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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers in decades)
I haven't worked on speakers in decades.
<http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/04/speakers1.jpg> How do we debug a scratchy sound? We can isolate it with the balance to a single speaker. But is it the speaker? Or something else? If it's the speaker, where is a good place (other than the dealer) to get speakers to fit a car rear deck? Are they all standard sizes nowadays? Or is each unique? I'm helping the neighbor's kid refurbish a beat-up 2005 Camry where I helped her kid put in new speaker covers this weekend but the scratch sound persisted (we thought it might have been the crud or vibration from the crumbling melted-in covers). The scratchy sound persisted even with the newly replaced covers. <http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/04/speakers2.jpg> Any suggestion on how to debug the cause of the scratchiness? If it's the speakers themselves, are these things standard sizes nowadays? |
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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers in decades)
harry newton > wrote:
>I haven't worked on speakers in decades. ><http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/04/speakers1.jpg> > >How do we debug a scratchy sound? >We can isolate it with the balance to a single speaker. > >But is it the speaker? >Or something else? You can swap the speaker for the one from the other side. But "scratchy" sounds are apt to be rubbing voice coils which you can feel by pressing on the cone with your thumbs. >If it's the speaker, where is a good place (other than the dealer) to get >speakers to fit a car rear deck? Are they all standard sizes nowadays? Or >is each unique? There are several standard sizes. You can buy cheap replacement speakers from chain auto parts stores. You can buy the same speakers for half as much from Parts Express but then pay postage on them. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers in decades)
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:14:31 +0000 (UTC), harry
newton > wrote: >I haven't worked on speakers in decades. ><http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/04/speakers1.jpg> > >How do we debug a scratchy sound? >We can isolate it with the balance to a single speaker. Then it's the speaker. I'm assuming you used both the left-to-right balance and the front-to-rear fader so you were really listening to only one speaker at a time. If there is a problem in the left channel, it will be heard in both the front and rear speaker. > >But is it the speaker? Yes. >Or something else? No. >If it's the speaker, where is a good place (other than the dealer) to get The dealer is a terrible place. Do they even sell speakers? >speakers to fit a car rear deck? Are they all standard sizes nowadays? Or >is each unique? Crutchfield. Very reliable. Very helpful on the phone with real people. They're in Charlotte, Va. and I'm in Baltimore and I ordered something and I wasn't in a hurry but I got it the next day. I recommend them highly despite that they did make a mistake, like other vendors do, wrt the inputs on my 2005 Solara radio. This is the E7001 radio, but I don't think E7002 is any different. These are both Navigation radios that only hold one CD, and with some such radio, if you press the CD button twice, it goes to the CD deck, and it does have a jack for a CD deck (or satellite) and they sell devices that will use such a jack for USB/AUX input. Well that doesn't work on these radios, but they took my word for it, sent me a paid-mailing label, I sent it back as if it were new, dropped it off at a UPS place, and I got my refund the next day. I've also bought speakers from them more than once in the past. No one else has a better list of cars and their dimensions. You SHOULD NOT MESS with dash speakers. There was a recall on dashboards from that year and a couple others, on the Solara but I'm pretty sure on the Camry too, and some of them have deteriorated so bad they replaced the dash for free. My dash has a few hairline cracks, but when I tried to lift the 3 digital gauges above the center AC outlets, I put a tiny nick in the dash, behind the gauges. Plainly my dash, also a 2005, is softer than when it was made. (But I'm prettty sure it's nowhere near bad enough to get them to replace it for free, plus the recall has expired anyhow.) I had to go at the gauges from another direction and I did get them up, to reach the radio bolts and remove the radio (long enough to unplug that device above that didn't work. I had been able to plug it in from the bottom without removing the radio.) So there is a tiny nick there Since you