1999 Plymouth Voyager SE 3.3L:Wire Harness Battery Acid/Transmission Overhaul

Hi All : I would appreciate any and all answers or comment regarding my
issues

I've got a 1999Plymouth Voyager SE 3.3L, I initially took the van in
for a transmission problem...Tranny guy said I needed to rebuild tranny
because codes said some thing internal was wrong + it did not go into
reverse. So I said OK...but the thing is I had tranny rebuilt 2 year
prior and I only put less than 25K in miles since. While Tranny guy
yanks out Transmission he says that there is major acid damage to the
wire harness underneath the battery...He recommends me take it to his
electrical guy for more specific diagnosis...So tranny guy completes
his rebuild and says he puts 5 quarts of tranny fluid and does not
connect battery until his guy looks at van. What I do is have my
mobile electrical guy look at it cleans the outside of it and opens it
up....he says wires look fine no internal damage to all the connections
including the 2 wire harnesses and the other connectors going to the
transmission...he says everything looks like it should be for a van
this old. Wires look intact and pulling at the wire and pin show no
signs of wire corrotion are powdered wire. He shows me the harnesses
and connectors and they look like none of the acid has eaten away any
of the wires. It just looks as though the acid has dripped on the
outside of the harness...So the next thing I do is talk with the Tranny
guy...Tranny guy insists on having his electrical guy look at van and
says something about voiding the warranty he is giving me for tranny
job he did if his guy does not look at...so i'm between a rock and a
hard place....So I have the van towed to the Tranny guys electrical
shop and he looks at it...he says major damage to harness... and it
will need replacing....ouch....I don't know what to say or do...
But I hold of on fixing.


I've spent $1800 for this tranny rebuild, 2 years ago $2300 for tranny
rebuild. I'm expecting maybe another $1300 or $2000 for wire harness.
I know the dealers don't sell just the connectors but the whole
loom...so i'm looking at a very expensive fix.

If anyone could shed some light on how do identify if I need a new wire
harness or if it is even worth putting more money into the harness...Do
I junk the car or have the tranny guy top it off and I drive it home
with no warranty?

Can Tranny guy void his warranty because of "ugly wire harness"?

I'm ready to tell the guy to top it off and I drive it.

Thank you in advance for any advise or comments.

Nick

wrote:
> Hi All : I would appreciate any and all answers or comment regarding my
> issues
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance for any advise or comments.
>
> Nick

My first thought is that you are being taken like Grant took Richmond.

Without a shot.

Bob AZ

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Hi All : I would appreciate any and all answers or comment regarding my
> issues
>
> I've got a 1999Plymouth Voyager SE 3.3L, I initially took the van in
> for a transmission problem...Tranny guy said I needed to rebuild tranny
> because codes said some thing internal was wrong + it did not go into
> reverse.

If it won't go ito reverse then you have a stripped gear or some such.

> So I said OK...but the thing is I had tranny rebuilt 2 year
> prior and I only put less than 25K in miles since.

OK, so what happened is the previous rebuilder used cheapo Asian
parts instead of the good quality Mopar parts, the cheap Asian junk
wasn't up to snuff, and it broke.

> While Tranny guy
> yanks out Transmission he says that there is major acid damage to the
> wire harness underneath the battery...He recommends me take it to his
> electrical guy for more specific diagnosis...So tranny guy completes
> his rebuild and says he puts 5 quarts of tranny fluid and does not
> connect battery until his guy looks at van. What I do is have my
> mobile electrical guy look at it cleans the outside of it and opens it
> up....he says wires look fine no internal damage to all the connections
> including the 2 wire harnesses and the other connectors going to the
> transmission...he says everything looks like it should be for a van
> this old. Wires look intact and pulling at the wire and pin show no
> signs of wire corrotion are powdered wire. He shows me the harnesses
> and connectors and they look like none of the acid has eaten away any
> of the wires. It just looks as though the acid has dripped on the
> outside of the harness...So the next thing I do is talk with the Tranny
> guy...Tranny guy insists on having his electrical guy look at van and
> says something about voiding the warranty he is giving me for tranny
> job he did if his guy does not look at...so i'm between a rock and a
> hard place....So I have the van towed to the Tranny guys electrical
> shop and he looks at it...he says major damage to harness... and it
> will need replacing....ouch....I don't know what to say or do...
> But I hold of on fixing.
>
>
> I've spent $1800 for this tranny rebuild, 2 years ago $2300 for tranny
> rebuild. I'm expecting maybe another $1300 or $2000 for wire harness.
> I know the dealers don't sell just the connectors but the whole
> loom...so i'm looking at a very expensive fix.
>
> If anyone could shed some light on how do identify if I need a new wire
> harness or if it is even worth putting more money into the harness...Do
> I junk the car or have the tranny guy top it off and I drive it home
> with no warranty?
>

Here's what you do.

