2010 Taurus SHO

On May 4, 1:00 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
> John S. wrote:
> > On May 1, 10:13 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
> >> habitoid wrote:
> >>> "Dick R." > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>> Looks like an interesting vehicle with a twin turbo V6
> >>>> cranking out 360HP, but a 4DR sedan isn't on our wish
> >>>> list. Still, I'd like to drive one!
> >>>> Dick
> >>> test drive time.
> >>> why go with turbos? seems like supercharger would be cheaper, more reliable
> >> I agree. A Roots or twin screw blower would have zero lag and generate
> >> very good low end torque. Plus they are stone cold reliable and much
> >> less expensive to repair, if needed.
>
> > Actually a properly sized turbo set up shouldn't really have any
> > lag... so with twins I would think there really wouldn't be any
> > noticeable lag.
> > I've driven some turbo'd 4.0L V6 Stangs and they are simply amazing...
> > and with no noticeable lag..
>
> From what I have seen with turbos, to reduce lag to very low levels
> there needs to be plenty of exhaust flow. The rub to this, IMO, is this
> means that you need a larger displacement engine and therefore it can be
> designed to deliver performance without the need for forced induction.
> The other way to reduce turbo lag is to use sequential turbos but that
> just seems too complicated. Turbos do deliver the power though and they
> take very little power doing it.
>
> A twin screw blower, and to a lesser extent Roots blower, will make any
> size engine feel like it has 2-3 times the torque/hp all the way from
> idle to redline. The blower and intercooler can be incorporated into
> the intake setup and are very compact. There is no plumbing necessary
> for air flow, oiling, cooling for bearings etc. just what is needed for
> heat dissipation part of the intercooler. Also, a twin screw will
> typically outlast the engine so they are very reliable.

I wonder if perhaps it had to do with "packaging"... twin screw
basically has to go on top of the motor, while you can get much more
creative with the placement of a turbo... Perhaps there simply wasn't
room on top? I haven't looked at the new Taurus... but I know some
one who will be getting a SHO later this year... i will have to check
it out!

"John S." > wrote in message
...
> On May 4, 1:00 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>> John S. wrote:
>> > On May 1, 10:13 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>> >> habitoid wrote:
>> >>> "Dick R." > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>>> Looks like an interesting vehicle with a twin turbo V6
>> >>>> cranking out 360HP, but a 4DR sedan isn't on our wish
>> >>>> list. Still, I'd like to drive one!
>> >>>> Dick
>> >>> test drive time.
>> >>> why go with turbos? seems like supercharger would be cheaper, more
>> >>> reliable
>> >> I agree. A Roots or twin screw blower would have zero lag and
>> >> generate
>> >> very good low end torque. Plus they are stone cold reliable and much
>> >> less expensive to repair, if needed.
>>
>> > Actually a properly sized turbo set up shouldn't really have any
>> > lag... so with twins I would think there really wouldn't be any
>> > noticeable lag.
>> > I've driven some turbo'd 4.0L V6 Stangs and they are simply amazing...
>> > and with no noticeable lag..
>>
>> From what I have seen with turbos, to reduce lag to very low levels
>> there needs to be plenty of exhaust flow. The rub to this, IMO, is this
>> means that you need a larger displacement engine and therefore it can be
>> designed to deliver performance without the need for forced induction.
>> The other way to reduce turbo lag is to use sequential turbos but that
>> just seems too complicated. Turbos do deliver the power though and they
>> take very little power doing it.
>>
>> A twin screw blower, and to a lesser extent Roots blower, will make any
>> size engine feel like it has 2-3 times the torque/hp all the way from
>> idle to redline. The blower and intercooler can be incorporated into
>> the intake setup and are very compact. There is no plumbing necessary
>> for air flow, oiling, cooling for bearings etc. just what is needed for
>> heat dissipation part of the intercooler. Also, a twin screw will
>> typically outlast the engine so they are very reliable.
>
> I wonder if perhaps it had to do with "packaging"... twin screw
> basically has to go on top of the motor, while you can get much more
> creative with the placement of a turbo... Perhaps there simply wasn't
> room on top? I haven't looked at the new Taurus... but I know some
> one who will be getting a SHO later this year... i will have to check
> it out!

Must weigh a LOT, cannot find the weight anywhere

bet this piggy is over 5,000 lbs

making that 350 HP twin turbo seem like 150 HP

John S. wrote:
> On May 4, 1:00 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>> John S. wrote:
>>> On May 1, 10:13 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>>>> habitoid wrote:
>>>>> "Dick R." > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Looks like an interesting vehicle with a twin turbo V6
>>>>>> cranking out 360HP, but a 4DR sedan isn't on our wish
>>>>>> list. Still, I'd like to drive one!
>>>>>> Dick
>>>>> test drive time.
>>>>> why go with turbos? seems like supercharger would be cheaper, more reliable
>>>> I agree. A Roots or twin screw blower would have zero lag and generate
>>>> very good low end torque. Plus they are stone cold reliable and much
>>>> less expensive to repair, if needed.
>>> Actually a properly sized turbo set up shouldn't really have any
>>> lag... so with twins I would think there really wouldn't be any
>>> noticeable lag.
>>> I've driven some turbo'd 4.0L V6 Stangs and they are simply amazing...
>>> and with no noticeable lag..
>> From what I have seen with turbos, to reduce lag to very low levels
>> there needs to be plenty of exhaust flow. The rub to this, IMO, is this
>> means that you need a larger displacement engine and therefore it can be
>> designed to deliver performance without the need for forced induction.
>> The other way to reduce turbo lag is to use sequential turbos but that
>> just seems too complicated. Turbos do deliver the power though and they
>> take very little power doing it.
>>
>> A twin screw blower, and to a lesser extent Roots blower, will make any
>> size engine feel like it has 2-3 times the torque/hp all the way from
>> idle to redline. The blower and intercooler can be incorporated into
>> the intake setup and are very compact. There is no plumbing necessary
>> for air flow, oiling, cooling for bearings etc. just what is needed for
>> heat dissipation part of the intercooler. Also, a twin screw will
>> typically outlast the engine so they are very reliable.
>
> I wonder if perhaps it had to do with "packaging"... twin screw
> basically has to go on top of the motor, while you can get much more
> creative with the placement of a turbo... Perhaps there simply wasn't
> room on top? I haven't looked at the new Taurus... but I know some
> one who will be getting a SHO later this year... i will have to check
> it out!