refer to the deck, I assume this is really a Camry and not a Solara, which some people call a Camry Solara. And that it's a sedan and not a convertible, because the convertibles also have a woofer behind the rear seat. I don't think it's even mentioned in the owners manual or anywhere but the wiring diagram, but it's there. > >I'm helping the neighbor's kid refurbish a beat-up 2005 Camry where I >helped her kid put in new speaker covers this weekend but the scratch sound >persisted (we thought it might have been the crud or vibration from the >crumbling melted-in covers). For crud, I would have washed the covers in the dishwasher. It does a great job on things like this. > >The scratchy sound persisted even with the newly replaced covers. ><http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/04/speakers2.jpg> > >Any suggestion on how to debug the cause of the scratchiness? >If it's the speakers themselves, are these things standard sizes nowadays? Yes, but there are lots of sizes, especially when you consider depth. |
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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers in decades)
On Mon, 04 Dec 2017 11:35:37 -0500, micky >
wrote: >In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:14:31 +0000 (UTC), harry >newton > wrote: > >>I haven't worked on speakers in decades. >><http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/04/speakers1.jpg> >> >>How do we debug a scratchy sound? >>We can isolate it with the balance to a single speaker. > >Then it's the speaker. I'm assuming you used both the left-to-right >balance and the front-to-rear fader so you were really listening to only >one speaker at a time. If there is a problem in the left channel, it >will be heard in both the front and rear speaker. >> >>But is it the speaker? > >Yes. > >>Or something else? > >No. > >>If it's the speaker, where is a good place (other than the dealer) to get > >The dealer is a terrible place. Do they even sell speakers? ;; WEhy is it a terrible place"? -0 and of course they sell speakers. The right ones, that bolt in properly, even. Yes, they cost abit more than the ones that don't fit. > >>speakers to fit a car rear deck? Are they all standard sizes nowadays? Or >>is each unique? > >Crutchfield. Very reliable. Very helpful on the phone with real >people. They're in Charlotte, Va. and I'm in Baltimore and I ordered >something and I wasn't in a hurry but I got it the next day. They will likely have "universal" speakers and adapter brackets - which usually work OK - - - - - > >I recommend them highly despite that they did make a mistake, like other >vendors do, wrt the inputs on my 2005 Solara radio. This is the E7001 >radio, but I don't think E7002 is any different. These are both >Navigation radios that only hold one CD, and with some such radio, if >you press the CD button twice, it goes to the CD deck, and it does have >a jack for a CD deck (or satellite) and they sell devices that will use >such a jack for USB/AUX input. Well that doesn't work on these radios, >but they took my word for it, sent me a paid-mailing label, I sent it >back as if it were new, dropped it off at a UPS place, and I got my >refund the next day. > >I've also bought speakers from them more than once in the past. No one >else has a better list of cars and their dimensions. > >You SHOULD NOT MESS with dash speakers. There was a recall on >dashboards from that year and a couple others, on the Solara but I'm >pretty sure on the Camry too, and some of them have deteriorated so bad >they replaced the dash for free. My dash has a few hairline cracks, >but when I tried to lift the 3 digital gauges above the center AC >outlets, I put a tiny nick in the dash, behind the gauges. Plainly my >dash, also a 2005, is softer than when it was made. (But I'm prettty >sure it's nowhere near bad enough to get them to replace it for free, >plus the recall has expired anyhow.) I had to go at the gauges from >another direction and I did get them up, to reach the radio bolts and >remove the radio (long enough to unplug that device above that didn't >work. I had been able to plug it in from the bottom without removing >the radio.) So there is a tiny nick there > >Since you refer to the deck, I assume this is really a Camry and not a >Solara, which some people call a Camry Solara. And that it's a sedan >and not a convertible, because the convertibles also have a woofer >behind the rear seat. I don't think it's even mentioned in the owners >manual or anywhere but the wiring diagram, but it's there. >> >>I'm helping the neighbor's kid refurbish a beat-up 2005 Camry where I >>helped her kid put in new speaker covers this weekend but the scratch sound >>persisted (we thought it might have been the crud or vibration from the >>crumbling melted-in covers). > >For crud, I would have washed the covers in the dishwasher. It does a >great job on things like this. >> >>The scratchy sound persisted even with the newly replaced covers. >><http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/04/speakers2.jpg> >> >>Any suggestion on how to debug the cause of the scratchiness? >>If it's the speakers themselves, are these things standard sizes nowadays? > >Yes, but there are lots of sizes, especially when you consider depth. |
