Toyota Doesn't Know How to Fix GX460's Stability Control Yet

"The Japanese automaker also said it had been able to duplicate a flaw
in the skid control system on new Lexus GX 460 sport utility vehicles,
but said it had not yet settled on exactly how to fix the problem.

The automaker stopped selling the Lexus GX460, a SUV sold by Toyota’s
luxury brand, earlier this week after Consumer Reports deemed the
truck unsafe to drive because its skid controls allowed the vehicle to
veer to the side before regaining control in certain maneuvers.

http://www.freep.com/article/2010041...come-in-summer

On Apr 17, 1:20*am, john > wrote:
> "The Japanese automaker also said it had been able to duplicate a flaw
> in the skid control system on new Lexus GX 460 sport utility vehicles,
> but said it had not yet settled on exactly how to fix the problem.
>
> The automaker stopped selling the Lexus GX460, a SUV sold by Toyota’s
> luxury brand, earlier this week after Consumer Reports deemed the
> truck unsafe to drive because its skid controls allowed the vehicle to
> veer to the side before regaining control in certain maneuvers.
>
> http://www.freep.com/article/2010041...6/1331/busines...

The real point of all this is Toyota does their own tests and knew and
ignored it. The 4 runner is the same chassis but its fine so you dont
need an Einstein to know the fix, especialy if you are the one that
built the dam truck. They know how to fix it, they is a Lyin agaiiin.

>"The Japanese automaker also said it had been able to duplicate a flaw
> in the skid control system on new Lexus GX 460 sport utility vehicles,
> but said it had not yet settled on exactly how to fix the problem.
>

This could be a problem with the Asian culture or language.

For one, I think it is rude in that culture to point out that something is
wrong? To confront someone and say they are not correct, etc. To tell
someone their product has faults. No problem doing this in America...

Then due to the complexity of languages there, I think it is common for
people to never fully understand everything in their languages. I think they
tend to be passive if they don't understand something someone says - do
nothing. In America we would say "What do you mean? Please explain!"

As a result of this (or something else?), they have a weakness in the
software and quality control areas. Things will mostly work to the
specifications, but will not work exactly right.

For example I bought a USB to Serial adapter made in Asia. It mostly worked
ok, but could not send or receive a BREAK signal! This would be buried deep
in the English language technical specifications. Someone designing this
product probably did not understand the translation, so did nothing...

Then there is a WALL between America and Asia. I can't exactly call them up
or send them an email and explain what is wrong with their product
technically. They would not understand what I was talking about. I have
tried this in the past and they were defensive. Could not understand what I
was saying. So I don't even try anymore.

me wrote:

> I had a problem with my Toyota back in 1986 while still under factory
> warranty. It was a relatively small problem but could result in a car
> fire. It was clearly a design issue and likely affecting every single
> Toyota they'd made.

You know. the above statement makes you look like a complete ignoramus
who has lost all touch with reality. In other words a typical usenet
poster.

Let's examine the statement: You have an opinion about an automobile
defect. Obviously there are also numerous automobile engineers and
safety experts with their own opinions that do not agree with yours. But
yet in spite of these facts that should be obvious to anyone reading,
you clearly expect that everyone who reads your statement will
automatically agree with your opinion without even knowing what exactly
that opinion is. Did it even cross your mind that you just leaped off a
huge cliff and now you have nothing but 1000's of feet of empty space
underneath you?

-jim

On 4/17/2010 4:27 AM, me wrote:

> I had a problem with my Toyota back in 1986 while still under factory
> warranty. It was a relatively small problem but could result in a car
> fire. It was clearly a design issue and likely affecting every single
> Toyota they'd made.
>

What was the problem? Is there a reason why you are not saying what it
is? I'd sure want to know. Thanks.

