What I want vs. what the reality could support

On 20 �нв, 01:54, Scott M > wrote:
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >>> A 2.0L V8? Is there such a thing?
> >> Ferrari made one.
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> > That's 250cc per cylinder. I've had lawn mowers with bigger cylinders than
> > that. Seems to me that a 2L V8 would need to turn lots of RPMs.
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> 2L I6s & V6s are generally regarded as being too small for the number of
> cylinders; smooth but thirsty is the usual comment. A 2L V8 would be
> woeful and probably worse in every way than a 2L 4-pot.
>

Ok, I guess i'd have to wait for 3 chamber wenkel to enter production
then
to reach or overtake the smoothness of a v8 :-)

On 19 �нв, 19:44, "Jeff Strickland" > wrote:
> "AD" > wrote in message
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> > Call me a pervert, but I want a V8, around 2.0 liters, AWD layout with
> > rearward bias and the seats that have lateral support on one
> > hand and in which you could move in the other. Lack of static
> > electricity discharges is a plus. Let's see, 55 profile tires for
> > summer on R15 or R16 and around 60 on R15 or R14 for winter.
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> > Since no such thing exist my heart whispers 325xi, but my wallet tells
> > me A4 quattro with something motivating it in the 1.6 - 2.4 range.
> > The former 4 banger being hard to find (also have doubts 1.6 could run
> > A/C well)
> > and the latter guzzling quite a lot of gas despite being 2 pots short
> > of the desired
> > pot count i might just have to suppress my disdain towards turbo.
> > Maybe NVH of an audi four bangers is not that bad
> > though i never heard any raves about their engines.
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> > Looks like A4 is the way to go, primary because (official) bmw
> > services in this part of urop are ripoffs
> > and vw services are plentiful. Sigh.
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> > Talk me out of this
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> A 2.0L V8? Is there such a thing?
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> Why would you think a 2.0L 4-cylinder can drive an A/C, but a 1.6L can't?

had a 2.0L 4 pot protege -> A/C was working fine, the engine was
anything but smooth as expected
from a 4 banger that was not through the honda treatment (adding lots
of complexity in the process).

on 1,6L i read of nothing but problems with A/C performance (chevrolet
mostly)

On 19 �нв, 19:44, "Jeff Strickland" > wrote:
> "AD" > wrote in message
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> > Call me a pervert, but I want a V8, around 2.0 liters, AWD layout with
> > rearward bias and the seats that have lateral support on one
> > hand and in which you could move in the other. Lack of static
> > electricity discharges is a plus. Let's see, 55 profile tires for
> > summer on R15 or R16 and around 60 on R15 or R14 for winter.
>
> > Since no such thing exist my heart whispers 325xi, but my wallet tells
> > me A4 quattro with something motivating it in the 1.6 - 2.4 range.
> > The former 4 banger being hard to find (also have doubts 1.6 could run
> > A/C well)
> > and the latter guzzling quite a lot of gas despite being 2 pots short
> > of the desired
> > pot count i might just have to suppress my disdain towards turbo.
> > Maybe NVH of an audi four bangers is not that bad
> > though i never heard any raves about their engines.
>
> > Looks like A4 is the way to go, primary because (official) bmw
> > services in this part of urop are ripoffs
> > and vw services are plentiful. Sigh.
>
> > Talk me out of this
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> A 2.0L V8? Is there such a thing?
>
> Why would you think a 2.0L 4-cylinder can drive an A/C, but a 1.6L can't?

had a 2.0L 4 pot protege -> A/C was working fine, the engine was
anything but smooth as expected
from a 4 banger that was not through the honda treatment (adding lots
of complexity in the process).

on 1,6L i read of nothing but problems with A/C performance (chevrolet
mostly)

On 20 �нв, 01:05, "Jeff Strickland" > wrote:
> "Dean Dark" > wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:44:44 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
> > > wrote:
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> >>A 2.0L V8? Is there such a thing?
>
> > Ferrari made one.
>
> That's 250cc per cylinder. I've had lawn mowers with bigger cylinders than
> that. Seems to me that a 2L V8 would need to turn lots of RPMs.

