I'm back and it's still sitting in my garage...

"Michael Johnson" > wrote in message
...
> Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
>> On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:53:02 -0500, Michael Johnson >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There is one possibility and that is a bad computer. The computer in my
>>> '89 LX died at around 1,000 miles so it is possible.
>>
>> Yes, but unless you check all the sensors and sub-systems and those
>> tests all point back to the computer, save that for dead last - yes
>> it's possible, but it's a vanishingly small chance, "Man Bites Dog"
>> rare. And the computers are rather expensive and not returnable.
>
> Just plug in a working computer and see if the car starts. Get one from a
> junk yard.
>
>> The last thing you do before replacing the computer is to unplug the
>> computer wiring harnesses and wiggle when you plug them back in. A
>> little oxidation on one low-level sensor signal pin, or a low-level
>> output line that pulls up a critical relay...
>>
>> Plugs, plug wires, cap and rotor are normal wear items that need to
>> be done occasionally anyway.
>>
>> Hook up the Noid Lights and make sure it's pulsing, hook up a
>> pressure gauge and do a Pressure AND Flow test on the fuel pump and
>> pressure regulator - you crack a valve to fill a quart/liter jar in a
>> specified time while watching that the fuel pump is holding at or
>> above the specified pressure. Filling the quart jar doesn't work if
>> the pressure drops to zero in the process.
>>
>> I think you said it starts for a few seconds on Ether (Starting
>> Fluid), that means it's getting ignition and likely a fuel issue.
>
> As was mentioned before, it could be the ECU isn't firing the injectors.
> IMO, the guy needs to get the car to a Ford dealer and let them diagnose
> it. There is a reason they have all that fancy equipment sitting around.


another thing it could be is the solenoid,
unless the engine turns over some when trying to start.
If solenoid is gone, nothing happens, EZ to replace. Next to Coil, main
power distribution block.
I had a flaky one it would start, and sometimes nothing at all.
Solenoid had a loose wire inside it.

Lets see if Joe checks back in and gives us a report of any progress.

"Joe Colella" > wrote in message
news:tsf6j.2264$rB1.1734@trnddc03...
> So, I have taken most of your advice and I am still stationary... The
> situation is my 93 GT ran well Friday night, but Saturday morning it would
> not start and this is what I have done... Any and all advice,
> suggestions and prayers will be greatly appreciated!!!
>
> Am I getting a spark... Yes, at the two plugs I checked and when I
> sprayed a lot of starter fluid into the open throttle body it ran at a
> high
> idle for about 2 seconds.
>
> Am I getting fuel... Not sure, but fuel pressure is 40 PSI (within
> specification) at the Schrader valve.
>
> Do I have bad gas... No. I siphoned about a gallon of gas into a big
> old
> glass jar and did not see any beads of water at the bottom of the jar.
>
> Pushing the peddle to the floor... Didn't help: I tried pushing the
> peddle to the floor while cranking the engine and it had no effect.
>
> Do I have a bad fuel filter... Changed it.
>
> Do I have a bad fuel pump... When I tried to extract some fault codes
> from the ECM by following the directions from www.fordfuelinjection.com,
> my
> Check Engine light lit dimly, I heard the fuel pump start, I did not hear
> any electronic clicks and after 1.5 minutes, the fuel pump was still
> running. (I checked my STI-to-negative terminal connection and tried it
> again with the exact same results???
>
> Do I have a bad TFI module... Not the problem; I removed the TFI
> module
> and confirmed all of the resistances are within specification.
>
> Checking TFI module for ground and signal... How?
>
> Do I have a bad MAF; unplugging the MAF... Didn't help: I unplugged
> the
> MAF and tried starting the car normally and with a lot of starter fluid
> down
> the throttle body. In both cases the car behaved just like it did when the
> MAF was plugged in.
>
> Do I have a bad MAF; swapping the MAF... I have not tried swapping
> MAF's.
>
> Extracting fault codes... When I tried to extract some fault codes
> from
> the ECM by following the directions from www.fordfuelinjection.com, my
> Check
> Engine light lit dimly, I heard the fuel pump start, I did not hear any
> electronic clicks and after 1.5 minutes, the fuel pump was still running.
> (I
> checked my STI-to-negative terminal connection and tried it again with the
> exact same results???
>
> Do I have bad fuel injectors... I have been told to pull a couple to
> see
> if they have fouled nozzle tips. This seems easy enough!
>
> The "NOID" test... I assume the two questions "Are the fuel injectors
> being pulsed?" and "Are the fuel injectors being triggered?" are asking
> the
> same thing. I have been told to put a set of "NOID" lights in place of
> the
> injectors on the wiring harness and make sure they flash. Do I have to
> check all eight fuel injectors?
>
> Do I have a bad fuel pressure regulator... I have done nothing with
> respect to the fuel pressure regulator.
>
>
>

