Detroit Vs Japan

Mike Romain wrote:

> Gents, this group does have a formal Charter, how about dropping all the
> bull**** and get back to posting about Jeeps?

Jeep = American icon truck/suv/automobile, American made and assembled in
Toledo, OH.

Auto dealership mechanics = automobile/truck <- related to Jeeps

UAW = automobile employees producing US build vehicles for DaimlerChrysler,
Ford, and GM <- Jeep related.

Defense of American built vehicles and the American way of life is Jeep
related.

Your charter only outlines that:

-4 wheel drive vehicles made by
other manufacturers
-commercial posts

should not be discussed in this newsgroup. Read you own charter! The only
mention of vehicles mad by other manufacturers by me have been negative. I
defend the American automobile/truck industry and particularly my beloved
Jeep brand.

The list of things that _could_ be discussed a

-Jeep/Willys history
-repairs and modifications
-parts exchange
-technical information
-4x4 driving experiences
-vehicle restoration
-new vehicle evaluations

It doesn't say anything about other things, particularly if they're loosely
related to Jeeps and the automobile/truck industry not being able to be
discussed. The charter was a call for the creation of the newsgroup, and
not a ruleset for moderation. This is an unmoderated newsgroup.


--

Registered Linux user #378193

Possibly the reason Penn & Teller do not have a female helper:
"Put to death any woman who practices magic."

Dave Milne proclaimed:

> Please post EXACTLY what Exodus 22:18 says in your bible.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> There no witches in my Bible.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/
>>
>>Stephen Cowell wrote:
>>
>>>It's in your Bible, Bill!
>>>__
>>>Steve
>>>.
>
>
>

I suspect you'll discover that most folks aren't aware that a good
smallblock could also easily hold in excess of 7,000 rpm all day.

Never lost a cam on a Datsun 2 liter, but changing the head gasket every
other oil change or so got tiring after a while. The cam survived
speeds well over 7000 rpm regularly, so did the bottom end which tended
to use good old american 302 Z28 connecting rods.



L.W.(ßill) Hughes III proclaimed:

> I don't know what kind of school you went to, but finding the
> Japanese camshaft failures to be thirteen times greater than American
> cars, tells me GM doesn't have a problem, your distorted mind thinks.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
>>Bill, you said I couldn't give an example. Citing another
>>example doesn't take away my example. I win!
>>__
>>Steve
>>.

proclaimed:

> Mostly, they were just geeky and unpopular. Usually they ran a long
> time, but little things like interior and trim would give trouble,
> being-like Mopar's-inferior to GM.
>
Yeah, I used to run a bored and stroked 427. Got my ass kicked by
those "inferior" Mopars quite frequently. The early Nash vehicles
were actually hotrods of the day, in particular the twin ignition
straight eights with overdrive. As were also the 6 banger Hudsons.
It wasn't until the mid-50's and the Ramblers that they went to the
cheap side...but with rambler seats to help with the post-war
population issue. And even then you had vehicles like the Nash-
Healey to add muscle to the better-handling but underpowered
Brit cars. The AMC 343/390 were quite competitive with body
quality not really any worse than their Mopar rivals, but at
least the AMC models still had ceramic coated exhaust systems.
And were virtually unbreakable.

Ok, have fun, I will ignore you from now on.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Gents, this group does have a formal Charter, how about dropping all the
> > bull**** and get back to posting about Jeeps?
>
> Jeep = American icon truck/suv/automobile, American made and assembled in
> Toledo, OH.
>
> Auto dealership mechanics = automobile/truck <- related to Jeeps
>
> UAW = automobile employees producing US build vehicles for DaimlerChrysler,
> Ford, and GM <- Jeep related.
>
> Defense of American built vehicles and the American way of life is Jeep
> related.
>
> Your charter only outlines that:
>
> -4 wheel drive vehicles made by
> other manufacturers
> -commercial posts
>
> should not be discussed in this newsgroup. Read you own charter! The only
> mention of vehicles mad by other manufacturers by me have been negative. I
> defend the American automobile/truck industry and particularly my beloved
> Jeep brand.
>
> The list of things that _could_ be discussed a
>
> -Jeep/Willys history
> -repairs and modifications
> -parts exchange
> -technical information
> -4x4 driving experiences
> -vehicle restoration
> -new vehicle evaluations
>
> It doesn't say anything about other things, particularly if they're loosely
> related to Jeeps and the automobile/truck industry not being able to be
> discussed. The charter was a call for the creation of the newsgroup, and
> not a ruleset for moderation. This is an unmoderated newsgroup.
>
> --
>
> Registered Linux user #378193

