Dodge Challenger: A Go For 2008.5!

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>>>>>> Joe, the Hurricane V8 is coming. The F150's market demands it.
>>>>>
>>>>> One can only hope. But there's nothing definite, so who really
>>>>> knows? Speaking of the truck side, Ford needs to get something
>>>>> happening quickly. This is where DC excelled - the Hemi runs
>>>>> everything from station wagons to trucks with no problems at all.
>>>>> And arguably, the Cummins TD pretty much rules the serious truck
>>>>> market.
>>>>
>>>> Rules? LMFAO Not on this planet,
>>>>
>>>> For 2005 Daimler Chrysler sold 95,171 Light trucks with diesel
>>>> engines For 2005 GM sold 115,578 Light trucks with diesel engines
>>>> For 2005 Ford sold 239,645 Light trucks with diesel engines
>>>
>>> Sales don't necessarily equal a better product. Possibly except for
>>> the new Duramax (which is made by Isuzu), the CTD is simply a better
>>> motor than other makers' offerings.
>>
>> So what indicator would you use to back up your unfounded statement
>> that "Cummins turbo diesels pretty much rules the serious truck
>> market"?
>>
>> I fairly sure you can't produce numbers to back that statement up for
>> class 3 trucks, certainly not class 4 or class 8. Just because you
>> and Jethro like em, doesn't make them a better engine, and even if
>> they were, they lose any edge because they reside behind the worst
>> transmission in the worst pickup on the market.
>
> The hp/torque numbers are out there - go look them up yourself. The CTD
> bests everything but the new Isuszu.

That changes every year. The Ford Powerstrokes, have more years of being on
top in the pickup power wars than Cummins does. The original statement
"Cummins turbo diesels pretty much rules the serious truck market"? can't
be substantiated in any tangible way. Ruling the market would indicate
Daimler Chryslers trucks have the largest "market" share, and that is far
from the truth.


>
>>>> GM moved the sales needle from less than 10% market share in newly
>>>> sold HD trucks in 1999 to over 30% market share by 2002 after it
>>>> replaced it's weak 6.5-liter diesel powerplant with the strong
>>>> 6.6-liter Duramax. Almost all of this market share increase came
>>>> from Dodge, the weakest player in the space with an
>>>> engine/transmission combo that just doesn't measure up to superior
>>>> Ford and GM diesel powertrains.
>>>>
>>>>
> http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/auto...sels/page1.htm
>>>> l
>>>
>>> Pretty funny, considering the same article mentions that Toyota is
>>> scrambling to put a Cummins in its Tundra.
>>
>> For the same reason Daimler Chrysler uses them, they wouldn't even
>> have a dog in the fight without Cummins.
>
> What's your point? The same holds true for the GM's Duramax which is a
> re-branded Isuzu.
>
>> Sadist thing is the Cummins
>
> Uh, the word is 'saddest'.
>
>> engine is the ONLY redeeming quality of their pickups.
>
> In your opinion.
>
>> The same
>> article mentions John Deere diesel engines? John Deere uses Yanmar
>> diesel engines from Japan.
>
> What's this got to do with the price of tea in China?
>
>> BTW if Ford didn't have an IRON CLAD lock
>> on the Navistar International engines, Toyota would try to get them
>> just as quickly for the same reason they would pursue the Cummins.
>
> In your opinion.
>
>> I'm sure they will ultimately make their own, and it will probably be
>> more powerful and fuel efficient than any of the competitors anyway.
>
> In your opinion.
>
>> The fact remains Daimler Chrysler pickups suck,
>
> In your opinion.
>
>> even with the Cummins
>> turbo diesels, they have been using Cummins engines since the early
>> 90's, if they were ever going to "rule the serious truck market" they
>> would have shown some signs of it by now...
>
> uh, ok. Whatever. LOL