On Dec 7, 4:40 pm, "ScottM" > wrote:
> Check for any corroded conections near the battery (acid fumes). If there
> are any plugs near the battery open them to have a look. I remember a Ford
> of some kind where they put the main ground for the ECM right next to the
> battery and it would corrode inside the plug. Couldn't see it without
> unplugging it.
>
> You really could check just oneinjectorwith the noid light. Not likley
> some would fire but not others.
>
> "Joe Colella" > wrote in message
>
> news:tsf6j.2264$rB1.1734@trnddc03...
>
>
>
> > So, I have taken most of your advice and I am still stationary... The
> > situation is my 93 GT ran well Friday night, but Saturday morning it would
> > not start and this is what I have done... Any and all advice,
> > suggestions and prayers will be greatly appreciated!!!
>
> > Am I getting a spark... Yes, at the two plugs I checked and when I
> > sprayed a lot of starter fluid into the open throttle body it ran at a
> > high
> > idle for about 2 seconds.
>
> > Am I getting fuel... Not sure, but fuel pressure is 40 PSI (within
> > specification) at the Schrader valve.
>
> > Do I have bad gas... No. I siphoned about a gallon of gas into a big
> > old
> > glass jar and did not see any beads of water at the bottom of the jar.
>
> > Pushing the peddle to the floor... Didn't help: I tried pushing the
> > peddle to the floor while cranking the engine and it had no effect.
>
> > Do I have a bad fuel filter... Changed it.
>
> > Do I have a bad fuel pump... When I tried to extract some fault codes
> > from the ECM by following the directions fromwww.fordfuelinjection.com,
> > my
> > Check Engine light lit dimly, I heard the fuel pump start, I did not hear
> > any electronic clicks and after 1.5 minutes, the fuel pump was still
> > running. (I checked my STI-to-negative terminal connection and tried it
> > again with the exact same results???
>
> > Do I have a bad TFI module... Not the problem; I removed the TFI
> > module
> > and confirmed all of the resistances are within specification.
>
> > Checking TFI module for ground and signal... How?
>
> > Do I have a bad MAF; unplugging the MAF... Didn't help: I unplugged
> > the
> > MAF and tried starting the car normally and with a lot of starter fluid
> > down
> > the throttle body. In both cases the car behaved just like it did when the
> > MAF was plugged in.
>
> > Do I have a bad MAF; swapping the MAF... I have not tried swapping
> > MAF's.
>
> > Extracting fault codes... When I tried to extract some fault codes
> > from
> > the ECM by following the directions fromwww.fordfuelinjection.com, my
> > Check
> > Engine light lit dimly, I heard the fuel pump start, I did not hear any
> > electronic clicks and after 1.5 minutes, the fuel pump was still running.
> > (I
> > checked my STI-to-negative terminal connection and tried it again with the
> > exact same results???
>
> > Do I have bad fuel injectors... I have been told to pull a couple to
> > see
> > if they have fouled nozzle tips. This seems easy enough!
>
> > The "NOID" test... I assume the two questions "Are the fuel injectors
> > being pulsed?" and "Are the fuel injectors being triggered?" are asking
> > the
> > same thing. I have been told to put a set of "NOID" lights in place of
> > the
> > injectors on the wiring harness and make sure they flash. Do I have to
> > check all eight fuel injectors?
>
> > Do I have a bad fuel pressure regulator... I have done nothing with
> > respect to the fuel pressure regulator.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


The noid light did not flash...

I think I see light at the end of the tunnel...

or is that just some lsd molecules jarred lose?

Joe

.... I see myself driving soon!

