1.8T -VWs worst engine-ever?

Also, while the coil was a major fiasco and poorly handled at first by VW,
it doesn't at all make the engine bad.

If a spark plug went bad, would someone say that the engine is poorly
designed or made? I think not.

"Woodchuck" > wrote in message
...
> Gee, out of all the TSB's you listed I see only 3 which pertain to
possible
> problems. The majority of the others are helpful information to let the
> tech fix or clean your VW better.
>
>
> "JH" > wrote in message
> m...
> > What a great engine...
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > Bulletins for 2002 Volkswagen GTI 1.8L T L4-1781cc 1.8L Turbo
> >
> > Service Bulletins
> >
> > TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
> >
> > 1. 9704-02 APR 04 Ignition System - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's Set
> > 2. 0104-05 APR 04 Engine Control Module - Unnecessary Replacement
> > 3. 9104-01 FEB 04 Audio System - CD Player/Changer Display ERR Code 1
> > 4. 9104-02 FEB 04 Audio System - Radio Inoperative Following
> > Replacement
> > 5. 5004-01 JAN 04 Body - Industrial Fallout Paint Damage
> > 6. 9103-02 DEC 03 Audio System - Radio Knobs Loose/Broken
> > 7. 2003-02 MAY 03 Emissions - Evaporative Emissions System Testing
> > 8. 0103-04 APR 03 Engine Controls - Misfire DTC's Set
> > 9. 1003-01 FEB 03 Engine - Replacement Precautions/Recommendations
> > 10. 0103-02 FEB 03 Ignition System - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's Set/Rough
> > Running
> > 11. 0102-03 JUN 02 Engine Controls - No Scan Tool Communication
> > 12. 9102-04 MAR 02 Audio System - Poor Radio Sound Quality/Bass
> > 13. 9102-02 MAR 02 Radio - Poor Sound Quality/Insufficient L/H Side
Bass
> > 14. 0102-02 MAR 02 Immobilizer System - Obtaining PIN Number
> > 15. 0102-01 FEB 02 Diagnostic Tester - 7 Digit Immobilizer PIN Update
> > 16. 6902-01 FEB 02 Deployed Air Bag - Repair Warning
> > 17. 9102-01 JAN 02 Premium VI Radio - Controls Do Not Respond
> > 18. 9101-05 NOV 01 Radio (Premium VI) - Maximum Turn-On Volume
> > Inoperative
> > 19. 4401-05 AUG 01 Alloy Wheels - Cleaning Procedure
> > 20. 7001-02 AUG 01 Interior Fabrics, Vinyls and Plastics - Dirty or
> > Soiled
> > 21. 7001-01 AUG 01 Leather Upholstery - Dirty/Stained
> > 22. 5001-01 AUG 01 Paint - Swirl Mark and Fine Scratch Reduction
> > 23. MAINTVMS01-03 AUG 01 Scheduled Maintenance - Procedures Update
> > 24. 0101-04 AUG 01 ECM - MIL ON, DTCs P0604, P0605, P0606 ECM
Defective
> > ---
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2727361.stm
> >
> >> The German carmaker Volkswagen said it was recalling up to 850,000
cars.
> >>
> >> Volkswagen said on Tuesday the problem affected Audis, Skodas, Seats
> >> and VWs fitted with 1.8-litre turbo
> >
> >> "The failure of an ignition coil could affect the engine's operation
> >> and is noticeable by rough running or reduced power output," the car
> >> maker said in a statement.
> > ---
> > http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?did=948&scid=122
> >
> >> Volkswagen and Audi are extending the engine warranty on two of their
> >> most popular models because of a sludge problem with the
four-cylinder,
> >> turbocharged engine.
> >>
> >> The vehicles are the 1998-2004 Volkswagen Passats and the 1997-2004
Audi
> >> A4s, both of which share the 1.8-liter engine
> >>
> >> Volkswagen of America and Audi of America are part of Volkswagen AG.
> >>
> >> In a letter being sent to owners, the automaker said it is extending
the
> >> warranty because some consumers have complained of engine problems
> >> resulting from oil sludge.
> >>
> >> Sludge is a thickening of the oil because moisture and contaminants
build
> >> up and break down the oil, causing it to gel. That may reduce the flow
of
> >> oil through the engine, causing excess wear or a failure.
> >>
> > ---
> > http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1d4sludge.html
> >
> >> In the latest example of Volkswagen of America's quality woes, the
> >> automaker is warning 426,000 VW Passat and Audi A4 owners of an
> >> engine oil sludge problem.
> >>
> >> Advertisement Affected are 1.8-liter turbocharged four-cylinder
> >> engines on 1998 to 2004 Passats and 1997 to 2004 A4s. VW won't say
> >> how many engines have been replaced or repaired or what it is
> >> spending to fix the problem.
> >>
> >> Owners began receiving letters from VWoA last month. Remedies range
> >> from extending warranties to covering repair costs. That includes
> >> replacing engines.
> >>
> >> Sludge buildup causes engine performance to deteriorate. In extreme
> >> cases, sludge can cause engines to seize.
> >>
> >> The timing couldn't be worse. VW Division has old products, and sales
> >> are down 11.5 percent for the first seven months compared with the
> >> year-ago period. And it has been only a year since VW voluntarily
> >> recalled more than 500,000 vehicles because of faulty engine ignition
> >> coils.
> > ---
>
>

