
>>>>>>>can't
>>>>>>>pass up! This is not a SCAM and can save you real money. A quick
>>>>>>>down
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>dirty of how this works:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Magnets on the fuel line or the "Turbonator" behind the air cleaner?
>>>>>>LOLOLOLOLOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I used to think that magnets were just a joke, but then I tried it.
>>>>>
>>>>>I broke apart about a zillion dead hard drives. Got all the magnets
>>>>>out of them (there were an average of two magnets in each drive, so I
>>>>>had two zillion of 'em)
>>>>>
>>>>>Next I glued them to the fuel lines, which took about 20 or so
>>>>>magnets. What I did next was nothing short of brilliant. I glued the
>>>>>remaining magnets to the front bumper, grill, and everwhere else I
>>>>>could on the front. Even around the windshield.
>>>>>
>>>>>You guessed it, I got on the highway and soon found that i didn't even
>>>>>have to press the accelerator. I'd only about two or three gallons of
>>>>>gas left in the tank anyway, and eventually that ran out, just with
>>>>>the engine idling. The engine shut down, and I'm still doing about 70+
>>>>>MPH! Incredible...
>>>>>
>>>>>Man this is great. I started in New York, and I'm just getting through
>>>>>Denver, all on that three gallons of gas (OK the gas ran out in
>>>>>Kansas, but I"m still going.)
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, I'm writing this on my Blackberry while on the road. Steering and
>>>>>driving doesn't seem that hard without gas, but I've got one problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>How do I get unstuck from the back of this semi?
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> lab~rat >:-)
>>>> Stupid humans...
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> lab~rat >:-)
>> Stupid humans...
>


--
lab~rat >:-)
Stupid humans...

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:09:25 -0400, "Tom in Missouri"
> puked:

>It was a trick with ultrasonics. There had been rumors of ultrasonic
>carburetors in GM for several years, the so-called 30 mpg box, and it was
>supposed to be wired with transducers and such. Of course, the guy I ran
>into who claimed to really have one until the first service on his new '74
>Impala could have just been describing an early test Q-Jet with the
>electronics plugged in. He claimed he got around 20 mpg with his Impala and
>then 13 when it was gone.
>
>I positioned an ultrasonic transducer above the barrels and pumped in a
>40khz signal. I really didn't have anything to base it on and was just
>trial and error. The transducers I had were surplus electronics items and
>were not designed for the heat, gas, or anything, so they failed after about
>a week. I went through 4 of them.
>
>The idea was that ultrasonics let the gas and air atomize better and that
>would improve fuel economy. It appears that it did. With more time, money,
>and equipment, it might have been a good deal, positioning them under the
>carb, in the intake, or maybe above and below, but I didn't have the
>resources to do all that. I never had the chance to really tune for mileage
>as by the time I ran enough miles and gas, they had failed. If I had
>transducers that could have lasted, I could have tried turning the carb for
>the ultrasonics and seen if they actually
>
>Since them, the EFI, TBI, and TPI all have created much better atomization
>than carbs did so it is academic today. If it improved over the fuel
>injection, it might only be 1 mpg or so, and that isn't really worth the
>effort.

Cool, but there are a lot of carbs still on the road...

>
>
>"lab~rat >:-)" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:53:49 -0400, "Tom in Missouri"
>> > puked:
>>
>>>There are a lot of scams and a lot of snake oil out there, but one thing I
>>>did try years ago did actually work. Unfortunately, the parts I used were
>>>not designed for such use or in the environment I was using them, and so
>>>after a few days, they failed. But during that time, gas on the test car
>>>(my daily commuter which was going about 80 miles per day) went from 22-23
>>>to 25. I had only gotten 25 a couple of times before - long flat non-stop
>>>highway trips at 55-60 mph. This was tested in mostly city driving.
>>>
>>>However, since it involved helping things atomize quicker/better, and the
>>>EFI/TBI/TPI all does that just as well today, there isn't any point in me
>>>trying to build one again.
>>
>> The suspense is killing me...
>>
>>>
>>>So occasionally, you do find some of these that do work. You just want to
>>>not get too involved in expense looking for them, or you could buy more
>>>gas
>>>than you will ever save.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Ric Seyler" > wrote in message
...
>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>With the cost of crude oil hitting $90 a barrel, this is something you
>>>>>can't
>>>>>pass up! This is not a SCAM and can save you real money. A quick down
>>>>>and
>>>>>dirty of how this works:
>>>>>
>>>> Magnets on the fuel line or the "Turbonator" behind the air cleaner?
>>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> lab~rat >:-)
>> Stupid humans...
>


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