On Dec 8, 7:55 am, "Fred" > wrote:
> Lets see if Joe checks back in and gives us a report of any progress.
>
> "Joe Colella" > wrote in message
>
> news:tsf6j.2264$rB1.1734@trnddc03...
>
>
>
> > So, I have taken most of your advice and I am still stationary... The
> > situation is my 93 GT ran well Friday night, but Saturday morning it would
> > not start and this is what I have done... Any and all advice,
> > suggestions and prayers will be greatly appreciated!!!
>
> > Am I getting a spark... Yes, at the two plugs I checked and when I
> > sprayed a lot of starter fluid into the open throttle body it ran at a
> > high
> > idle for about 2 seconds.
>
> > Am I getting fuel... Not sure, but fuel pressure is 40 PSI (within
> > specification) at the Schrader valve.
>
> > Do I have bad gas... No. I siphoned about a gallon of gas into a big
> > old
> > glass jar and did not see any beads of water at the bottom of the jar.
>
> > Pushing the peddle to the floor... Didn't help: I tried pushing the
> > peddle to the floor while cranking the engine and it had no effect.
>
> > Do I have a bad fuel filter... Changed it.
>
> > Do I have a bad fuel pump... When I tried to extract some fault codes
> > from the ECM by following the directions fromwww.fordfuelinjection.com,
> > my
> > Check Engine light lit dimly, I heard the fuel pump start, I did not hear
> > any electronic clicks and after 1.5 minutes, the fuel pump was still
> > running. (I checked my STI-to-negative terminal connection and tried it
> > again with the exact same results???
>
> > Do I have a bad TFI module... Not the problem; I removed the TFI
> > module
> > and confirmed all of the resistances are within specification.
>
> > Checking TFI module for ground and signal... How?
>
> > Do I have a bad MAF; unplugging the MAF... Didn't help: I unplugged
> > the
> > MAF and tried starting the car normally and with a lot of starter fluid
> > down
> > the throttle body. In both cases the car behaved just like it did when the
> > MAF was plugged in.
>
> > Do I have a bad MAF; swapping the MAF... I have not tried swapping
> > MAF's.
>
> > Extracting fault codes... When I tried to extract some fault codes
> > from
> > the ECM by following the directions fromwww.fordfuelinjection.com, my
> > Check
> > Engine light lit dimly, I heard the fuel pump start, I did not hear any
> > electronic clicks and after 1.5 minutes, the fuel pump was still running.
> > (I
> > checked my STI-to-negative terminal connection and tried it again with the
> > exact same results???
>
> > Do I have bad fuel injectors... I have been told to pull a couple to
> > see
> > if they have fouled nozzle tips. This seems easy enough!
>
> > The "NOID" test... I assume the two questions "Are the fuel injectors
> > being pulsed?" and "Are the fuel injectors being triggered?" are asking
> > the
> > same thing. I have been told to put a set of "NOID" lights in place of
> > the
> > injectors on the wiring harness and make sure they flash. Do I have to
> > check all eight fuel injectors?
>
> > Do I have a bad fuel pressure regulator... I have done nothing with
> > respect to the fuel pressure regulator.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -




The noid light did not flash...

I think I see light at the end of the tunnel...

or is that just some lsd molecules jarred lose?

Joe

.... I see myself driving soon!

On Dec 7, 9:52 pm, "rider" > wrote:
> I've seen the module go bad
> on some of them fords and still let the spark plug fire
> but would not let the computer know when to fire
> the injectors.
>
> The only way is do a noid test on the injector harness
> some part stores have free module test.
>
> need to check the fuel pressure also.


The noid test failed...

Could the Ignition Module go bad, but all of the resistances be within
spec?

