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Follow up...Oil changes, Toyotas, and GM problems
In a recent post, I voiced my discontent with the way GM had handled the
plenum failure problem in general, and mentioned it might be time to look at a Toyota. Someone (pardon for not remembering whom) posted that Toyota had also had problems with sludging engines, leading to failure in some instances. Drove the Toyota today. Wonderfully quiet, smooth, and responsive. Was really impressed. So I asked about the sludging problem while at the dealership. They confirmed it had happened and gave the reason that many people tried to run too long between oil changes. They said that the manual clearly called for oil and filter changes near the 3000 mile interval, but a lot of people tried to push oils to 7500 and more. And it just didnt work. This post covers several items, and comments are welcome. |
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"John S." > wrote in message oups.com... > Like you and the car dealer I believe the purported sludging problem is > tied entirely to lousy maintenance practices by a handfull of Toyota > car owners. You can't run an engine to 10,000 miles between oil > changes without damaging the engine and causing a sludging problem. My > son's Camry has 210,000 miles with no evidence of sludging, but it gets > an oil change every 3,000 miles. > > As the saying goes, Pay Me Now or Pay Me Later, but You Will Pay Totally agree. This has been my philosophy for a long time, and I am reinforced in it. When I can run cars for 100,000 to 200,000 miles with no oil burning and no engine problems (as I have for as long as I have used this maintenance schedule), I need not defend my choices further. |
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We've been around and around over this in the ole' Toyota forum. I've
de-sludged a few hundred of those darn 6 cylinders since they started showing up a few years back, and not ONE had documentation of a reasonable service history. They were all either spotty (10k intervals or more or so), or absent of any records at all. There are a buch of wierdos out there who like to blame Toyota, but whatever. Maintain the machines you depend on every day, you know? Toyota's decent though, for the money. If you like it, but it and head on over to alt.toyota |
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> Toyota isn't perfect, unlike what they'd love for you to believe. They > laid an egg, and blaming it all on "poor maintenance" just puts more egg > on their own faces. Steve, With no disrespect intended, if they tell you to change the oil at roughly 3000 mile intervals, and you dont do it, who is at fault? Now, I cant prove that this was the case, but IF you are given the clear instructions, and cant comply, it darn sure isnt Toyota's fault. If you find a manufacturer that will approve 20,000 mile oil changes, fine. If I were the manufacturer, I wouldnt |
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Toyota reduced it too much, and any mechanic can tell you that > this can greatly increase the build-up of sludge. Perhaps you are right, and perhaps not. IF the manual instructed you to change the oil at 3000 mile intervals (and I cannot confirm this) and you chose not to do it, then the onus is upon you. There are lots of engineering foibles in every branch of modern technology. If you choose to ignore the requirements, then you have no one to blame but yourself. IF you follow the factory specifications and there is a class of repetitive failures, then the courts may have to be the eventual referees. |
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Some research on the Toyota sludging problem suggests that the crankcase
vent system too restrictive and was compromised by extending oil change intervals under hard driving conditions, the vent system became restricted allowing vapors to be trapped in the crankcase causing more rapid formation of oil contamination. > wrote in message om... > In a recent post, I voiced my discontent with the way GM had handled the > plenum > failure problem in general, and mentioned it might be time to look at a > Toyota. > > Someone (pardon for not remembering whom) posted that Toyota had also had > problems with sludging engines, leading to failure in some instances. > > Drove the Toyota today. Wonderfully quiet, smooth, and responsive. Was > really > impressed. > > So I asked about the sludging problem while at the dealership. They > confirmed it > had happened and gave the reason that many people tried to run too long > between > oil changes. They said that the manual clearly called for oil and filter > changes near > the 3000 mile interval, but a lot of people tried to push oils to 7500 and > more. And it > just didnt work. > > This post covers several items, and comments are welcome. > > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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