The 1.8t has been on trade magazine "Ward's Auto World's" list of 10
best engines on at least one occasion, in the company with BMW's sixes
and other very good engines. Ward's liked its broad power band and
minimal turbo lag. While the 1.8t has had the resolved-under-warranty
coil problems and can sludge up if the oil isn't changed when
recommended, it is far from VW's worst engine ever and is, in fact, a
very good engine. If you were to single out VW's worst engine ever, it
would probably be the air-cooled engine that created VW. This, of
course, is not because it was a bad engine for its time, but because
time marches on.

TF wrote:
>
> Also, while the coil was a major fiasco and poorly handled at first by VW,
> it doesn't at all make the engine bad.
>
> If a spark plug went bad, would someone say that the engine is poorly
> designed or made? I think not.
>
> "Woodchuck" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Gee, out of all the TSB's you listed I see only 3 which pertain to
> possible
> > problems. The majority of the others are helpful information to let the
> > tech fix or clean your VW better.
> >
> >
> > "JH" > wrote in message
> > m...
> > > What a great engine...
> > >
> > > LOL
> > >
> > > Bulletins for 2002 Volkswagen GTI 1.8L T L4-1781cc 1.8L Turbo
> > >
> > > Service Bulletins
> > >
> > > TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
> > >
> > > 1. 9704-02 APR 04 Ignition System - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's Set
> > > 2. 0104-05 APR 04 Engine Control Module - Unnecessary Replacement
> > > 3. 9104-01 FEB 04 Audio System - CD Player/Changer Display ERR Code 1
> > > 4. 9104-02 FEB 04 Audio System - Radio Inoperative Following
> > > Replacement
> > > 5. 5004-01 JAN 04 Body - Industrial Fallout Paint Damage
> > > 6. 9103-02 DEC 03 Audio System - Radio Knobs Loose/Broken
> > > 7. 2003-02 MAY 03 Emissions - Evaporative Emissions System Testing
> > > 8. 0103-04 APR 03 Engine Controls - Misfire DTC's Set
> > > 9. 1003-01 FEB 03 Engine - Replacement Precautions/Recommendations
> > > 10. 0103-02 FEB 03 Ignition System - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's Set/Rough
> > > Running
> > > 11. 0102-03 JUN 02 Engine Controls - No Scan Tool Communication
> > > 12. 9102-04 MAR 02 Audio System - Poor Radio Sound Quality/Bass
> > > 13. 9102-02 MAR 02 Radio - Poor Sound Quality/Insufficient L/H Side
> Bass
> > > 14. 0102-02 MAR 02 Immobilizer System - Obtaining PIN Number
> > > 15. 0102-01 FEB 02 Diagnostic Tester - 7 Digit Immobilizer PIN Update
> > > 16. 6902-01 FEB 02 Deployed Air Bag - Repair Warning
> > > 17. 9102-01 JAN 02 Premium VI Radio - Controls Do Not Respond
> > > 18. 9101-05 NOV 01 Radio (Premium VI) - Maximum Turn-On Volume
> > > Inoperative
> > > 19. 4401-05 AUG 01 Alloy Wheels - Cleaning Procedure
> > > 20. 7001-02 AUG 01 Interior Fabrics, Vinyls and Plastics - Dirty or
> > > Soiled
> > > 21. 7001-01 AUG 01 Leather Upholstery - Dirty/Stained