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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers in decades)
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 04 Dec 2017 14:45:35 -0500, Clare Snyder
> wrote: >On Mon, 04 Dec 2017 11:35:37 -0500, micky > >wrote: > >>In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:14:31 +0000 (UTC), harry >>newton > wrote: >> >>>I haven't worked on speakers in decades. >>><http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/04/speakers1.jpg> >>> >>>How do we debug a scratchy sound? >>>We can isolate it with the balance to a single speaker. >> >>Then it's the speaker. I'm assuming you used both the left-to-right >>balance and the front-to-rear fader so you were really listening to only >>one speaker at a time. If there is a problem in the left channel, it >>will be heard in both the front and rear speaker. >>>.... >> >>>If it's the speaker, where is a good place (other than the dealer) to get >> >>The dealer is a terrible place. Do they even sell speakers? ;; > > > WEhy is it a terrible place"? -0 and of course they sell speakers. AIUI, the dealers' speakers are no better than what they put in the car originally, but it's possible things have changed. Anyoone know? If they are no better than original, they are still useful when the original ones have been ruined somehow. >The right ones, that bolt in properly, even. Yes, they cost abit more >than the ones that don't fit. Who is talking about ones that don't fit? I've never bought a speaker from Crutchfield that didn't fit just as the original one did, except for one car. I knew from the specs printed in the catalog (before the web) that it was too deep, but I hoped magic would allow me to get it in there (or maybe I could pound out a dent in the outside of the door!). Indeed, it was just the depth they said it was, and so was the hole in my car and it didnt' fit. Hmm. I'm sure the dealer would have had speakers that fit, but I don't know that they would have been any better than what I had. >>>speakers to fit a car rear deck? Are they all standard sizes nowadays? Or >>>is each unique? >> >>Crutchfield. Very reliable. Very helpful on the phone with real >>people. They're in Charlotte, Va. and I'm in Baltimore and I ordered >>something and I wasn't in a hurry but I got it the next day. > > They will likely have "universal" speakers and adapter brackets - >which usually work OK - - - - - Have you dealt with Cructchfield. No speaker I ever bought from them used an adapter bracket, and none would be called universal. Of course a 6x9x2.8" speaker can univerally fit every car that accespts speakers of that size, but that doesn't make the speaker universal. I won't be replacing my current speakers. Solaras don't use speaker cover, except maybe on the dash. So to upgrade my speakers I'd have to, I think, take off my entire inside front door panel or my entire rear seat panel. After the fiasco of my last car, I'm not going to do that. They do sell radios that require a bracket, because the face is not the same exact shape as the original, or because one is changing from 2 or 1.5 DIN to 1 DIN, etc. But I don't think that's related. >> |
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On 12/04/2017 10:50 PM, micky wrote:
> AIUI, the dealers' speakers are no better than what they put in the car > originally, but it's possible things have changed. Anyoone know? If > they are no better than original, they are still useful when the > original ones have been ruined somehow. Short of a volume limiter, I don't believe you can protect a speaker from a teenager. |
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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers in decades)
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 04:20:59 -0500, Jack > wrote:
>Short of a volume limiter, I don't believe you can protect a speaker from a teenager. ....Slowly raises hand. I could shake the pictures on the walls at home. Once came up from the basement, after the stereo sound stopped. Dang. A speaker was on fire. I threw it out the front door, in the snow. |
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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers in decades)
