Oil prices got you down?

Yup, exactly. His suggestion isn't any different than the "Gas Out"
chain e-mail that circulates from time to time, urging people to not buy
gas next week and Then We'll Teach `Em A Lesson They Won't Forget and
Bring the *******s To Their Knees, Woo Hoo.

So everyone doesn't buy gas next week, then everyone buys _twice_ as
much the next week. Oh, yeah, _that'll_ teach `em. Woo. Hoo.

The fact is that America is built for the automobile. Few people
outside of a few habitable metropolitian areas live within walking
distance of a food store, fewer still live within walking distance to
their jobs. The few commuter rail systems that still exist serve only a
few areas and are under constant pressure to reduce their budgets and to
turn a profit -- which they will never be able to do. Middle class
people won't take busses, and even if they did they don't have enough
routes to serve but a tiny fraction of employers while their employees
live 20, 50 or 100 miles away. Freight and parcels must be there
tomorrow under the "just in time" system that most American companies
work under, so all but bulk raw material travels directly from source to
user by truck.

The result is that we are locked into using cars, you can't live the
current lifestyle of the majority without one. Conservation efforts
such as hybrids won't really help in the short term because any drop in
consumption will be off-set by growth in consumption. Higher prices
won't reduce fuel consumption much except as a side effect of a
depressed economy, as disposable income is diverted away from consumer
goods and towards fuel costs.

Do I have an answer? Nope. There's only so much fry oil to divert to
"bio-diesel" and until someone comes up with a way to manufacture
hydrogen or ethanol that doesn't take _more_ energy to produce than the
fuel's eventual yield neither one is a viable solution. And I still
drive my CJ and my Cherokee.

Or, as someone on NPR recently opined: "We're gonna run out of
atmosphere before we run out of fossil fuels."


Earle Horton wrote:
> This is just the result of faulty reasoning, but people "topping off" fuel
> tanks during the fuel shortages of the 70s and 80s did cause long lines at
> the pump. That turned out to be more of a problem, than the actual
> shortages would indicate. I think that people eventually figured out, that
> there is no way, that you can store enough fuel in your car, in the case of
> a real shortage. Now, you can fill your tank most places any time you want,
> thanks to credit card readers on the pump. Lots of people with obsessive
> compulsive disorder drive around with a full tank all the time, and they
> don't hurt anyone. (My friend's dog has OCD, and he is doing fine on
> Xanax.)
>
> I remember people putting $0.75 worth of gas into their Cadillacs, just to
> make sure that they would never run out. Then Virginia passed a law making
> this illegal, but people did it anyway. Finally, it was odd/even days of
> the month and your license plate number. If you had a job, that required
> you to use more than half a tank a day, you had to be pretty clever. DMV
> employees got pretty cagey, when asked for odd-numbered or even-numbered
> license plates. It was all very surreal, but people do funny things, when
> there is a crisis.
>
> Earle
>
> "Lee Ayrton" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Please explain: If I'm burning 20 gal/week, how does buying 20 gallons
>>once a week instead of 5 gallons a day reduce demand.
>>
>>
>>
>>tim bur wrote:
>>
>>>lets try not to run to the pump every day to top off the tank thus
>
> reducing a higher
>
>>>demand , lets slow down and reenact the 55 mph law federally, slow down
>
> and keep our
>
>>>vehicles fix when the check engine lite is on. start using concrete and
>
> cut down ashphalt
>
>>>that takes all kind of oil/tar to make and just watch how much oil comes
>
> down after 3
>
>>>months of of causing a glut in the market
>>> gas does not have the shelf life it used to so they do not want to
>
> stockpile it
>
>>>Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>From another thread that was veering off-topic...
>>>
>>>>Besides untreated water, name another liquid you can get for
>
> $1.50/gallon.
>
>>>>Bill had mentioned California diesel prices hitting $3.00/gallon in
>
> another
>
>>>>thread.
>>
>>>http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...ory?coll=la-ho
>
> me-business
>
>>>>At first I thought waaa waa waa, it's still cheaper than most countries
>
> on
>
>>>>the planet.... until I did the math! Tonight I paid $.82/L Canadian for
>>>>diesel, after conversion to gallons and into US Funds, I paid
>
> $2.54/gallon
>
>>>>US... hehehe. Unfortunately, regular unleaded in Canada is still
>>>>$2.86/gallon US, almost $.30 higher than California.
>>>>
>>>>It's important for us Canadians and Americans not to whine too much for
>
> our
>
>>>>overseas friends are paying at least twice as much for "petrol".
>>>>
>>>>Let's keep things in perspective
>>>>In fact, at today's price of $63/barrel (petroleum barrels are 42
>>>>gallons)...
>>>>
>>>>A cool refreshing cup of crude oil would cost you about 10 cents unlike
>
> the
>
>>>>thieving pimply faced little girl down the street selling lemonade for
>
> 25
>
>>>>cents a cup.
>>>>
>>>>Slide by your local pub for pint after a hard days work? You'd jump at a
>>>>chance to get your suds for the price of a pint of crude at 19 cents.
>>>>
>>>>If only we could get a 255 ml can of pop for the price of crude... about
>
> 9
>
>>>>cents.
>>>
>>>
>
>

