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Old February 20th 06, 04:34 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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Hiya...

I've seen the pics of the concept Camaro. A lot of people think it is ugly.
Other then the nose of the car, I like it :-) When I was in high school,
(I'm 39 now), I was a Chevy fan. My favorite cars are 1960's-1970's Chevy
muscle cars like the 69 SS Chevelle :-) My first car when I was 17 was a
1976 Chevy Monza with a V8 and a 4 speed. I had a few mods like an aluminum
intake and a nice Holey 4bbl that was perfectly chosen for the small V8, a
set of headers and a special exhaust system for V8 H-Bodies. I also had a
nice set of American Racing rims with the dreaded but affordable BF Goodrich
raised white letter TA's. Not a world beater, but for me, I absolutely loved
it. I had the car for years but the typical H-Body flaws caught up with it.
The doors were about to fall off the hinges and due to the design of the
uni-body being made for a four cylinder, the frame sagged and the engine
settled so low the cross member began rubbing a hole in the oil pan. The car
had gone 11 years and could go no more. I couldn't afford a brand new car
at the time as I was in college, so I purchased a used 1976 Olds Cutlass. It
was in good shape and I paid little for it. It did it's job, but I never
would have chosen to buy it... It was there and it was affordable. I drove
it until late in 1989 when I could afford a brand new car. I had no idea of
what I wanted, but I was sill in my 20's and I wanted a sporty car. A
friend of mine suggested a Mustang. I was always a GM/Chevy guy, so I
wasn't receptive to the idea. I went to test drive one for fun though. The
first time I drove the LX 5.0 I absolutely LOVED IT. It was peppy,
comfortable and I really liked how the LX looked. It wasn't over the top.
For the first time since my 1976 V8 Monza, I was excited about a car. Best
of all was the Price. Fully loaded, it was 14k. I also drove the 1990
Camaro. Although it could handle better, I didn't like it as much as the
Pony. Not to mention, the top of the line Camaro cost considerably more
money then the 5.0 LX. I thought.. Wow... A better car for less money....
And... I purchased one. I had it until 2001 when I traded it in, still
running perfectly for a new 2001 GT. I'd have never guessed that I'd still
have a Mustang at 39 y/o, but I cant bring myself not to have one :-)

At any rate... I was a Chevy fan, knew from nothing about Mustangs, but I
wound up buying one over a Chevy Camaro because it was a great car for an
even greater price. I don't think the Chevy marketing people really kept in
mind who the major market was for pony cars and what the pony car market was
all about. A good solid, practical, not over the top sporty car that is
good value and... AFFORDABLE.

I bet if they bring the Camaro back, the base model V8 will be priced so
only a hand full of people who would want it could also afford it. The
people from age 65 to 35 who are established and want to relive old glory.
If they want to sell Camaros they need to think about how to make a car that
would be liked and bought by people who are just getting ready to begin
their glory days. I don't think the younger crowd prefers decorated 4
cylinders with oversized spoilers and laughable exhausts, but what choice do
they have ???

Michael


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Old February 20th 06, 07:48 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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"Michael" > wrote in message
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> Hiya...
>
> I've seen the pics of the concept Camaro. A lot of people think it is
> ugly. Other then the nose of the car, I like it :-) When I was in high
> school, (I'm 39 now), I was a Chevy fan.


I was 39 when I bought my '93 LX 5.0, and people said that it was my midlife
crisis (at 39!). The fact that it was my 4th Mustang and that I'd driven
Mustangs almost all of my adult life had nothing to do with it, I guess.

In 1993, I tried a Camaro on for size, and went straight back to the
Mustang. Didn't care for the low seating position in the Chevy - it just
wasn't me.

If Chevy builds that ugly prototype, they'll sell pretty well in the first
year or so. Anything under $35K would be a good ballpark for a V8 Camaro.