"Ruel Smith" > wrote in message
...
> There are unlicensed plumbers working out there? Do the local inspectors'
> offices know about this? That wouldn't be legal at all. Even apprentices
> are licensed.

i suppose things work differently in different geographical areas. i work
in refrigeration (service and construction) and know many plumblers. the
licensed plumber is sitting behind a desk. the unlicensed plumbers are out
in the field working under his license, and theyre damn lucky if theyre
pulling in $15 an hour.


> You obviously don't understand how a trade union works, either. It's not
> like shop unions.

fair enough. i had a union shop solicit me for employment recently offering
$26 an hour and the look on his face suggested that he thought that was a
tremendous offer. when i told them im already earning more than that, and i
dont have to subtract union dues from it plus im getting benefits, paid
vacation (which officially starts tomorrow :-), etc. his expression changed.
i went on further to discuss how i was able to stand upon my own work ethic
and abilities and didnt need the protection of a union to keep working, and
he excused himself from my table.


you mentioned that you were considering IT and as i excuse myself from this
conversation before mike hurts himself ill add this. if youre already a
licensed plumber i would stay put (unless you dont like what youre doing).
as the industry is becoming flooded with wanna-be administrators the real
money will be reserved for only the best of the best. in fact, as more and
more people rush into IT the demand in the service industry will only grow
stronger. hvac/r, plumbing, electricians, controls, etc. will be in very
high demand in the future. i myself am preparing to launch my own
refrigeration business and it looks like im going to have to pay moving
expenses and offer incentives just to find qualified help.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

"Mike Romain" > wrote in message
...
> Ruel Smith wrote:
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > This group does have a formal Charter.  If you don't like itÂ
don't
> > > read/post here, simple enough eh.  Otherwise the BS will takeÂ
over the
> > > group.
> > >
> > >
> >
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+willys
> >
> > Did you promote yourself to newsgroup police, or something?
> >
> > --
>
> Just a regular poster who tries along with a few others to keep this one
> group on topic so the political and off topic and commercial SPAM
> assholes don't up and take it over.
>
> It hasn't been a loosing battle over the years, but there are always a
> few jerks.

Mike's entirely right... there's nobody else to police this NG, so
the members have to do it. I come here from alt.* land... sometimes
I forget my manners, especially when Bill thinks he owns the place.
I'll make a valiant attempt to limit my OT posts... apologies all 'round.
__
Steve
'00XJ and lovin' it
..

Dave,
It refers to a sorceress: http://www.billhughes.com/sorceress.jpg
Which is not a witch:
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...=witch&x=9&y=8
Unless you can call my '78 Bronco a Jeep, if so.. You need help.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O


Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Please post EXACTLY what Exodus 22:18 says in your bible.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
> ...
> > There no witches in my Bible.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > http://www.billhughes.com/
> >
> > Stephen Cowell wrote:
> > >
> > > It's in your Bible, Bill!
> > > __
> > > Steve
> > > .

"L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> Dave,
> It refers to a sorceress: http://www.billhughes.com/sorceress.jpg
> Which is not a witch:
> http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...=witch&x=9&y=8

Perhaps if you read the link, you'd have seen:
<>
Main Entry: 1 witch
Pronunciation: 'wich
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English wicche,
....
1 : one that is credited with usually malignant supernatural powers;
especially : a woman practicing usually black witchcraft often with
the aid of a devil or familiar : SORCERESS -- compare WARLOCK
</>

The word 'SORCERESS' means that they are synonyms....
__
Steve
..

"often with the aid of a devil or familiar : SORCERESS"
Like the synonym for Bronco is Jeep?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> Perhaps if you read the link, you'd have seen:
> <>
> Main Entry: 1 witch
> Pronunciation: 'wich
> Function: noun
> Etymology: Middle English wicche,
> ...
> 1 : one that is credited with usually malignant supernatural powers;
> especially : a woman practicing usually black witchcraft often with
> the aid of a devil or familiar : SORCERESS -- compare WARLOCK
> </>
>
> The word 'SORCERESS' means that they are synonyms....
> __
> Steve
> .