> > > 22. 5001-01 AUG 01 Paint - Swirl Mark and Fine Scratch Reduction
> > > 23. MAINTVMS01-03 AUG 01 Scheduled Maintenance - Procedures Update
> > > 24. 0101-04 AUG 01 ECM - MIL ON, DTCs P0604, P0605, P0606 ECM
> Defective
> > > ---
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2727361.stm
> > >
> > >> The German carmaker Volkswagen said it was recalling up to 850,000
> cars.
> > >>
> > >> Volkswagen said on Tuesday the problem affected Audis, Skodas, Seats
> > >> and VWs fitted with 1.8-litre turbo
> > >
> > >> "The failure of an ignition coil could affect the engine's operation
> > >> and is noticeable by rough running or reduced power output," the car
> > >> maker said in a statement.
> > > ---
> > > http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?did=948&scid=122
> > >
> > >> Volkswagen and Audi are extending the engine warranty on two of their
> > >> most popular models because of a sludge problem with the
> four-cylinder,
> > >> turbocharged engine.
> > >>
> > >> The vehicles are the 1998-2004 Volkswagen Passats and the 1997-2004
> Audi
> > >> A4s, both of which share the 1.8-liter engine
> > >>
> > >> Volkswagen of America and Audi of America are part of Volkswagen AG.
> > >>
> > >> In a letter being sent to owners, the automaker said it is extending
> the
> > >> warranty because some consumers have complained of engine problems
> > >> resulting from oil sludge.
> > >>
> > >> Sludge is a thickening of the oil because moisture and contaminants
> build
> > >> up and break down the oil, causing it to gel. That may reduce the flow
> of
> > >> oil through the engine, causing excess wear or a failure.
> > >>
> > > ---
> > > http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1d4sludge.html
> > >
> > >> In the latest example of Volkswagen of America's quality woes, the
> > >> automaker is warning 426,000 VW Passat and Audi A4 owners of an
> > >> engine oil sludge problem.
> > >>
> > >> Advertisement Affected are 1.8-liter turbocharged four-cylinder
> > >> engines on 1998 to 2004 Passats and 1997 to 2004 A4s. VW won't say
> > >> how many engines have been replaced or repaired or what it is
> > >> spending to fix the problem.
> > >>
> > >> Owners began receiving letters from VWoA last month. Remedies range
> > >> from extending warranties to covering repair costs. That includes
> > >> replacing engines.
> > >>
> > >> Sludge buildup causes engine performance to deteriorate. In extreme
> > >> cases, sludge can cause engines to seize.
> > >>
> > >> The timing couldn't be worse. VW Division has old products, and sales
> > >> are down 11.5 percent for the first seven months compared with the
> > >> year-ago period. And it has been only a year since VW voluntarily
> > >> recalled more than 500,000 vehicles because of faulty engine ignition
> > >> coils.
> > > ---
> >
> >

Whether it pertains to the engine or not, that list is easily dwarfed
by TSB lists of other makes of same year.