You're talking about measuring mouse farts in a hurricane.

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:39:15 UTC "Billy Ray" >
wrote:

> Well...... Your demand will be lower because you will be dragging less fuel
> around on an average daily basis.
> Day 1 you save 25.4 pounds
> Day 2 you save 50.8 pounds
> Day 3 you save 76.2 pounds
> Day 4 you save 101.6 pounds
> Day 5 you save 127.0 pounds
>
> . An extra 100 pounds in your vehicle could reduce your MPG by up to 2%. The
> reduction is based on the percentage of extra weight relative to the
> vehicle's weight and affects smaller vehicles more than larger ones.
>
> If you gas up daily to the minimum fuel needed you will increase your
> mileage.
>
> Some of the suggestions below apply to our Jeeps used on the road. Prudency
> dictates we bring extra fuel and supplies when off-road but do you really
> need to carry 2 axle shafts, a transfer case, 2 full jerry cans of fuel and
> another of water and a complete set of tools back and forth to work and the
> grocery store?
>
> Other savings:
>
> Drive Sensibly
>
> Aggressive driving (speeding, rapid acceleration and braking) wastes gas. It
> can lower your gas mileage by 33 percent at highway speeds and by 5 percent
> around town. Sensible driving is also safer for you and others, so you may
> save more than gas money.
>
> Fuel Economy Benefit: 5-33%
> Equivalent Gasoline Savings: $0.11-$0.73/gallon
>
>
> Observe the Speed Limit
>
> Gas mileage decreases rapidly at speeds above 60 mph.
>
> Each 5 mph you drive over 60 mph is like paying an additional $0.15
> per gallon for gas.
>
> Observing the speed limit is also safer.
>
> Fuel Economy Benefit: 7-23%
> Equivalent Gasoline Savings: $0.15-$0.51/gallon
>
> Remove Excess Weight
>
> Avoid keeping unnecessary items in your vehicle, especially heavy ones. An
> extra 100 pounds in your vehicle could reduce your MPG by up to 2%. The
> reduction is based on the percentage of extra weight relative to the
> vehicle's weight and affects smaller vehicles more than larger ones.
>
> Fuel Economy Benefit: 1-2%/100 lbs
> Equivalent Gasoline Savings: $0.02-$0.04/gallon
>
> Avoid Excessive Idling
>
> Idling gets 0 miles per gallon. Cars with larger engines typically waste
> more gas at idle than do cars with smaller engines.
>
>
> Use Cruise Control
>
> Using cruise control on the highway helps you maintain a constant speed and,
> in most cases, will save gas.
>
>
>
> Use Overdrive Gears
>
> When you use overdrive gearing, your car's engine speed goes down. This
> saves gas and reduces engine wear.
>
>
>
> Note: Cost savings are based on an assumed fuel price of $2.20/gallon. (and
> a weight of 6.35 pounds/gallon)
>
> http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/driveHabits.shtml
>
> http://www.faqs.org/qa/qa-21281.html
>
>
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--
Will Honea