Joe

On Dec 8, 4:04 pm, Joe > wrote:
> On Dec 8, 7:55 am, "Fred" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Lets see if Joe checks back in and gives us a report of any progress.
>
> > "Joe Colella" > wrote in message
>
> >news:tsf6j.2264$rB1.1734@trnddc03...
>
> > > So, I have taken most of your advice and I am still stationary... The
> > > situation is my 93 GT ran well Friday night, but Saturday morning it would
> > > not start and this is what I have done... Any and all advice,
> > > suggestions and prayers will be greatly appreciated!!!
>
> > > Am I getting a spark... Yes, at the two plugs I checked and when I
> > > sprayed a lot of starter fluid into the open throttle body it ran at a
> > > high
> > > idle for about 2 seconds.
>
> > > Am I getting fuel... Not sure, but fuel pressure is 40 PSI (within
> > > specification) at the Schrader valve.
>
> > > Do I have bad gas... No. I siphoned about a gallon of gas into a big
> > > old
> > > glass jar and did not see any beads of water at the bottom of the jar.
>
> > > Pushing the peddle to the floor... Didn't help: I tried pushing the
> > > peddle to the floor while cranking the engine and it had no effect.
>
> > > Do I have a bad fuel filter... Changed it.
>
> > > Do I have a bad fuel pump... When I tried to extract some fault codes
> > > from the ECM by following the directions fromwww.fordfuelinjection.com,
> > > my
> > > Check Engine light lit dimly, I heard the fuel pump start, I did not hear
> > > any electronic clicks and after 1.5 minutes, the fuel pump was still
> > > running. (I checked my STI-to-negative terminal connection and tried it
> > > again with the exact same results???
>
> > > Do I have a bad TFI module... Not the problem; I removed the TFI
> > > module
> > > and confirmed all of the resistances are within specification.
>
> > > Checking TFI module for ground and signal... How?
>
> > > Do I have a bad MAF; unplugging the MAF... Didn't help: I unplugged
> > > the
> > > MAF and tried starting the car normally and with a lot of starter fluid
> > > down
> > > the throttle body. In both cases the car behaved just like it did when the
> > > MAF was plugged in.
>
> > > Do I have a bad MAF; swapping the MAF... I have not tried swapping
> > > MAF's.
>
> > > Extracting fault codes... When I tried to extract some fault codes
> > > from
> > > the ECM by following the directions fromwww.fordfuelinjection.com, my
> > > Check
> > > Engine light lit dimly, I heard the fuel pump start, I did not hear any
> > > electronic clicks and after 1.5 minutes, the fuel pump was still running.
> > > (I
> > > checked my STI-to-negative terminal connection and tried it again with the
> > > exact same results???
>
> > > Do I have bad fuel injectors... I have been told to pull a couple to
> > > see
> > > if they have fouled nozzle tips. This seems easy enough!
>
> > > The "NOID" test... I assume the two questions "Are the fuel injectors
> > > being pulsed?" and "Are the fuel injectors being triggered?" are asking
> > > the
> > > same thing. I have been told to put a set of "NOID" lights in place of
> > > the
> > > injectors on the wiring harness and make sure they flash. Do I have to
> > > check all eight fuel injectors?
>
> > > Do I have a bad fuel pressure regulator... I have done nothing with
> > > respect to the fuel pressure regulator.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The noid light did not flash...
>
> I think I see light at the end of the tunnel...
>
> or is that just some lsd molecules jarred lose?
>
> Joe
>
> ... I see myself driving soon!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


HHHEEELLLPPP

The best I can figure, the injectors are connected directly to the
PCM...

Does that mean the PCM is bad?

From above...
>>> When I tried to extract some fault codes from the ECM
>>> by following the directions fromwww.fordfuelinjection.com,
>>> my Check Engine light lit dimly, I heard the fuel pump
>>> start, I did not hear any electronic clicks and after 1.5
>>> minutes, the fuel pump was still running. (I checked my
>>> STI-to-negative terminal connection and tried it again
>>> with the exact same results???

Since the non-code reader code reading thing did not
work (see above), I bought a code reader and I am
about to try it. Since the non-code reader code reading
thing did not work, I am not confident the code reader
will work.

Here goes...