But V8 Camaros, Mustangs, Challengers, whatever were always a bit of a
stretch for the working stiffs like you and me. Where your 5.0 was $14K,
mine was almost $17K. Thirteen years later, you can buy a Mustang GT for
somewhere around $26K, which is just about the same, adjusted for inflation.

dwight
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Old February 21st 06, 03:33 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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>But V8 Camaros, Mustangs, Challengers, whatever were always a bit of a
>stretch for the working stiffs like you and me. Where your 5.0 was $14K,
>mine was almost $17K. Thirteen years later, you can buy a Mustang GT for
>somewhere around $26K, which is just about the same, adjusted for inflation.
>
>dwight
>www.tfrog93.com
>



I have been looking, don't know where the heck I saw it, but there's a
website that adjusts prices for inflation. Point being, when surfing
that website, if I remember correctly, a 1966 Mustang GT in "today's
dollars" would cost a little more than $30,000. That seems a
"terrible price" for a 66 pony, but when you look at the reliability
of today's cars, the longivity of the tires, etc, today's $27,000 GT
is a "steal" compared to the original mustangs. Now, if only I had
one of each <VEG> Hmmmm


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Old February 21st 06, 04:35 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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They've got no fallback. The original Camaros didn't look
as good as the Barracudas or Challengers and not nearly as interesting
as the Mustangs. They had no choice but to
do a modern (sort of) look. IMO, they should look for inspiration from
their early 1970s (1973 or later) models.

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Old February 21st 06, 01:39 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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> wrote in message
ups.com...
> They've got no fallback. The original Camaros didn't look
> as good as the Barracudas or Challengers and not nearly as interesting
> as the Mustangs. They had no choice but to
> do a modern (sort of) look. IMO, they should look for inspiration from
> their early 1970s (1973 or later) models.


Actually they did have a more aggressive look to them and I was happy to see
the Stang follow up in '69-70 with something more agressive stance as well.
If I were Chevy make the car low frills affordable, mimick the '67 and then
some 5 years later mimick the '70's style. I would love to see the Mustang
do something similar and eventually make ammends for the '74-78.

Nick


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Old February 21st 06, 03:34 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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"Nicholas Anthony" > wrote:

>
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> They've got no fallback. The original Camaros didn't look
>> as good as the Barracudas or Challengers and not nearly as
>> interesting as the Mustangs. They had no choice but to
>> do a modern (sort of) look. IMO, they should look for inspiration
>> from their early 1970s (1973 or later) models.

>
> Actually they did have a more aggressive look to them and I was happy
> to see the Stang follow up in '69-70 with something more agressive
> stance as well. If I were Chevy make the car low frills affordable,
> mimick the '67 and then some 5 years later mimick the '70's style. I
> would love to see the Mustang do something similar and eventually make
> ammends for the '74-78.


Sorry.. I dont agree on that... didnt then, dont now.
A Muscle Car is one thing, a hot pony car, another... the 72-73 "Mach's"
were muscle cars!
Bet you liked the Daytona Aero's and Superbee's too. THEY DIDNT SELL!

Those of us with TASTE loathed the bloated Mach styles. Over weight
behemoths.. and the ONLY reasons the Mustang II's are an abomination, is
the combination of market reading for economy, Over Smogging for effect,
and the curious styling blend of lead-sled and pony. Not to
mention..LANDAU ROOF! Gag!

To prove my point... take a side view shot of a M II "Cobra{jr}" and
have someone photoshop radiused wheel wells on it!

Freakin' WHOLE different perspective! If you hadnt already had a 'bad
taste' in your mouth you might think it was pretty cool!

But then the 68 - 81 Vettes leave me cold, too.
--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer..DEAL with it!
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Old February 21st 06, 07:21 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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Backyard Mechanic > wrote in
:

> "Nicholas Anthony" > wrote:
>
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>>> They've got no fallback. The original Camaros didn't look
>>> as good as the Barracudas or Challengers and not nearly as
>>> interesting as the Mustangs. They had no choice but to
>>> do a modern (sort of) look. IMO, they should look for inspiration
>>> from their early 1970s (1973 or later) models.