Call a local wrecking yard and get a harness quote from them. The tranny
guy is
talking about the wiring harness that is going from the selonoid pack to the
transmission computer. This is not a very long harness, it is true it has a
lot
of wires in it, though, but it really only has a big fat connector going
from
the transmission computer to a big fat connector going to the selonoid
pack plus a few other connectors on it. You probably do have a lot of
dripped down battery acid on it, but there is no reason that you need a
brand new harness, a clean one from a wrecker will work just as well.

If I were the tranny guy I would probably recommend the harness to be
replaced, because battery acid has a way of wicking all over the place.
Cleaning it off is not really a solution, because all it takes it more water
(rainwater or otherwise) to fall on the dried acid and it starts corroding
the connectors again To really clean it properly you would need to take
the harness off the car, unwrap the covering over the harness, immerse the
entire harness in water and baking soda mixture, slosh it around really
good,
rinse it really good, use a heatgun and dry it really good, then use contact
cleaner
to clean all contacts, and rewrap it with a fresh wrap.

It was your fault, frankly, for not maintaining your battery, it wasn't the
tranny guy's fault that acid got on the harness. And this trans proper
operation is
critical to having good solid electrical connectivity between the trans
computer
and the selonoid pack.

> Can Tranny guy void his warranty because of "ugly wire harness"?
>

Your kind of between a rock and a hard place here. Your mobile electrical
guy did confirm that you had acid on the harness, so if you decide to not
replace the harness, and something happens, then you would need a
sworn statement from the mobile wiring guy, and probably from some other
auto electrical shop, that the harness wasn't damaged by the battery acid
otherwise the tranny guy is going to try to get out of the warranty.

It is very likely of course that the tranny guy and his electrical guy are
going
to take your money and split it between themselves. I would under no
circumstances pay to have the tranny guy's electrical guy do the work.
Even if the tranny guy is completely on the level, and his electrical guy is
also
completely on the level, all your doing by letting them work on it is to
encourage an environment for this kind of sweetheart kickbacks.

Legally, you gain nothing by having the tranny guy's electrical guy
do the work UNLESS YOU PAY THE TRANNY GUY and he
subcontracts the work out to his electrical guy. Why - because a year
from now your tranny guy and his electrical guy could have a falling
out, and if a problem happens you could bring it to your tranny guy and
he could then claim the electrical guy botched the work.

If you pay the trannny guy then he is warrantying the entire job - not just
the transmission part of the job. If you pay his friend for the wiring job,
and
him for the transmission job, and a problem happens, then the two of them
could spend the next year sending you back and forth between them,
blaming the other for the problem.

> I'm ready to tell the guy to top it off and I drive it.
>

I would not leave it like this unless your willing to forgo a warranty -
which
is what it sounds like the tranny guy wants. Now, on the other hand, if
your
suspecting the tranny guy of being dishonest, then a warranty from a
dishonest
person is pretty worthless so nothing is lost by doing this.

What does your gut instinct tell you? I would suggest that if the tranny
guy
is being honest, that if you were to tell him your mobile electrical guy
could
have a wrecking yard harness swapped in there, that he would say fine, go
with it. If the tranny guy starts protesting over this, then tell the
tranny guy
that your only willing to go with his electrical guy if the tranny guy
warranties
the entire job - transmission plus electrical work - and you only pay the
tranny guy a set amount for the entire job and he pays his electrical guy
out
of that - and see what he says. If he
says he won't do it this way, then tell him that your not willing to be
caught
between 2 different vendors, and if he isn't going to warranty his work then
your going to go to the local district attorney and have a discussion about
fraud and false advertising. If he will do this, then get a quote and if
it's not
too much, then do it. $1200 is definitely too much.

I suspect, though, that your tranny guy won't agree to this. If he really
was interested in subbing the work out, he wouldn't have made you pay
for a tow. That right there is already a big warning sign.

Keep in mind that if you do pay the tranny guy and he subs the work to
his electrical guy, that his electrical guy will not know how much you
have paid to the tranny guy, and it sets up a condition where the tranny
guy gets more money if he can screw over his electrical guy (ie: get
his electrical guy to do the job for cheap then overbill you) rather than
a condition where both of them benefit by working together to screw
you over. Nothing then would prevent you from later on comparing notes
with the electrical guy to see if his tranny guy friend really did pass
along
everything he billed you. If you find a big discrepancy it might cause
problems between the electrical guy and the tranny guy and thus you would
have your revenge.

Ted