Joe

On Dec 7, 6:06 pm, wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:40:07 -0800, "ScottM" > wrote:
> >Check for any corroded conections near the battery (acid fumes). If there
> >are any plugs near the battery open them to have a look. I remember a Ford
> >of some kind where they put the main ground for the ECM right next to the
> >battery and it would corrode inside the plug. Couldn't see it without
> >unplugging it.
>
> >You really could check just one injector with the noid light. Not likley
> >some would fire but not others.
>
> >"Joe Colella" > wrote in message
> >news:tsf6j.2264$rB1.1734@trnddc03...
> >> So, I have taken most of your advice and I am still stationary... The
> >> situation is my 93 GT ran well Friday night, but Saturday morning it would
> >> not start and this is what I have done... Any and all advice,
> >> suggestions and prayers will be greatly appreciated!!!
>
> >> Am I getting a spark... Yes, at the two plugs I checked and when I
> >> sprayed a lot of starter fluid into the open throttle body it ran at a
> >> high
> >> idle for about 2 seconds.
>
> >> Am I getting fuel... Not sure, but fuel pressure is 40 PSI (within
> >> specification) at the Schrader valve.
>
> >> Do I have bad gas... No. I siphoned about a gallon of gas into a big
> >> old
> >> glass jar and did not see any beads of water at the bottom of the jar.
>
> >> Pushing the peddle to the floor... Didn't help: I tried pushing the
> >> peddle to the floor while cranking the engine and it had no effect.
>
> >> Do I have a bad fuel filter... Changed it.
>
> >> Do I have a bad fuel pump... When I tried to extract some fault codes
> >> from the ECM by following the directions fromwww.fordfuelinjection.com,
> >> my
> >> Check Engine light lit dimly, I heard the fuel pump start, I did not hear
> >> any electronic clicks and after 1.5 minutes, the fuel pump was still
> >> running. (I checked my STI-to-negative terminal connection and tried it
> >> again with the exact same results???
>
> >> Do I have a bad TFI module... Not the problem; I removed the TFI
> >> module
> >> and confirmed all of the resistances are within specification.
>
> >> Checking TFI module for ground and signal... How?
>
> >> Do I have a bad MAF; unplugging the MAF... Didn't help: I unplugged
> >> the
> >> MAF and tried starting the car normally and with a lot of starter fluid
> >> down
> >> the throttle body. In both cases the car behaved just like it did when the
> >> MAF was plugged in.
>
> >> Do I have a bad MAF; swapping the MAF... I have not tried swapping
> >> MAF's.
>
> >> Extracting fault codes... When I tried to extract some fault codes
> >> from
> >> the ECM by following the directions fromwww.fordfuelinjection.com, my
> >> Check
> >> Engine light lit dimly, I heard the fuel pump start, I did not hear any
> >> electronic clicks and after 1.5 minutes, the fuel pump was still running.
> >> (I
> >> checked my STI-to-negative terminal connection and tried it again with the
> >> exact same results???
>
> >> Do I have bad fuel injectors... I have been told to pull a couple to
> >> see
> >> if they have fouled nozzle tips. This seems easy enough!
>
> >> The "NOID" test... I assume the two questions "Are the fuel injectors
> >> being pulsed?" and "Are the fuel injectors being triggered?" are asking
> >> the
> >> same thing. I have been told to put a set of "NOID" lights in place of
> >> the
> >> injectors on the wiring harness and make sure they flash. Do I have to
> >> check all eight fuel injectors?
>
> >> Do I have a bad fuel pressure regulator... I have done nothing with
> >> respect to the fuel pressure regulator.
>
> Everyone is pointing toward fuel problems, either delivery or
> electric control through the computer or at the injectors. I remember
> a big problem much like this that frustrated me to no end. Finally
> asked an "expert shade tree mechanic" who said, "Check the timing,
> it's the timing chain that's bad" Well, guess what..... Yup,
> broke a tooth on the sprocket and it was off enough not to fire but
> everything up top was working, just not at the right time.
>
> Just for "my piece of mind" if not for yours, put a timing light on
> it, that 30 seconds might save you a lot of trouble.
>
> John - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


John,

If my car won't start, how would I check the timing?

