Clutch bolts and locktite

Which is best for dropping the transmission?

Do you remove the crossmember, the bracket, or just the transmission mount?
* Crossmember http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6290082bracket03.jpg
* Bracket http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=4222146bracket02.jpg
* Mount http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6137530bracket01.jpg

Also, do you locktite the bolts when you re-install? (What color?)
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9054142locktite01.jpg

On 7/22/18 4:10 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> Which is best for dropping the transmission?
>
> Do you remove the crossmember, the bracket, or just the transmission mount?
> * Crossmember http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6290082bracket03.jpg
> * Bracket http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=4222146bracket02.jpg
> * Mount http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6137530bracket01.jpg
>
> Also, do you locktite the bolts when you re-install? (What color?)
> http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9054142locktite01.jpg
>
If you have to ask those questions, the job is above your pay grade...

--
The fastest way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Wade Garrett posted for all of us...


>
> On 7/22/18 4:10 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> > Which is best for dropping the transmission?
> >
> > Do you remove the crossmember, the bracket, or just the transmission mount?
> > * Crossmember http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6290082bracket03.jpg
> > * Bracket http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=4222146bracket02.jpg
> > * Mount http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6137530bracket01.jpg
> >
> > Also, do you locktite the bolts when you re-install? (What color?)
> > http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9054142locktite01.jpg
> >
> If you have to ask those questions, the job is above your pay grade...

I believe this guy is the valve stem thread, harbor freight bead breaker,
tire spec, brake lining spec Ultrec nym shifter. If he would just post under
one name then I and more people would help him. Since I posted this the
insults and diversions will now start.

--
Tekkie

On 7/23/18 2:40 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
> Wade Garrett posted for all of us...
>
>
>>
>> On 7/22/18 4:10 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
>>> Which is best for dropping the transmission?
>>>
>>> Do you remove the crossmember, the bracket, or just the transmission mount?
>>> * Crossmember http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6290082bracket03.jpg
>>> * Bracket http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=4222146bracket02.jpg
>>> * Mount http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6137530bracket01.jpg
>>>
>>> Also, do you locktite the bolts when you re-install? (What color?)
>>> http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9054142locktite01.jpg
>>>
>> If you have to ask those questions, the job is above your pay grade...
>
> I believe this guy is the valve stem thread, harbor freight bead breaker,
> tire spec, brake lining spec Ultrec nym shifter. If he would just post under
> one name then I and more people would help him. Since I posted this the
> insults and diversions will now start.
>
Yeah, he was offended by what I said and took a shot at me in another
newsgroup over it. I was really just trying to help the guy out.

Asking those rookie questions before starting the major repair he was
contemplating, I had visions of him mangling his hand, crushing his
fingers, or a heavy overhead assembly slipping as he tried to remove it
and dropping down onto him cracking his skull or crushing his chest.

When he sees this post- he'll probably go apoplectic!

--
If it is not right, do not do it; if it is not true, do not say it.
- Marcus Aurelius

On 23 Jul 2018 11:40:10 GMT, Tekkie® wrote:

> I believe this guy is the valve stem thread, harbor freight bead breaker,
> tire spec, brake lining spec Ultrec nym shifter. If he would just post under
> one name then I and more people would help him. Since I posted this the
> insults and diversions will now start.

Notice that the guys who are the dumbest on this newsgroup, always find
something that is completely unrelated to the clutch job, which is teh
topic here, to "complain" about.

*This post by Tekkie proves, yet again, that he's an utter moron.*

The point here is that Tekkie has *never* once in his entire life added
on-topic technical value to *any* thread. He's _that_ stupid, that he can't
possibly add on-topic technical value.

Why do I say this now, after the clutch job is done?

Because Tekkie is a cowardly bully troll.
a. He is a coward.
b. He is a bully.
c. And, worse, Tekkie proves how utterly _stupid_ he is in every post.

I confront cowardly bullies - in threads I care about - because I want
those threads to come to a technical resolution.

Tekkie can be a cowardly bully on any thread that he wants to bully people
on, and I let him be (yes, I read his idiotic posts all the time).

But that doesn't change the fact that Tekkie is a worthless cowardly bully.
That fact is proven every time he posts - as he did here.

Meanwhile:
a. I post a valid question, and I respond to all valid inquiries.
b. Usually I have time to confront cowardly bullies - but not this time
c. Yes, I care about my privacy - which is the only thing Tekkie sees.

Tekkie never once saw a 'clutch job' in this thread.
Not once.