JH > wrote in message om>...
> What a great engine...
>
> LOL
>
> Bulletins for 2002 Volkswagen GTI 1.8L T L4-1781cc 1.8L Turbo
>
> Service Bulletins
>
> TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
>
> 1. 9704-02 APR 04 Ignition System - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's Set
> 2. 0104-05 APR 04 Engine Control Module - Unnecessary Replacement
> 3. 9104-01 FEB 04 Audio System - CD Player/Changer Display ERR Code 1
> 4. 9104-02 FEB 04 Audio System - Radio Inoperative Following Replacement
> 5. 5004-01 JAN 04 Body - Industrial Fallout Paint Damage
> 6. 9103-02 DEC 03 Audio System - Radio Knobs Loose/Broken
> 7. 2003-02 MAY 03 Emissions - Evaporative Emissions System Testing
> 8. 0103-04 APR 03 Engine Controls - Misfire DTC's Set
> 9. 1003-01 FEB 03 Engine - Replacement Precautions/Recommendations
> 10. 0103-02 FEB 03 Ignition System - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's Set/Rough
> Running
> 11. 0102-03 JUN 02 Engine Controls - No Scan Tool Communication
> 12. 9102-04 MAR 02 Audio System - Poor Radio Sound Quality/Bass
> 13. 9102-02 MAR 02 Radio - Poor Sound Quality/Insufficient L/H Side Bass
> 14. 0102-02 MAR 02 Immobilizer System - Obtaining PIN Number
> 15. 0102-01 FEB 02 Diagnostic Tester - 7 Digit Immobilizer PIN Update
> 16. 6902-01 FEB 02 Deployed Air Bag - Repair Warning
> 17. 9102-01 JAN 02 Premium VI Radio - Controls Do Not Respond
> 18. 9101-05 NOV 01 Radio (Premium VI) - Maximum Turn-On Volume
> Inoperative
> 19. 4401-05 AUG 01 Alloy Wheels - Cleaning Procedure
> 20. 7001-02 AUG 01 Interior Fabrics, Vinyls and Plastics - Dirty or
> Soiled
> 21. 7001-01 AUG 01 Leather Upholstery - Dirty/Stained
> 22. 5001-01 AUG 01 Paint - Swirl Mark and Fine Scratch Reduction
> 23. MAINTVMS01-03 AUG 01 Scheduled Maintenance - Procedures Update
> 24. 0101-04 AUG 01 ECM - MIL ON, DTCs P0604, P0605, P0606 ECM Defective
> ---
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2727361.stm
>
> > The German carmaker Volkswagen said it was recalling up to 850,000
> > cars.
> >
> > Volkswagen said on Tuesday the problem affected Audis, Skodas, Seats
> > and VWs fitted with 1.8-litre turbo
>
> > "The failure of an ignition coil could affect the engine's operation
> > and is noticeable by rough running or reduced power output," the car
> > maker said in a statement.
> ---
> http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?did=948&scid=122
>
> > Volkswagen and Audi are extending the engine warranty on two of their
> > most popular models because of a sludge problem with the
> > four-cylinder, turbocharged engine.
> >
> > The vehicles are the 1998-2004 Volkswagen Passats and the 1997-2004
> > Audi A4s, both of which share the 1.8-liter engine
> >
> > Volkswagen of America and Audi of America are part of Volkswagen AG.
> >
> > In a letter being sent to owners, the automaker said it is extending
> > the warranty because some consumers have complained of engine
> > problems resulting from oil sludge.
> >
> > Sludge is a thickening of the oil because moisture and contaminants
> > build up and break down the oil, causing it to gel. That may reduce
> > the flow of oil through the engine, causing excess wear or a failure.
> >
> ---
> http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1d4sludge.html
>
> > In the latest example of Volkswagen of America's quality woes, the
> > automaker is warning 426,000 VW Passat and Audi A4 owners of an
> > engine oil sludge problem.
> >
> > Advertisement Affected are 1.8-liter turbocharged four-cylinder
> > engines on 1998 to 2004 Passats and 1997 to 2004 A4s. VW won't say
> > how many engines have been replaced or repaired or what it is
> > spending to fix the problem.
> >
> > Owners began receiving letters from VWoA last month. Remedies range
> > from extending warranties to covering repair costs. That includes
> > replacing engines.
> >
> > Sludge buildup causes engine performance to deteriorate. In extreme
> > cases, sludge can cause engines to seize.
> >
> > The timing couldn't be worse. VW Division has old products, and sales
> > are down 11.5 percent for the first seven months compared with the
> > year-ago period. And it has been only a year since VW voluntarily
> > recalled more than 500,000 vehicles because of faulty engine ignition
> > coils.
> ---