Joe

Joe wrote:
> On Dec 7, 6:06 pm, wrote:
>> On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:40:07 -0800, "ScottM" > wrote:
>>> Check for any corroded conections near the battery (acid fumes). If there
>>> are any plugs near the battery open them to have a look. I remember a Ford
>>> of some kind where they put the main ground for the ECM right next to the
>>> battery and it would corrode inside the plug. Couldn't see it without
>>> unplugging it.
>>> You really could check just one injector with the noid light. Not likley
>>> some would fire but not others.
>>> "Joe Colella" > wrote in message
>>> news:tsf6j.2264$rB1.1734@trnddc03...
>>>> So, I have taken most of your advice and I am still stationary... The
>>>> situation is my 93 GT ran well Friday night, but Saturday morning it would
>>>> not start and this is what I have done... Any and all advice,
>>>> suggestions and prayers will be greatly appreciated!!!
>>>> Am I getting a spark... Yes, at the two plugs I checked and when I
>>>> sprayed a lot of starter fluid into the open throttle body it ran at a
>>>> high
>>>> idle for about 2 seconds.
>>>> Am I getting fuel... Not sure, but fuel pressure is 40 PSI (within
>>>> specification) at the Schrader valve.
>>>> Do I have bad gas... No. I siphoned about a gallon of gas into a big
>>>> old
>>>> glass jar and did not see any beads of water at the bottom of the jar.
>>>> Pushing the peddle to the floor... Didn't help: I tried pushing the
>>>> peddle to the floor while cranking the engine and it had no effect.
>>>> Do I have a bad fuel filter... Changed it.
>>>> Do I have a bad fuel pump... When I tried to extract some fault codes
>>>> from the ECM by following the directions fromwww.fordfuelinjection.com,
>>>> my
>>>> Check Engine light lit dimly, I heard the fuel pump start, I did not hear
>>>> any electronic clicks and after 1.5 minutes, the fuel pump was still
>>>> running. (I checked my STI-to-negative terminal connection and tried it
>>>> again with the exact same results???
>>>> Do I have a bad TFI module... Not the problem; I removed the TFI
>>>> module
>>>> and confirmed all of the resistances are within specification.
>>>> Checking TFI module for ground and signal... How?
>>>> Do I have a bad MAF; unplugging the MAF... Didn't help: I unplugged
>>>> the
>>>> MAF and tried starting the car normally and with a lot of starter fluid
>>>> down
>>>> the throttle body. In both cases the car behaved just like it did when the
>>>> MAF was plugged in.
>>>> Do I have a bad MAF; swapping the MAF... I have not tried swapping
>>>> MAF's.
>>>> Extracting fault codes... When I tried to extract some fault codes
>>>> from
>>>> the ECM by following the directions fromwww.fordfuelinjection.com, my
>>>> Check
>>>> Engine light lit dimly, I heard the fuel pump start, I did not hear any
>>>> electronic clicks and after 1.5 minutes, the fuel pump was still running.
>>>> (I
>>>> checked my STI-to-negative terminal connection and tried it again with the
>>>> exact same results???
>>>> Do I have bad fuel injectors... I have been told to pull a couple to
>>>> see
>>>> if they have fouled nozzle tips. This seems easy enough!
>>>> The "NOID" test... I assume the two questions "Are the fuel injectors
>>>> being pulsed?" and "Are the fuel injectors being triggered?" are asking
>>>> the
>>>> same thing. I have been told to put a set of "NOID" lights in place of
>>>> the
>>>> injectors on the wiring harness and make sure they flash. Do I have to
>>>> check all eight fuel injectors?
>>>> Do I have a bad fuel pressure regulator... I have done nothing with
>>>> respect to the fuel pressure regulator.
>> Everyone is pointing toward fuel problems, either delivery or
>> electric control through the computer or at the injectors. I remember
>> a big problem much like this that frustrated me to no end. Finally
>> asked an "expert shade tree mechanic" who said, "Check the timing,
>> it's the timing chain that's bad" Well, guess what..... Yup,
>> broke a tooth on the sprocket and it was off enough not to fire but
>> everything up top was working, just not at the right time.
>>
>> Just for "my piece of mind" if not for yours, put a timing light on
>> it, that 30 seconds might save you a lot of trouble.
>>
>> John - Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
> John,
>
> If my car won't start, how would I check the timing?

I don't mean to be rude but if you don't know how to check the timing
then you need to take the car to a garage and let them figure this out.
Right now you are just playing "whack a mole".