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>>>>>>> Joe, the Hurricane V8 is coming. The F150's market demands it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One can only hope. But there's nothing definite, so who really
>>>>>> knows? Speaking of the truck side, Ford needs to get something
>>>>>> happening quickly. This is where DC excelled - the Hemi runs
>>>>>> everything from station wagons to trucks with no problems at all.
>>>>>> And arguably, the Cummins TD pretty much rules the serious truck
>>>>>> market.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rules? LMFAO Not on this planet,
>>>>>
>>>>> For 2005 Daimler Chrysler sold 95,171 Light trucks with diesel
>>>>> engines For 2005 GM sold 115,578 Light trucks with diesel engines
>>>>> For 2005 Ford sold 239,645 Light trucks with diesel engines
>>>>
>>>> Sales don't necessarily equal a better product. Possibly except
>>>> for the new Duramax (which is made by Isuzu), the CTD is simply a
>>>> better motor than other makers' offerings.
>>>
>>> So what indicator would you use to back up your unfounded statement
>>> that "Cummins turbo diesels pretty much rules the serious truck
>>> market"?
>>>
>>> I fairly sure you can't produce numbers to back that statement up
>>> for class 3 trucks, certainly not class 4 or class 8. Just because
>>> you and Jethro like em, doesn't make them a better engine, and even
>>> if they were, they lose any edge because they reside behind the
>>> worst transmission in the worst pickup on the market.
>>
>> The hp/torque numbers are out there - go look them up yourself. The
>> CTD bests everything but the new Isuszu.
>
> That changes every year.

Nonsense.

> The Ford Powerstrokes, have more years of
> being on top in the pickup power wars than Cummins does.

On top of what, the poop pile?

> The original
> statement "Cummins turbo diesels pretty much rules the serious truck
> market"? can't be substantiated in any tangible way. Ruling the
> market would indicate Daimler Chryslers trucks have the largest
> "market" share, and that is far from the truth.

You believe what you want to. Like I already said, whatever. You've
got nothing.


>>>>> GM moved the sales needle from less than 10% market share in newly
>>>>> sold HD trucks in 1999 to over 30% market share by 2002 after it
>>>>> replaced it's weak 6.5-liter diesel powerplant with the strong
>>>>> 6.6-liter Duramax. Almost all of this market share increase came
>>>>> from Dodge, the weakest player in the space with an
>>>>> engine/transmission combo that just doesn't measure up to superior
>>>>> Ford and GM diesel powertrains.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/auto...sels/page1.htm
>>>>> l
>>>>
>>>> Pretty funny, considering the same article mentions that Toyota is
>>>> scrambling to put a Cummins in its Tundra.
>>>
>>> For the same reason Daimler Chrysler uses them, they wouldn't even
>>> have a dog in the fight without Cummins.
>>
>> What's your point? The same holds true for the GM's Duramax which is
>> a re-branded Isuzu.
>>
>>> Sadist thing is the Cummins
>>
>> Uh, the word is 'saddest'.
>>
>>> engine is the ONLY redeeming quality of their pickups.
>>
>> In your opinion.
>>
>>> The same
>>> article mentions John Deere diesel engines? John Deere uses Yanmar
>>> diesel engines from Japan.
>>
>> What's this got to do with the price of tea in China?
>>
>>> BTW if Ford didn't have an IRON CLAD lock
>>> on the Navistar International engines, Toyota would try to get them
>>> just as quickly for the same reason they would pursue the Cummins.
>>
>> In your opinion.
>>
>>> I'm sure they will ultimately make their own, and it will probably
>>> be more powerful and fuel efficient than any of the competitors
>>> anyway.
>>
>> In your opinion.
>>
>>> The fact remains Daimler Chrysler pickups suck,
>>
>> In your opinion.
>>
>>> even with the Cummins
>>> turbo diesels, they have been using Cummins engines since the early
>>> 90's, if they were ever going to "rule the serious truck market"
>>> they would have shown some signs of it by now...
>>
>> uh, ok. Whatever. LOL
>
>
>

"Joe" > wrote in message
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> "My Names Nobody" > wrote in
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>>>> So what indicator would you use to back up your unfounded statement
>>>> that "Cummins turbo diesels pretty much rules the serious truck
>>>> market"?
>>>>
>>>> I fairly sure you can't produce numbers to back that statement up
>>>> for class 3 trucks, certainly not class 4 or class 8. Just because
>>>> you and Jethro like em, doesn't make them a better engine, and even
>>>> if they were, they lose any edge because they reside behind the
>>>> worst transmission in the worst pickup on the market.
>>>
>>> The hp/torque numbers are out there - go look them up yourself. The
>>> CTD bests everything but the new Isuszu.
>>
>> That changes every year.
>
> Nonsense.


Nonsense? Just because it ****es you off, doesn't make it nonsense.