The current 2.0L is pretty useless as far as engines go... It has decent low
end grunt, but the TDI's have way more (and the diesels don't use any oil...
at least mine doesn't with 108K Kms on the clock)... There is some power in
the midrange, and almost none in the higher revs.... The 2.0L's seem to all
drink oil and they aren't the greatest engines for fuel consumption.
> wrote in message
...
> The 1.8t has been on trade magazine "Ward's Auto World's" list of 10
> best engines on at least one occasion, in the company with BMW's sixes
> and other very good engines. Ward's liked its broad power band and
> minimal turbo lag. While the 1.8t has had the resolved-under-warranty
> coil problems and can sludge up if the oil isn't changed when
> recommended, it is far from VW's worst engine ever and is, in fact, a
> very good engine. If you were to single out VW's worst engine ever, it
> would probably be the air-cooled engine that created VW. This, of
> course, is not because it was a bad engine for its time, but because
> time marches on.
>
> TF wrote:
>>
>> Also, while the coil was a major fiasco and poorly handled at first by
>> VW,
>> it doesn't at all make the engine bad.
>>
>> If a spark plug went bad, would someone say that the engine is poorly
>> designed or made? I think not.
>>
>> "Woodchuck" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Gee, out of all the TSB's you listed I see only 3 which pertain to
>> possible
>> > problems. The majority of the others are helpful information to let
>> > the
>> > tech fix or clean your VW better.
>> >
>> >
>> > "JH" > wrote in message
>> > m...
>> > > What a great engine...
>> > >
>> > > LOL
>> > >
>> > > Bulletins for 2002 Volkswagen GTI 1.8L T L4-1781cc 1.8L Turbo
>> > >
>> > > Service Bulletins
>> > >
>> > > TSB Number Issue Date TSB Title
>> > >
>> > > 1. 9704-02 APR 04 Ignition System - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's Set
>> > > 2. 0104-05 APR 04 Engine Control Module - Unnecessary Replacement
>> > > 3. 9104-01 FEB 04 Audio System - CD Player/Changer Display ERR
>> > > Code 1
>> > > 4. 9104-02 FEB 04 Audio System - Radio Inoperative Following
>> > > Replacement
>> > > 5. 5004-01 JAN 04 Body - Industrial Fallout Paint Damage
>> > > 6. 9103-02 DEC 03 Audio System - Radio Knobs Loose/Broken
>> > > 7. 2003-02 MAY 03 Emissions - Evaporative Emissions System Testing
>> > > 8. 0103-04 APR 03 Engine Controls - Misfire DTC's Set
>> > > 9. 1003-01 FEB 03 Engine - Replacement Precautions/Recommendations
>> > > 10. 0103-02 FEB 03 Ignition System - MIL ON/Misfire DTC's Set/Rough
>> > > Running
>> > > 11. 0102-03 JUN 02 Engine Controls - No Scan Tool Communication
>> > > 12. 9102-04 MAR 02 Audio System - Poor Radio Sound Quality/Bass
>> > > 13. 9102-02 MAR 02 Radio - Poor Sound Quality/Insufficient L/H Side
>> Bass
>> > > 14. 0102-02 MAR 02 Immobilizer System - Obtaining PIN Number
>> > > 15. 0102-01 FEB 02 Diagnostic Tester - 7 Digit Immobilizer PIN
>> > > Update
>> > > 16. 6902-01 FEB 02 Deployed Air Bag - Repair Warning
>> > > 17. 9102-01 JAN 02 Premium VI Radio - Controls Do Not Respond
>> > > 18. 9101-05 NOV 01 Radio (Premium VI) - Maximum Turn-On Volume
>> > > Inoperative
>> > > 19. 4401-05 AUG 01 Alloy Wheels - Cleaning Procedure
>> > > 20. 7001-02 AUG 01 Interior Fabrics, Vinyls and Plastics - Dirty or