He's _that_ stupid (and it irks me that people are really as stupid as
Tekkie proves he is every single time he posts).

Two related things irk me:
1. Cowardly bullies like Tekkie who have zero helpful intent, and,
2. Outfits like Sears/Midas/AAMCO who screw their trusting customers

On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 08:10:10 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
> wrote:

>Which is best for dropping the transmission?
>
>Do you remove the crossmember, the bracket, or just the transmission mount?
>* Crossmember http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6290082bracket03.jpg
>* Bracket http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=4222146bracket02.jpg
>* Mount http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6137530bracket01.jpg
>

What is the risk off the tranny falling on you?

>Also, do you locktite the bolts when you re-install? (What color?)
>http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9054142locktite01.jpg

The bolts have a torque range. Torque 'em and forget it.

On 22 Jul 2018 09:18:06 GMT, Oren wrote:

> What is the risk off the tranny falling on you?
>
>>Also, do you locktite the bolts when you re-install? (What color?)
>>http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9054142locktite01.jpg
>
> The bolts have a torque range. Torque 'em and forget it.

I found out that almost nobody uses locktite on transmission bolts.
Flywheel yes. Transmission no.

I still might locktite it though, just because it's hard to get to the
upper 17mm transmission bolts on the bell housing (I had to use a series of
half-inch extensions 30" long with a swivel as the 3/8" extensions just
twisted more than a quarter turn and were useless).

The blue is the locktite I'll buy (I generally never use the stuff but I've
never done a transmission before - but I've done everything else that
people do as I don't think I've been to a mechanic in two decades and my
cars are all that old).
http://www.wdarc.org/Loctite%20Guide.pdf

I was hoping for more advice here than "if you don't know, then you should"
though. Sigh.

Anyway, as for the colors,
Blue is just help it from coming loose where proper torquing does the work.
Red is for permanent install, hard to come off
Green is for use on nuts and bolts that are already installed

This guide to locktite seems useful.
http://www.loctite.com.au/aue/conten...5_Approved.pdf

On 07/22/2018 12:37 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> Anyway, as for the colors,
> Blue is just help it from coming loose where proper torquing does the work.
> Red is for permanent install, hard to come off
> Green is for use on nuts and bolts that are already installed

If you're going to use any, blue is the way to go or the next time you
remove the transmission you'll be in there with a torch heating up the
bolts to soften the red.

I have never used LocTite on transmission, bellhousing, or pressure
plate fasteners.

On 7/22/2018 4:07 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 07/22/2018 12:37 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
>> Anyway, as for the colors,
>> Blue is just help it from coming loose where proper torquing does the
>> work.
>> Red is for permanent install, hard to come off
>> Green is for use on nuts and bolts that are already installed
>
> If you're going to use any, blue is the way to go or the next time you
> remove the transmission you'll be in there with a torch heating up the
> bolts to soften the red.
>
> I have never used LocTite on transmission, bellhousing, or pressure
> plate fasteners.

* But damn sure on the nut that holds the compensator sprocket to the
crankshaft on your Harley ...

--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety .
Get off my lawn !

On 22 Jul 2018 14:20:55 GMT, Terry Coombs wrote:

>> I have never used LocTite on transmission, bellhousing, or pressure
>> plate fasteners.
>
> * But damn sure on the nut that holds the compensator sprocket to the
> crankshaft on your Harley ...

Thanks for the locktite advice, where I never use it and I've done a decent
amount of work (cooling systems, alternators, belts, tensioners, etc.)
where I never before ran into bolts that needed 30 inches of extension to
get to, so I'll locktite blue them sparingly.

I always buy the tools I need, where right now, I can't think of the tool
that I need, but whatever it is, I need it.

How on earth do you get the transmission to back away from the engine?
I can't budge the thing! It's in neutral. I'm positive all the bolts are
off. I'm only somewhat positive that it's level because you can't really
easily tell, but it's close enough as I can wiggle it back and forth. If
it's hanging up on something, I don't see what. I just can't get any
rearward force on that transmission. What tool does that?

Here are some pictures showing that it seems to be hanging up on the upper
dowel pin, where the lower dowel pin is already out.

This is the driver side lower dowel pin, which is already out:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7254379bellhousing01.jpg>
This is the same view showing that the tranmission "appears" level:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6205540bellhousing02.jpg>
This is the passenger side where the dowel pin can be seen up high:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5277197bellhousing03.jpg>
I'm not sure where to place the jack but it's at the transmission waist:
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=1315488bellhousing04.jpg>

The tool I need is a tool to back the transmission away from the engine.
What tool is that?