replying to harry newton, Iggy wrote:
Nice work on the grills! Yeah, the scratchiness is from either a separated coil or torn cone, you'll need replacement...of both while the car is finally apart, what an "engineering" mess. Auto Parts stores, Junkyards and most anywhere pertinent online from Walmart to Crutchfield ( https://www.crutchfield.com/S-VDtdeTrOHie/ ). Crutchfield's a long time car audio site (who's now expanded) with very good customer service. They can help you replace or upgrade both rears, even saving you the measuring to tell you the size for the specific car. I prefer the polymer or plastic cone speakers, much richer sound. Manufacturer speakers are usually pretty good, so don't commit to cheapies without hearing them in the car first. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...s-1152165-.htm |
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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers in decades)
On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:14:31 +0000 (UTC), harry newton
> wrote: >I haven't worked on speakers in decades. ><http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/04/speakers1.jpg> > >How do we debug a scratchy sound? >We can isolate it with the balance to a single speaker. > >But is it the speaker? >Or something else? > >If it's the speaker, where is a good place (other than the dealer) to get >speakers to fit a car rear deck? Are they all standard sizes nowadays? Or >is each unique? > >I'm helping the neighbor's kid refurbish a beat-up 2005 Camry where I >helped her kid put in new speaker covers this weekend but the scratch sound >persisted (we thought it might have been the crud or vibration from the >crumbling melted-in covers). > >The scratchy sound persisted even with the newly replaced covers. ><http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/04/speakers2.jpg> > >Any suggestion on how to debug the cause of the scratchiness? >If it's the speakers themselves, are these things standard sizes nowadays? Not "standard size" - they are often even different from mdel to madel in a brand, or year to yrear in a model. Try scrapyard? Otherwise dealer is best bet. There are kits to put "standard" speakers in, but they are not terribly satisfactpry. O have installed non-OEM speakers by making adapter plates - basically not worth the hassle. |
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Where to get car rear-deck speakers (haven't bought speakers in decades)
He who is Clare Snyder said on Mon, 04 Dec 2017 14:39:10 -0500:
> Not "standard size" - they are often even different from mdel to > madel in a brand, or year to yrear in a model. Thanks for all the advice - I haven't touched speakers in decades! I like the ideas of: a. Testing with a separate speaker (if I can find one) b. Testing by jumping the wires (shouldn't be too hard). At this point, I'm trying to figure out what size fits. Here is a picture of the topside of the speaker when we replaced the grill: <http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/04/speaker5.jpg> Here is the bottom underside in the trunk: <http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/12/04/speaker6.jpg> The kid is at college so she only comes home to the neighbor sporadically so I'm just lining up my ducks now. Looking at the advice to call Crutchfield, they seem to be good and bad. They were very helpful. 1.844.298.3430 About $50 for two speakers. The problem is *every* speaker they have for the 2005 Camry doesn't fit. https://www.crutchfield.com/g_400/Al...p=105&l=E&pg=1 The guy was helpful and said I had to make my own bracket. Huh? Why can't it just bolt in? (I'm glad I asked because I didn't expect that.) Amazingly, they have 200 speakers they say that fit, of three sizes: 5-1/4, 6-1/2, and 6x9 (I didn't think to measure it unforutnately) I don't have the car in hand, but apparently there are three types: a. With navigation (she doesn't have it) b. With JBL audio system (I'll have to ask - probably not) c. Without both of those (this is probably what they have) I called the Toyota dealership and gave them the VIN where they told me their price was $298 for a single OEM Pioneer 6x9 speaker + about $30 tax, so, since I'll likely want to get a set, that would be $660 for the set. I just can't pay that. Even for a nice neighbor's kid. It's just too much. Since Camelback Toyota in Arizona usually has the best prices, I called them and they told me, from the VIN, that the radio is a "Fujitsu 10" and the speaker part number is 86160-AA450, they sell for half that price, at $300 for the set. https://partsfactory.camelbacktoyota...er-86160aa450/ It's back to Crutchfield I go! |
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