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Cost of repair Audi BMW Saab...(crossposting)
On Tue, 11 May 2004 15:14:15 +0200, Peter Bozz
> wrote: >The top selling cars in Holland in 2003 we > 2. Peugeot (52.412 exemplaren) > 3. Renault (47.159 nieuwe auto's) You mean someone outside of France buys those Frenchy cars? Wow. |
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dizzy wrote:
> On Tue, 11 May 2004 15:14:15 +0200, Peter Bozz > > wrote: > > >>The top selling cars in Holland in 2003 we > > >> 2. Peugeot (52.412 exemplaren) >> 3. Renault (47.159 nieuwe auto's) > > > You mean someone outside of France buys those Frenchy cars? Wow. > I know, it's shocking. I guess buyers are lured by the abundant "standard" gadgetry the French are so fond of, the pseudo-futuristic looks (you seen the new Megane?), and who knows, maybe they're fun to drive the 50,000 miles you can manage in them before you throw them away. |
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Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
> At least in Germany seeing lots of BMWs and Mercs is no illusion! They are > top sellers: > http://www.kfz-auskunft.de/kfz/pkw_n...ngen_2003.html > > In the Netherlands I seem to see Mercs on every corner... > > DAS A short drive around where I live revealed 8 Mercs. Now, it's no Beverly Hills, just a fairly affluent neighborhood of a big Dutch city (actually, I crossed over into the affluent neighborhood from the not-so-affluent part of town I live in). There were a couple of Saabs and a few of the ubiquitous V40/V70 Volvos. I counted 6 BMWs and at least one A6, two A4s, a Jaguar XJ and a Lexus LS400. Most of the Mercs were of course C series. I didn't count the CLK Cabrio my local drug dealer drives: he's hardly representative of the general population and might skew my empirical data. I guestimate that I must have seen about 500 cars. Most people here seem to have a, shall we say, predilection for spacious MPV type of cars, mostly uninspiring brands I coudn't even tell apart. Think Ford, Opel, Peugeot, Fiat, some Japanese and Korean brands, whatever. I wonder, what city was it that you say you saw Mercs on every corner? Peter |
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"eBob.com" > wrote in message v.net>...
> > I had a '95 A6(2.8)Q wagon > The timing belts have been somewhat expensive as I recall, but every > car needs that at rougly 60K. Not if they don't *have* them. Most BMWs don't. -- C.R. Krieger (Been there; drove that) |
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"Fred W." <Fred.Wills@allspam myrealbox.com> wrote in message >...
> > I personally would rather have a BMW with a nice set of low profile wheels > and Z rated summer tires and second set of wheels and winter snow tires. My > second set of wheels and tires would cost what, $600? vs. buying an AWD car > and being crippled in handling for 95% of the year? I can take my snow > tires off in the summer. Can you take off your AWD hardware? "crippled in handling"? Apparently, Fred hasn't experienced the difference between dry road AWD neutrality and BMW's famous trailing throttle oversteer ... -- C.R. Krieger (Been there; done that in the Kink) |
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"JP Roberts" > wrote in message >...
> > Your definition of handling superbly does not tally with the fact when I go > skiing I can often find BMW drivers stranded or looking for their chains. > I've driven RWD and can tell you again it's pretty close to useless in > really bad weather. While the BMWs you *don't* see are the 'Xi AWD cars that beat you there ... > > Z rated tires for any of these cars cost the same amount of money and are > > available at reasonable prices. Tires for BMWs are no more expensive. > > But you will need to replace the rear ones much more often, if you enjoy > spirited driving on winding roads, that is. We all know it is winding roads > that are good fun. And some of us know that twisty roads, autocrossing, and driving speed events on race tracks wears out the *front* tires a lot more than it does the rears - unless your idea of 'spirited driving' includes lots of burnouts. It's worst on FWDs. > At the end of your BMW life you will probably have spent more money on tyres > for your BMW than I will have on my Quattro gear. Actually, the end of *my* BMW life will have included driving Audi Quattros (including turbos) for 14 years, lots of fun FWDs *and* lots of RWD and a few AWD BMWs - not to mention our current Jaguar X-Type AWD (a 3.0 5-speed Sport, so you can forget trotting out your tired old 'but they're slow and have bad autoboxes' line). Of the lot, I found the Audis (at least all of them after the first 4000/90Q) to be the most boring. Even my Fiat 128 was more entertaining - when it ran. ;^) -- C.R. Krieger (Been there; done that) |
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"Dori A Schmetterling" > wrote in message >...
> Boys, boys, this has turned into a ****ing competition... OK; but who won? ;^) -- C.R. Krieger (Been there; done that) |
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"C.R. Krieger" > escribió en el mensaje om... > "JP Roberts" > wrote in message >... > > > > Your definition of handling superbly does not tally with the fact when I go > > skiing I can often find BMW drivers stranded or looking for their chains. > > I've driven RWD and can tell you again it's pretty close to useless in > > really bad weather. > > While the BMWs you *don't* see are the 'Xi AWD cars that beat you > there ... If it's really slippery, and given the same driver and tyres and similar engines, Quattro still beats your Xi. > > > Z rated tires for any of these cars cost the same amount of money and are > > > available at reasonable prices. Tires for BMWs are no more expensive. > > > > But you will need to replace the rear ones much more often, if you enjoy > > spirited driving on winding roads, that is. We all know it is winding roads > > that are good fun. > > And some of us know that twisty roads, autocrossing, and driving speed > events on race tracks wears out the *front* tires a lot more than it > does the rears - unless your idea of 'spirited driving' includes lots > of burnouts. It's worst on FWDs. > And some other ones of us know that if you go drifting on an M3, which is my point, and what really good drivers and real BMWs are best at, my argument still holds perfectly true. > > At the end of your BMW life you will probably have spent more money on tyres > > for your BMW than I will have on my Quattro gear. > > Actually, the end of *my* BMW life will have included driving Audi > Quattros (including turbos) for 14 years, lots of fun FWDs *and* lots > of RWD and a few AWD BMWs - not to mention our current Jaguar X-Type > AWD (a 3.0 5-speed Sport, so you can forget trotting out your tired > old 'but they're slow and have bad autoboxes' line). Of the lot, I > found the Audis (at least all of them after the first 4000/90Q) to be > the most boring. Even my Fiat 128 was more entertaining - when it > ran. ;^) Quite possibly true, but Audis may still probably be the safest of all of those. > C.R. Krieger > (Been there; done that) |
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"C.R. Krieger" > wrote in message om... > "Fred W." <Fred.Wills@allspam myrealbox.com> wrote in message >... > > > > I personally would rather have a BMW with a nice set of low profile wheels > > and Z rated summer tires and second set of wheels and winter snow tires. My > > second set of wheels and tires would cost what, $600? vs. buying an AWD car > > and being crippled in handling for 95% of the year? I can take my snow > > tires off in the summer. Can you take off your AWD hardware? > > "crippled in handling"? Apparently, Fred hasn't experienced the > difference between dry road AWD neutrality and BMW's famous trailing > throttle oversteer ... Hmmm, trailing throttle oversteer... just another tool in the driver's toolbox, no? What better way to get that back end around the corner in a hurry? ;-) -Fred W |
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"C.R. Krieger" > wrote in message om... > Of the lot, I > found the Audis (at least all of them after the first 4000/90Q) to be > the most boring. Even my Fiat 128 was more entertaining - when it > ran. ;^) Oh, oh. That sure looks like flame bait posted to an audi newsgroup to me... -Fred W |
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