>>
>> Actually they did have a more aggressive look to them and I was happy
>> to see the Stang follow up in '69-70 with something more agressive
>> stance as well. If I were Chevy make the car low frills affordable,
>> mimick the '67 and then some 5 years later mimick the '70's style. I
>> would love to see the Mustang do something similar and eventually

make
>> ammends for the '74-78.

>
> Sorry.. I dont agree on that... didnt then, dont now.
> A Muscle Car is one thing, a hot pony car, another... the 72-73

"Mach's"
> were muscle cars!


Arguably, muscle cars were pretty much choked out by 73 due to smog
laws. But all _four_ makers (yes, AM was in there as well) offered
decent muscle cars through the late '60s and up through '71 or so.

> Bet you liked the Daytona Aero's and Superbee's too. THEY DIDNT SELL!


IIRC, the Daytonas were made so they could be raced. Had to have a
production version out there..

> Those of us with TASTE loathed the bloated Mach styles. Over weight
> behemoths..


Gotta love that fastback with the baking-glass rear window.

> and the ONLY reasons the Mustang II's are an abomination, is
> the combination of market reading for economy, Over Smogging for

effect,
> and the curious styling blend of lead-sled and pony. Not to
> mention..LANDAU ROOF! Gag!


Ford should've developed a Pinto GT instead of bringing the Mustang II
to fruition.

> To prove my point... take a side view shot of a M II "Cobra{jr}" and
> have someone photoshop radiused wheel wells on it!


Actually, that would be the Pinto GT.

> Freakin' WHOLE different perspective! If you hadnt already had a 'bad
> taste' in your mouth you might think it was pretty cool!


With the landau roof too?

> But then the 68 - 81 Vettes leave me cold, too.


I liked the C3 'Vette because of its resemblance to the Mako Shark. But
the C4 left me cold by comparison. The C5 was awesome and the C6 is
beyond awesome.
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Old February 21st 06, 07:47 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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Well, I for one like it. I would buy it if I were in the market for such a
beast. I think that you are wrong if you believe that it will nto sell. It
will be like the new Mustang. It will be rolling out so fast that people
will be paying premiums over MSRP.

I find the grille agressive looking and with minor refinement or perhaps
even a better camera angle very attractive. It reminds me of my first car -
a 69 Camaro.

Much like the Mustang, the new look may take some time to catch on but if it
is at all as good as the LS1 Camaro was under the hood, they will have a
winner.

Kate


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Old February 21st 06, 09:52 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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KJ.Kate wrote:
> Well, I for one like it. I would buy it if I were in the market for such a
> beast. I think that you are wrong if you believe that it will nto sell. It
> will be like the new Mustang. It will be rolling out so fast that people
> will be paying premiums over MSRP.
>
> I find the grille agressive looking and with minor refinement or perhaps
> even a better camera angle very attractive. It reminds me of my first car -
> a 69 Camaro.
>
> Much like the Mustang, the new look may take some time to catch on but if it
> is at all as good as the LS1 Camaro was under the hood, they will have a
> winner.
>
> Kate
>
>

Yeah, but what do you know, you would probably buy a JEEP! Oh yeah, you
already DID!!
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Old February 21st 06, 10:50 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang
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*WEG*
That's right Gator boy, and don't you forget it!

KJK


"Blue Gator" > wrote in message
...
: KJ.Kate wrote:
: > Well, I for one like it. I would buy it if I were in the market for such
a
: > beast. I think that you are wrong if you believe that it will nto sell.
It
: > will be like the new Mustang. It will be rolling out so fast that people
: > will be paying premiums over MSRP.
: >
: > I find the grille agressive looking and with minor refinement or perhaps
: > even a better camera angle very attractive. It reminds me of my first
car -
: > a 69 Camaro.
: >
: > Much like the Mustang, the new look may take some time to catch on but
if it
: > is at all as good as the LS1 Camaro was under the hood, they will have a
: > winner.
: >
: > Kate
: >
: >
: Yeah, but what do you know, you would probably buy a JEEP! Oh yeah, you
: already DID!!


 




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