Hi Lee,
There is an answer, kick the bleeding heart liberal, tree huggers
out of government, let our oil companies build new refineries, cross
drill into our lower states national reserves, open up Arctic National
Wildlife Refuge, it has the largest estimated oil reserves in the world,
and we'll have petroleum produces to cheap to meter, again.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> Yup, exactly. His suggestion isn't any different than the "Gas Out"
> chain e-mail that circulates from time to time, urging people to not buy
> gas next week and Then We'll Teach `Em A Lesson They Won't Forget and
> Bring the *******s To Their Knees, Woo Hoo.
>
> So everyone doesn't buy gas next week, then everyone buys _twice_ as
> much the next week. Oh, yeah, _that'll_ teach `em. Woo. Hoo.
>
> The fact is that America is built for the automobile. Few people
> outside of a few habitable metropolitian areas live within walking
> distance of a food store, fewer still live within walking distance to
> their jobs. The few commuter rail systems that still exist serve only a
> few areas and are under constant pressure to reduce their budgets and to
> turn a profit -- which they will never be able to do. Middle class
> people won't take busses, and even if they did they don't have enough
> routes to serve but a tiny fraction of employers while their employees
> live 20, 50 or 100 miles away. Freight and parcels must be there
> tomorrow under the "just in time" system that most American companies
> work under, so all but bulk raw material travels directly from source to
> user by truck.
>
> The result is that we are locked into using cars, you can't live the
> current lifestyle of the majority without one. Conservation efforts
> such as hybrids won't really help in the short term because any drop in
> consumption will be off-set by growth in consumption. Higher prices
> won't reduce fuel consumption much except as a side effect of a
> depressed economy, as disposable income is diverted away from consumer
> goods and towards fuel costs.
>
> Do I have an answer? Nope. There's only so much fry oil to divert to
> "bio-diesel" and until someone comes up with a way to manufacture
> hydrogen or ethanol that doesn't take _more_ energy to produce than the
> fuel's eventual yield neither one is a viable solution. And I still
> drive my CJ and my Cherokee.
>
> Or, as someone on NPR recently opined: "We're gonna run out of
> atmosphere before we run out of fossil fuels."

Amen!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

ambrin wrote:
>
> We don't have an oil, or gas shortage. We have a critical shortage of
> refineries. Thank the EPA for that...

You would think that having a Texas oilman in the whitehouse would be a good
start. At least he helped to undo some of the crazy wilderness land that
Clinton stuck is with that prevented us to have access to some old jeep
roads.

"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Lee,
> There is an answer, kick the bleeding heart liberal, tree huggers
> out of government, let our oil companies build new refineries, cross
> drill into our lower states national reserves, open up Arctic National
> Wildlife Refuge, it has the largest estimated oil reserves in the world,
> and we'll have petroleum produces to cheap to meter, again.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>
>> Yup, exactly. His suggestion isn't any different than the "Gas Out"
>> chain e-mail that circulates from time to time, urging people to not buy
>> gas next week and Then We'll Teach `Em A Lesson They Won't Forget and
>> Bring the *******s To Their Knees, Woo Hoo.
>>
>> So everyone doesn't buy gas next week, then everyone buys _twice_ as
>> much the next week. Oh, yeah, _that'll_ teach `em. Woo. Hoo.
>>
>> The fact is that America is built for the automobile. Few people
>> outside of a few habitable metropolitian areas live within walking
>> distance of a food store, fewer still live within walking distance to
>> their jobs. The few commuter rail systems that still exist serve only a
>> few areas and are under constant pressure to reduce their budgets and to
>> turn a profit -- which they will never be able to do. Middle class
>> people won't take busses, and even if they did they don't have enough
>> routes to serve but a tiny fraction of employers while their employees
>> live 20, 50 or 100 miles away. Freight and parcels must be there
>> tomorrow under the "just in time" system that most American companies
>> work under, so all but bulk raw material travels directly from source to
>> user by truck.
>>
>> The result is that we are locked into using cars, you can't live the
>> current lifestyle of the majority without one. Conservation efforts
>> such as hybrids won't really help in the short term because any drop in
>> consumption will be off-set by growth in consumption. Higher prices
>> won't reduce fuel consumption much except as a side effect of a
>> depressed economy, as disposable income is diverted away from consumer
>> goods and towards fuel costs.
>>
>> Do I have an answer? Nope. There's only so much fry oil to divert to
>> "bio-diesel" and until someone comes up with a way to manufacture
>> hydrogen or ethanol that doesn't take _more_ energy to produce than the
>> fuel's eventual yield neither one is a viable solution. And I still
>> drive my CJ and my Cherokee.
>>
>> Or, as someone on NPR recently opined: "We're gonna run out of
>> atmosphere before we run out of fossil fuels."