On Dec 9, 12:53 am, Michael Johnson > wrote:
> Joe wrote:
> > On Dec 7, 6:06 pm, wrote:
> >> On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:40:07 -0800, "ScottM" > wrote:
> >>> Check for any corroded conections near the battery (acid fumes). If there
> >>> are any plugs near the battery open them to have a look. I remember a Ford
> >>> of some kind where they put the main ground for the ECM right next to the
> >>> battery and it would corrode inside the plug. Couldn't see it without
> >>> unplugging it.
> >>> You really could check just one injector with the noid light. Not likley
> >>> some would fire but not others.
> >>> "Joe Colella" > wrote in message
> >>>news:tsf6j.2264$rB1.1734@trnddc03...
> >>>> So, I have taken most of your advice and I am still stationary... The
> >>>> situation is my 93 GT ran well Friday night, but Saturday morning it would
> >>>> not start and this is what I have done... Any and all advice,
> >>>> suggestions and prayers will be greatly appreciated!!!
> >>>> Am I getting a spark... Yes, at the two plugs I checked and when I
> >>>> sprayed a lot of starter fluid into the open throttle body it ran at a
> >>>> high
> >>>> idle for about 2 seconds.
> >>>> Am I getting fuel... Not sure, but fuel pressure is 40 PSI (within
> >>>> specification) at the Schrader valve.
> >>>> Do I have bad gas... No. I siphoned about a gallon of gas into a big
> >>>> old
> >>>> glass jar and did not see any beads of water at the bottom of the jar.
> >>>> Pushing the peddle to the floor... Didn't help: I tried pushing the
> >>>> peddle to the floor while cranking the engine and it had no effect.
> >>>> Do I have a bad fuel filter... Changed it.
> >>>> Do I have a bad fuel pump... When I tried to extract some fault codes
> >>>> from the ECM by following the directions fromwww.fordfuelinjection.com,
> >>>> my
> >>>> Check Engine light lit dimly, I heard the fuel pump start, I did not hear
> >>>> any electronic clicks and after 1.5 minutes, the fuel pump was still
> >>>> running. (I checked my STI-to-negative terminal connection and tried it
> >>>> again with the exact same results???
> >>>> Do I have a bad TFI module... Not the problem; I removed the TFI
> >>>> module
> >>>> and confirmed all of the resistances are within specification.
> >>>> Checking TFI module for ground and signal... How?
> >>>> Do I have a bad MAF; unplugging the MAF... Didn't help: I unplugged
> >>>> the
> >>>> MAF and tried starting the car normally and with a lot of starter fluid
> >>>> down
> >>>> the throttle body. In both cases the car behaved just like it did when the
> >>>> MAF was plugged in.
> >>>> Do I have a bad MAF; swapping the MAF... I have not tried swapping
> >>>> MAF's.
> >>>> Extracting fault codes... When I tried to extract some fault codes
> >>>> from
> >>>> the ECM by following the directions fromwww.fordfuelinjection.com, my
> >>>> Check
> >>>> Engine light lit dimly, I heard the fuel pump start, I did not hear any
> >>>> electronic clicks and after 1.5 minutes, the fuel pump was still running.
> >>>> (I
> >>>> checked my STI-to-negative terminal connection and tried it again with the
> >>>> exact same results???
> >>>> Do I have bad fuel injectors... I have been told to pull a couple to
> >>>> see
> >>>> if they have fouled nozzle tips. This seems easy enough!
> >>>> The "NOID" test... I assume the two questions "Are the fuel injectors
> >>>> being pulsed?" and "Are the fuel injectors being triggered?" are asking
> >>>> the
> >>>> same thing. I have been told to put a set of "NOID" lights in place of
> >>>> the
> >>>> injectors on the wiring harness and make sure they flash. Do I have to
> >>>> check all eight fuel injectors?
> >>>> Do I have a bad fuel pressure regulator... I have done nothing with
> >>>> respect to the fuel pressure regulator.
> >> Everyone is pointing toward fuel problems, either delivery or
> >> electric control through the computer or at the injectors. I remember
> >> a big problem much like this that frustrated me to no end. Finally
> >> asked an "expert shade tree mechanic" who said, "Check the timing,
> >> it's the timing chain that's bad" Well, guess what..... Yup,
> >> broke a tooth on the sprocket and it was off enough not to fire but
> >> everything up top was working, just not at the right time.
>
> >> Just for "my piece of mind" if not for yours, put a timing light on
> >> it, that 30 seconds might save you a lot of trouble.
>
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>
> > John,
>
> > If my car won't start, how would I check the timing?
>
> I don't mean to be rude but if you don't know how to check the timing
> then you need to take the car to a garage and let them figure this out.
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Michael,

Can you check the timing on your car when it won't start???

You must be friggin' super-mechanic.

Joe

"Joe" > wrote in message
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> On Dec 9, 12:53 am, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>> Joe wrote:

>>
>> >> Just for "my piece of mind" if not for yours, put a timing light on
>> >> it, that 30 seconds might save you a lot of trouble.
>>
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>> > John,
>>
>> > If my car won't start, how would I check the timing?
>>
>> I don't mean to be rude but if you don't know how to check the timing
>> then you need to take the car to a garage and let them figure this out.
>> Right now you are just playing "whack a mole".- Hide quoted text -
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>
>
> Michael,
>
> Can you check the timing on your car when it won't start???
>
> You must be friggin' super-mechanic.
>
> Joe

You really need to take it to a real mechanic Joe.
Here I'll give you a clue, because you Joe, are obviously NOT even a friggin
half-assed-mechanic. If you were going to take that distributor out and
install a new distributor, HOW THE HELL would you set the initial ignition
timing before you started the engine?