"me" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 06:21:31 -0700, "Bill"
> > wrote:
>
>>This could be a problem with the Asian culture or language.
>>
>>For one, I think it is rude in that culture to point out that something is
>>wrong? To confront someone and say they are not correct, etc. To tell
>>someone their product has faults. No problem doing this in America...
>>
>>Then due to the complexity of languages there, I think it is common for
>>people to never fully understand everything in their languages. I think
>>they
>>tend to be passive if they don't understand something someone says - do
>>nothing. In America we would say "What do you mean? Please explain!"
>
> You're in the ballpark, but I don't know that you are hitting the
> nail. Toyota REFUSES to admit to problems, even when they are glaring
> and obvious and have serious implications.

In this part of the country, you would be known as a "turdhead".

Companies make mistakes.. What really matters is how they deal
with the mistake after it occurs.

If it is a GM mistake, it is normally ignored.

If Toyota makes a mistake, a "turdhead" normally tries to make it
more than it is.

My cars have been considered, even though there was NEVER any
instance of a problem, and they have been updated.

No problem at all.

Except to a "turdhead".

On 4/17/2010 7:17 PM, me wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 09:55:00 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 4/17/2010 4:27 AM, me wrote:
>>
>>> I had a problem with my Toyota back in 1986 while still under factory
>>> warranty. It was a relatively small problem but could result in a car
>>> fire. It was clearly a design issue and likely affecting every single
>>> Toyota they'd made.
>>>
>>
>> What was the problem? Is there a reason why you are not saying what it
>> is? I'd sure want to know. Thanks.
>
> The problem was three fold: First, the air intake ducts under the cowl
> were on the bottom, not rear (firewall) or ducted from above as they
> are on better designed cars. That allows (and almost begs for) foreign
> matter such as pine needles to be pulled into the duct system. Second,
> the fan then chops that material and sends it along to the third
> problem: the heating fan resistors were exposed wound wire type that
> literally glowed cherry red when used to keep the fan on lower speeds
> (unlike properly designed systems in other vehicles where they are
> encased in an aluminum cover/heatsink).
>
> The result was that the bottom draft duct design allowed the material
> to be pulled in, the fan then chopped it up and packed it against the
> resistors, then the resistors ignited it. Fire would result, with the
> fan literally fanning the flames.
>
> The ductwork problem is not easily rectified in the field, it's a
> engineering issue. However, the problem could have been repaired
> simply by encasing the resistors in an aluminum heatsink/cover that
> would have prevented ignition.

Thanks for the info. I'll have to check this out when I see an 86 Toyota.

"john" > wrote in message
...
"The Japanese automaker also said it had been able to duplicate a flaw
in the skid control system on new Lexus GX 460 sport utility vehicles,
but said it had not yet settled on exactly how to fix the problem.


Your subject line is a misleading (almost certainly your aim).

They have not decided how to implement the fix, it is not that they
dont know how to do it. Two very different things...

"me" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:12:19 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>>Thanks for the info. I'll have to check this out when I see an 86 Toyota.
>
> You'll have to, because I certainly won't be... that was the third
> Toyota I owned, but the last. So, I don't know when they moved to a
> better design like other manufacturers were using. Not that other
> manufacturers like Nissan, Honda, etc haven't had their issues too,
> and American history on engineering and defects is sometimes quite the
> hoot. But, I didn't need to be jerked around again by corporate
> attorneys when my car needed a simple $300 warranty repair due to bad
> design.

What do you own/drive now?

john > wrote in
:

> "The Japanese automaker also said it had been able to duplicate a flaw
> in the skid control system on new Lexus GX 460 sport utility vehicles,
> but said it had not yet settled on exactly how to fix the problem.
>
> The automaker stopped selling the Lexus GX460, a SUV sold by Toyota’s
> luxury brand, earlier this week after Consumer Reports deemed the
> truck unsafe to drive because its skid controls allowed the vehicle to
> veer to the side before regaining control in certain maneuvers.
>
> http://www.freep.com/article/2010041...1331/business0
> 1/Toyota-solution-may-come-in-summer

I wasn't aware it wasn't working properly in the first place. I've seen
a skid from hell that by any rights should have rolled the thing, but
not even a tire cocked.

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