>> > > Soiled
>> > > 21. 7001-01 AUG 01 Leather Upholstery - Dirty/Stained
>> > > 22. 5001-01 AUG 01 Paint - Swirl Mark and Fine Scratch Reduction
>> > > 23. MAINTVMS01-03 AUG 01 Scheduled Maintenance - Procedures Update
>> > > 24. 0101-04 AUG 01 ECM - MIL ON, DTCs P0604, P0605, P0606 ECM
>> Defective
>> > > ---
>> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2727361.stm
>> > >
>> > >> The German carmaker Volkswagen said it was recalling up to 850,000
>> cars.
>> > >>
>> > >> Volkswagen said on Tuesday the problem affected Audis, Skodas, Seats
>> > >> and VWs fitted with 1.8-litre turbo
>> > >
>> > >> "The failure of an ignition coil could affect the engine's operation
>> > >> and is noticeable by rough running or reduced power output," the
>> > >> car
>> > >> maker said in a statement.
>> > > ---
>> > > http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?did=948&scid=122
>> > >
>> > >> Volkswagen and Audi are extending the engine warranty on two of
>> > >> their
>> > >> most popular models because of a sludge problem with the
>> four-cylinder,
>> > >> turbocharged engine.
>> > >>
>> > >> The vehicles are the 1998-2004 Volkswagen Passats and the 1997-2004
>> Audi
>> > >> A4s, both of which share the 1.8-liter engine
>> > >>
>> > >> Volkswagen of America and Audi of America are part of Volkswagen AG.
>> > >>
>> > >> In a letter being sent to owners, the automaker said it is extending
>> the
>> > >> warranty because some consumers have complained of engine problems
>> > >> resulting from oil sludge.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sludge is a thickening of the oil because moisture and contaminants
>> build
>> > >> up and break down the oil, causing it to gel. That may reduce the
>> > >> flow
>> of
>> > >> oil through the engine, causing excess wear or a failure.
>> > >>
>> > > ---
>> > > http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...1d4sludge.html
>> > >
>> > >> In the latest example of Volkswagen of America's quality woes, the
>> > >> automaker is warning 426,000 VW Passat and Audi A4 owners of an
>> > >> engine oil sludge problem.
>> > >>
>> > >> Advertisement Affected are 1.8-liter turbocharged four-cylinder
>> > >> engines on 1998 to 2004 Passats and 1997 to 2004 A4s. VW won't say
>> > >> how many engines have been replaced or repaired or what it is
>> > >> spending to fix the problem.
>> > >>
>> > >> Owners began receiving letters from VWoA last month. Remedies range
>> > >> from extending warranties to covering repair costs. That includes
>> > >> replacing engines.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sludge buildup causes engine performance to deteriorate. In extreme
>> > >> cases, sludge can cause engines to seize.
>> > >>
>> > >> The timing couldn't be worse. VW Division has old products, and
>> > >> sales
>> > >> are down 11.5 percent for the first seven months compared with the
>> > >> year-ago period. And it has been only a year since VW voluntarily
>> > >> recalled more than 500,000 vehicles because of faulty engine
>> > >> ignition
>> > >> coils.
>> > > ---
>> >
>> >

No, I'd say it makes for GREAT donor material when transplanted into an
early chassis.


Keep lining up those motor mount holes VW.


TBerk
I know, it aint all cake n' icing.