Possible Trolls?

Hi John,
I was just making excuses for Americans that have no idea how big
engines run. This Hemi is a throw back of the heavy metal muscle cars of
the fifties. In considering the weight that makes these "new" vibrations
the poster can't understand, are the physical energies of centrifugal,
kinetic, and inertia, that can make a three ounce weight, out of place
on a tire, will lift the weight of that corner of that car off the
ground.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

John Davies wrote:
>
> Don't forget the weight of the connecting rod and wrist pin. Still not
> 12.5 pounds tho
>
> John
>
> John Davies TLCA 14732
> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> '96 Lexus LX450
> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> Spokane WA USA

Bill, the damn engine tries to run on 4 cylinders, then switches back to
8 when you give it gas!

They shut off the hydraulic lifters to 4 cylinders and collapse them
from lack of oil to save 3 mpg!

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/new-mopar-hemi.html

Mike

"L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote:
>
> Hi John,
> I was just making excuses for Americans that have no idea how big
> engines run. This Hemi is a throw back of the heavy metal muscle cars of
> the fifties. In considering the weight that makes these "new" vibrations
> the poster can't understand, are the physical energies of centrifugal,
> kinetic, and inertia, that can make a three ounce weight, out of place
> on a tire, will lift the weight of that corner of that car off the
> ground.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> John Davies wrote:
> >
> > Don't forget the weight of the connecting rod and wrist pin. Still not
> > 12.5 pounds tho
> >
> > John
> >
> > John Davies TLCA 14732
> > http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> > '96 Lexus LX450
> > '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> > Spokane WA USA

They are hooked to a "powder metal forged" rod it appears, which weights
27.6 ounces.I can't imaging a rocker, pushrod, spring or retainer weighs
more than a few ounces each. Given the push rod and piston is just over 2lb
a cylinder, do you really think the rest accounts for almost 84lbs ?

I'd be interested in seeing your breakdown figures.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> Dave?
> Is the aluminum piston the only thing that stops and changes
> direction? aren't they hooked to a forged steel rod? Don't the lifters
> start and stop? Aren't they hooked to push rods, rockers, valves, valve
> springs, keepers, and retainers? for a total of seven hundred pounds.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > ??
> >
> > Hemi pistons weigh 413 grams, less than a lb each. Not 12.5 lb each.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, Aston Martin, Jaguar, TVR etc have no
problems making big engines run smoothly. I think you are being unfair to
American manufacturing by claiming they can't.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> Hi John,
> I was just making excuses for Americans that have no idea how big
> engines run. This Hemi is a throw back of the heavy metal muscle cars of
> the fifties. In considering the weight that makes these "new" vibrations
> the poster can't understand, are the physical energies of centrifugal,
> kinetic, and inertia, that can make a three ounce weight, out of place
> on a tire, will lift the weight of that corner of that car off the
> ground.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> John Davies wrote:
> >
> > Don't forget the weight of the connecting rod and wrist pin. Still not
> > 12.5 pounds tho
> >
> > John
> >
> > John Davies TLCA 14732
> > http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> > '96 Lexus LX450
> > '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> > Spokane WA USA

Big engines? Ferrari, 5,750cc V12 with aluminum rods and roller
everything.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, Aston Martin, Jaguar, TVR etc have no
> problems making big engines run smoothly. I think you are being unfair to
> American manufacturing by claiming they can't.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Titanium rods.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> Big engines? Ferrari, 5,750cc V12 with aluminum rods and roller
> everything.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, Aston Martin, Jaguar, TVR etc have no
> > problems making big engines run smoothly. I think you are being unfair
to
> > American manufacturing by claiming they can't.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Not when he punches it. He does work for DC and he told me he had the ECM
re-flashed to gain about 50hp...

"Mike Romain" > wrote in message
...
> You snipped that wrong.
>
> It's not the hemi that is the trouble, it's the ignition that makes it
> run on only 4 cylinders. Hence my reference to the failed GM 8, 6, 4
> engine.
>
> Ask you buddy if his hemi runs on 4 cylinders or not.
>
> Mike
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > ??? You might want to ask my friend with a Ram with the hemi which
engine he
> > has...
> >
> > "Mike Romain" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > One article somewhere said they couldn't use it on the pickup because
> > > it, the engine, couldn't handle load.

So he has the Hemi with the MDS system in it like they put in the Jeep?

If so then the article I read must have been out of date. It said the
MDS wasn't used in the pickups because of load and reaction time
issues.

It would be interesting to know what he modified for the gain and if it
was a top or bottom end gain. Maybe there is a way to shut the sucker
down and stay in V8 mode?

I come from the muscle car days too and something like that really
messes with the 'Hemi' idea. Wayyyy too many parts and crap. Sounds
like there isn't even a gas pedal cable or linkage. All electronic. No
more shoe lace trail fixes. LOL!

Man, next they will be using microsoft in the ECU.

Mike

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Not when he punches it. He does work for DC and he told me he had the ECM
> re-flashed to gain about 50hp...
>
> "Mike Romain" > wrote in message
> ...
> > You snipped that wrong.
> >
> > It's not the hemi that is the trouble, it's the ignition that makes it
> > run on only 4 cylinders. Hence my reference to the failed GM 8, 6, 4
> > engine.
> >
> > Ask you buddy if his hemi runs on 4 cylinders or not.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > ??? You might want to ask my friend with a Ram with the hemi which
> engine he
> > > has...
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > One article somewhere said they couldn't use it on the pickup because
> > > > it, the engine, couldn't handle load.

I believe so. I imagine there is a way to re-flash the ECM to kill the MDS
system. In a couple years the performance chips will probably be available
to do this.

"Mike Romain" > wrote in message
...
> So he has the Hemi with the MDS system in it like they put in the Jeep?
>
> If so then the article I read must have been out of date. It said the
> MDS wasn't used in the pickups because of load and reaction time
> issues.
>
> It would be interesting to know what he modified for the gain and if it
> was a top or bottom end gain. Maybe there is a way to shut the sucker
> down and stay in V8 mode?
>
> I come from the muscle car days too and something like that really
> messes with the 'Hemi' idea. Wayyyy too many parts and crap. Sounds
> like there isn't even a gas pedal cable or linkage. All electronic. No
> more shoe lace trail fixes. LOL!
>
> Man, next they will be using microsoft in the ECU.
>
> Mike
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Not when he punches it. He does work for DC and he told me he had the
ECM
> > re-flashed to gain about 50hp...
> >
> > "Mike Romain" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > You snipped that wrong.
> > >
> > > It's not the hemi that is the trouble, it's the ignition that makes it
> > > run on only 4 cylinders. Hence my reference to the failed GM 8, 6, 4
> > > engine.
> > >
> > > Ask you buddy if his hemi runs on 4 cylinders or not.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ??? You might want to ask my friend with a Ram with the hemi which
> > engine he
> > > > has...
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > One article somewhere said they couldn't use it on the pickup
because
> > > > > it, the engine, couldn't handle load.

If it doesn't kill Cherokee, like it did Cadillac twenty five years
ago.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> I believe so. I imagine there is a way to re-flash the ECM to kill the MDS
> system. In a couple years the performance chips will probably be available
> to do this.