to make a lot of power -> something I do not crave. I'm thinking an I6
or an I7
turbodiesel from a truck line would have suited me ok, but i don't
think those
things are smooth and i don't like volvo at all; hence 740 is out of
the picture

On 20 �нв, 01:05, "Jeff Strickland" > wrote:
> "Dean Dark" > wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:44:44 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
> > > wrote:
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> >>A 2.0L V8? Is there such a thing?
>
> > Ferrari made one.
>
> That's 250cc per cylinder. I've had lawn mowers with bigger cylinders than
> that. Seems to me that a 2L V8 would need to turn lots of RPMs.

to make a lot of power -> something I do not crave. I'm thinking an I6
or an I7
turbodiesel from a truck line would have suited me ok, but i don't
think those
things are smooth and i don't like volvo at all; hence 740 is out of
the picture

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 01:23:48 -0800 (PST), AD > wrote:

>On 20 ???, 01:50, Dean Dark > wrote:
>> On 19 Jan 2011 18:30:16 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
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>> >"Dean Dark" > wrote in message
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>> >> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:44:44 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
>> >> > wrote:
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>> >>>A 2.0L V8? Is there such a thing?
>>
>> >> Ferrari made one.
>>
>> >Didn't that one explode a lot?
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>> I don't know. *It was back in the late 70s and I think it was built
>> for the Italian market that at that time had some really nutty
>> cc-related taxation laws.
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>> I had a '66 Triumph Vitesse with a 1600 cc straight six. *The
>> cylinders weren't *that* much bigger than 250 cc. *Sweet little
>> engine, it was.
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>Hmm, 940kg-2072 lbs, about mazda 2 territory.
>How much fuel did it gulp then?

It was a long time ago, I don't remember exactly. I recall that it
used a bit more than a typical four did but it couldn't have been
outrageously more as I wasn't exactly flushed with cash in those days,
and I wouldn't have kept it had it been a fuel-swilling pig.

I kept it until tin-worm ate right through the rear of the chassis in
1974 or so. Cars certainly rotted fast in those pre-galvanization
days.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 01:23:48 -0800 (PST), AD > wrote:

>On 20 ???, 01:50, Dean Dark > wrote:
>> On 19 Jan 2011 18:30:16 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>>
>> >"Dean Dark" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>> >> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:44:44 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
>> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >>>A 2.0L V8? Is there such a thing?
>>
>> >> Ferrari made one.
>>
>> >Didn't that one explode a lot?
>>
>> I don't know. *It was back in the late 70s and I think it was built
>> for the Italian market that at that time had some really nutty
>> cc-related taxation laws.
>>
>> I had a '66 Triumph Vitesse with a 1600 cc straight six. *The
>> cylinders weren't *that* much bigger than 250 cc. *Sweet little
>> engine, it was.
>
>Hmm, 940kg-2072 lbs, about mazda 2 territory.
>How much fuel did it gulp then?

It was a long time ago, I don't remember exactly. I recall that it
used a bit more than a typical four did but it couldn't have been
outrageously more as I wasn't exactly flushed with cash in those days,
and I wouldn't have kept it had it been a fuel-swilling pig.

I kept it until tin-worm ate right through the rear of the chassis in
1974 or so. Cars certainly rotted fast in those pre-galvanization
days.

"AD" > wrote in message
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On 20 �нв, 01:05, "Jeff Strickland" > wrote:
> "Dean Dark" > wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:44:44 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
> > > wrote:
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> >>A 2.0L V8? Is there such a thing?
>
> > Ferrari made one.
>
> That's 250cc per cylinder. I've had lawn mowers with bigger cylinders than
> that. Seems to me that a 2L V8 would need to turn lots of RPMs.

to make a lot of power -> something I do not crave. I'm thinking an I6
or an I7
turbodiesel from a truck line would have suited me ok, but i don't
think those
things are smooth and i don't like volvo at all; hence 740 is out of
the picture

<JS>
I don't get it. You are all over the ballpark. There is no such thing (for
any practical reason) of a 2L V8. You can get a very nice 2.5L I6 and some
very smooth 3L V6s. You can also get good 2L 4-cylinders. So, you can get
smooth, and you can get 2L and you can get V8, but you can't get a smooth 2L
V8.