>
>> The Ford Powerstrokes, have more years of
>> being on top in the pickup power wars than Cummins does.
>
> On top of what, the poop pile?

The same poop pile you are asserting Cummins pretty much rules...

>
>> The original
>> statement "Cummins turbo diesels pretty much rules the serious truck
>> market"? can't be substantiated in any tangible way. Ruling the
>> market would indicate Daimler Chryslers trucks have the largest
>> "market" share, and that is far from the truth.
>
> You believe what you want to. Like I already said, whatever. You've
> got nothing.
>
>

Except the truth, and the fact that the truth ****es you off.

You can't "RULE the Market" when you own less than 25% of the market. No
matter how you try to twist it. Period!
Ford OWNS over 50% of the diesel pickup market. While the Cummins powered
Daimler Chrysler trucks cannot even maintain 25% of the market.

Daimler Chrysler = 95,171 < 21.5%
GM = 115,578 > 25.5%
Ford = 239,645 > 53%

Everyone has the right to remain ignorant, carry on.

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> "Joe" > wrote in message
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>> "My Names Nobody" > wrote in
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>>>>> So what indicator would you use to back up your unfounded
>>>>> statement that "Cummins turbo diesels pretty much rules the
>>>>> serious truck market"?
>>>>>
>>>>> I fairly sure you can't produce numbers to back that statement up
>>>>> for class 3 trucks, certainly not class 4 or class 8. Just
>>>>> because you and Jethro like em, doesn't make them a better engine,
>>>>> and even if they were, they lose any edge because they reside
>>>>> behind the worst transmission in the worst pickup on the market.
>>>>
>>>> The hp/torque numbers are out there - go look them up yourself.
>>>> The CTD bests everything but the new Isuszu.
>>>
>>> That changes every year.
>>
>> Nonsense.
>
>
> Nonsense? Just because it ****es you off, doesn't make it nonsense.

Yes, nonsense. Your statement "That changes every year" is meaningless,
as it refers to absolutely nothing. So it is indeed nonsense.

BTW, where do you read ****ed off? Sounds like you're the one getting
po'd.

>>> The Ford Powerstrokes, have more years of
>>> being on top in the pickup power wars than Cummins does.
>>
>> On top of what, the poop pile?
>
> The same poop pile you are asserting Cummins pretty much rules...

Yeah, I thought you sounded all bothered. LOL!

>>> The original
>>> statement "Cummins turbo diesels pretty much rules the serious truck
>>> market"? can't be substantiated in any tangible way. Ruling the
>>> market would indicate Daimler Chryslers trucks have the largest
>>> "market" share, and that is far from the truth.
>>
>> You believe what you want to. Like I already said, whatever. You've
>> got nothing.
>>
>>
>
> Except the truth, and the fact that the truth ****es you off.

LOL!

> You can't "RULE the Market" when you own less than 25% of the market.
> No matter how you try to twist it. Period!

Everything you've written in this ridiculous thread has been twisted.

> Ford OWNS over 50% of the diesel pickup market. While the Cummins
> powered Daimler Chrysler trucks cannot even maintain 25% of the
> market.
>
> Daimler Chrysler = 95,171 < 21.5%
> GM = 115,578 > 25.5%
> Ford = 239,645 > 53%
>
> Everyone has the right to remain ignorant, carry on.

Right. Do, indeed.

What about the fake hood scoop? Fake scoops are sad.

Thanks,
Scott


wrote:
>
>> I don't like the Daytona with the flat black hood
>> and the big stripe,
>
> Speaking of which, the thing that hits my gag reflex
> is the Dodge trucks with that stripe and big rear wing.
> That has to be one of the ugliest/dumbest factory dress
> -up packages in history. And the sad thing is I see a
> bunch of trucks running around with that crap on them.
>
> Patrick
>

Yeah, they're bogus. Didn't Ford put one on a Mustang recently?


Scott Moseman > wrote in news:OlOdg.66125$CH2.19133
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>
> What about the fake hood scoop? Fake scoops are sad.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>
>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I don't like the Daytona with the flat black hood
> >> and the big stripe,
> >
> > Speaking of which, the thing that hits my gag reflex
> > is the Dodge trucks with that stripe and big rear wing.
> > That has to be one of the ugliest/dumbest factory dress
> > -up packages in history. And the sad thing is I see a
> > bunch of trucks running around with that crap on them.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
>