You know sixty bucks a barrel, really isn't bad for American,
there's millions of wells already in place that have not been cost
efficient until now that'll come to life feeding Americans, stead of
Arabs.
And if our traitors would stop buying foreign products, nations
like China, Japan and Europe wouldn't need to bid against us at the well
head. They'd have to pay us to take, like before the Arabs nationalized
Chevron, Richfield, Texaco and Shell wells.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> In-line responses.
>
> DougW wrote:
>
> > We also need some price controls on gasoline. Just wait till the oil companies
> > report profits this year. Prices now are simply pure greed.
>
> "Futures market." Absent a shortage, fuel prices are now being driven
> by speculation in the futures markets and now that they've learned that
> they can get more than $60/bbl it ain't never gonna come back down.
>
> >
> > As for me, I'm just rolling things into single trips. No more just driving
> > to a place to window shop. That and taking my lunch to work rather than going
> > out for lunch. Heck, eating lunch alone costs $7-$10 depending on where you
> > go around here.
> >
>
> Good idea, but that does have a ripple effect in the economy. Your
> bagged lunch will show up as a loss in the local restaurant district,
> which means some hash-slinger won't buy a new car this year, which means
> the dealer doesn't buy a new house, the builder doesn't by a new TV, the
> vendor doesn't sent his kid to Swanky U and on and on.

Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
> From another thread that was veering off-topic...
>
> Besides untreated water, name another liquid you can get for $1.50/gallon.
> Bill had mentioned California diesel prices hitting $3.00/gallon in another
> thread.
> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...-home-business
>
> At first I thought waaa waa waa, it's still cheaper than most countries on
> the planet.... until I did the math! Tonight I paid $.82/L Canadian for
> diesel, after conversion to gallons and into US Funds, I paid $2.54/gallon
> US... hehehe. Unfortunately, regular unleaded in Canada is still
> $2.86/gallon US, almost $.30 higher than California.
>
> It's important for us Canadians and Americans not to whine too much for our
> overseas friends are paying at least twice as much for "petrol".
>
> Let's keep things in perspective
> In fact, at today's price of $63/barrel (petroleum barrels are 42
> gallons)...
>
> A cool refreshing cup of crude oil would cost you about 10 cents unlike the
> thieving pimply faced little girl down the street selling lemonade for 25
> cents a cup.
>
> Slide by your local pub for pint after a hard days work? You'd jump at a
> chance to get your suds for the price of a pint of crude at 19 cents.
>
> If only we could get a 255 ml can of pop for the price of crude... about 9
> cents.
>
>
As long as the production cost for crude in Alberta is $32 a barrel I'll
keep whining! At $65 a barrel thats over %100 profit. It's criminal if
you ask me.

Poe, Whining lauder and lauder every day

They said cheer up, thinks could be worse, so I cheered up and sure
enough things got worse.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Poe wrote:
>
> As long as the production cost for crude in Alberta is $32 a barrel I'll
> keep whining! At $65 a barrel thats over %100 profit. It's criminal if
> you ask me.
>
> Poe, Whining lauder and lauder every day

Pure unadulterated crap!

What is your solution, bleeding heart liberal?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

larry wrote:
>
> Pure unadulterated crap!