Now, you have abandoned your dream list and switched gears to some
monstrosity of a diesel that is not smooth and smells bad, and if you are in
the USA, buying fuel is a challenge.

</JS>

"AD" > wrote in message
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On 20 �нв, 01:05, "Jeff Strickland" > wrote:
> "Dean Dark" > wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:44:44 -0800, "Jeff Strickland"
> > > wrote:
>
> >>A 2.0L V8? Is there such a thing?
>
> > Ferrari made one.
>
> That's 250cc per cylinder. I've had lawn mowers with bigger cylinders than
> that. Seems to me that a 2L V8 would need to turn lots of RPMs.

to make a lot of power -> something I do not crave. I'm thinking an I6
or an I7
turbodiesel from a truck line would have suited me ok, but i don't
think those
things are smooth and i don't like volvo at all; hence 740 is out of
the picture

<JS>
I don't get it. You are all over the ballpark. There is no such thing (for
any practical reason) of a 2L V8. You can get a very nice 2.5L I6 and some
very smooth 3L V6s. You can also get good 2L 4-cylinders. So, you can get
smooth, and you can get 2L and you can get V8, but you can't get a smooth 2L
V8.

Now, you have abandoned your dream list and switched gears to some
monstrosity of a diesel that is not smooth and smells bad, and if you are in
the USA, buying fuel is a challenge.

</JS>

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On 19 �нв, 19:44, "Jeff Strickland" > wrote:
> "AD" > wrote in message
>
> ...
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> > Call me a pervert, but I want a V8, around 2.0 liters, AWD layout with
> > rearward bias and the seats that have lateral support on one
> > hand and in which you could move in the other. Lack of static
> > electricity discharges is a plus. Let's see, 55 profile tires for
> > summer on R15 or R16 and around 60 on R15 or R14 for winter.
>
> > Since no such thing exist my heart whispers 325xi, but my wallet tells
> > me A4 quattro with something motivating it in the 1.6 - 2.4 range.
> > The former 4 banger being hard to find (also have doubts 1.6 could run
> > A/C well)
> > and the latter guzzling quite a lot of gas despite being 2 pots short
> > of the desired
> > pot count i might just have to suppress my disdain towards turbo.
> > Maybe NVH of an audi four bangers is not that bad
> > though i never heard any raves about their engines.
>
> > Looks like A4 is the way to go, primary because (official) bmw
> > services in this part of urop are ripoffs
> > and vw services are plentiful. Sigh.
>
> > Talk me out of this
>
> A 2.0L V8? Is there such a thing?
>
> Why would you think a 2.0L 4-cylinder can drive an A/C, but a 1.6L can't?

had a 2.0L 4 pot protege -> A/C was working fine, the engine was
anything but smooth as expected
from a 4 banger that was not through the honda treatment (adding lots
of complexity in the process).

on 1,6L i read of nothing but problems with A/C performance (chevrolet
mostly)


<JS>
You are complaining of the performance of a Mazda and a Chevrolet on a BMW
board where you are asking an opinion of an Audi?

What's up with that?

BMW makes a very nice I6 that fits your needs. The 330xi or the 325xi are
current cars in the E90 chassis, and also exist in the E46 chassis -- both 3
Series cars. I don't know if you can get an xi (AWD) in the 5 Series or not,
but I think not. In any case, BMW's I6 is a fine motor that will deliver
plenty of silky smooth power, and can be had in an AWD format. You can also
go for the straight RWD format of the 3 Series or the 5 Series if the 3 is
too small.

</JS>