I assume that this Taurus, like earlier ones, has a transverse-mounted
V6. If so, is the turbo only on the front exhaust bank -- with
resulting asymmetric back-pressure? If the turbo is downstream of both
banks, then the plumbing must be really bent, eh? Has anybody seen
pictures of the underside, to see the exhaust setup?
--
Cheers, Bob

On May 4, 6:40 pm, Bob Willard > wrote:
> John S. wrote:
> > On May 4, 1:00 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
> >> John S. wrote:
> >>> On May 1, 10:13 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
> >>>> habitoid wrote:
> >>>>> "Dick R." > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>> Looks like an interesting vehicle with a twin turbo V6
> >>>>>> cranking out 360HP, but a 4DR sedan isn't on our wish
> >>>>>> list. Still, I'd like to drive one!
> >>>>>> Dick
> >>>>> test drive time.
> >>>>> why go with turbos? seems like supercharger would be cheaper, more reliable
> >>>> I agree. A Roots or twin screw blower would have zero lag and generate
> >>>> very good low end torque. Plus they are stone cold reliable and much
> >>>> less expensive to repair, if needed.
> >>> Actually a properly sized turbo set up shouldn't really have any
> >>> lag... so with twins I would think there really wouldn't be any
> >>> noticeable lag.
> >>> I've driven some turbo'd 4.0L V6 Stangs and they are simply amazing...
> >>> and with no noticeable lag..
> >> From what I have seen with turbos, to reduce lag to very low levels
> >> there needs to be plenty of exhaust flow. The rub to this, IMO, is this
> >> means that you need a larger displacement engine and therefore it can be
> >> designed to deliver performance without the need for forced induction.
> >> The other way to reduce turbo lag is to use sequential turbos but that
> >> just seems too complicated. Turbos do deliver the power though and they
> >> take very little power doing it.
>
> >> A twin screw blower, and to a lesser extent Roots blower, will make any
> >> size engine feel like it has 2-3 times the torque/hp all the way from
> >> idle to redline. The blower and intercooler can be incorporated into
> >> the intake setup and are very compact. There is no plumbing necessary
> >> for air flow, oiling, cooling for bearings etc. just what is needed for
> >> heat dissipation part of the intercooler. Also, a twin screw will
> >> typically outlast the engine so they are very reliable.
>
> > I wonder if perhaps it had to do with "packaging"... twin screw
> > basically has to go on top of the motor, while you can get much more
> > creative with the placement of a turbo... Perhaps there simply wasn't
> > room on top? I haven't looked at the new Taurus... but I know some
> > one who will be getting a SHO later this year... i will have to check
> > it out!
>
> I assume that this Taurus, like earlier ones, has a transverse-mounted
> V6. If so, is the turbo only on the front exhaust bank -- with
> resulting asymmetric back-pressure? If the turbo is downstream of both
> banks, then the plumbing must be really bent, eh? Has anybody seen
> pictures of the underside, to see the exhaust setup?
> --
> Cheers, Bob

Damn... they had one at Barber during the Mustang 45th event and I
didn't think to take a closer look...

found this... not sure if it helps...

http://image.trucktrend.com/f/156016...v-6-engine.jpg

"GILL" > wrote in message
...
> Dick R. wrote:
>> Looks like an interesting vehicle with a twin turbo V6
>> cranking out 360HP, but a 4DR sedan isn't on our wish
>> list. Still, I'd like to drive one!
>>
>> Dick
> How bout a 2011 Mustang with Ecoboost? Or a GT with the new Coyote motor?
>
> --
> Tropic Green Y2K Mustang GT
> W/bits & pieces
> http://tinyurl.com/2uqoat


Hope it is a newer SVO!

"habitoid" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dick R." > wrote in message
> ...
>> Looks like an interesting vehicle with a twin turbo V6
>> cranking out 360HP, but a 4DR sedan isn't on our wish
>> list. Still, I'd like to drive one!
>>
>> Dick
>
>
> test drive time.
>
>
> why go with turbos? seems like supercharger would be cheaper, more
> reliable

Not sure but food for thought. S/C takes hp to make hp. Also maybe it
interferes with the new fuel direct injection.

On May 4, 4:30 pm, "habitoid" > wrote:
> "John S." > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On May 4, 1:00 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
> >> John S. wrote:
> >> > On May 1, 10:13 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
> >> >> habitoid wrote:
> >> >>> "Dick R." > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >>>> Looks like an interesting vehicle with a twin turbo V6
> >> >>>> cranking out 360HP, but a 4DR sedan isn't on our wish
> >> >>>> list. Still, I'd like to drive one!
> >> >>>> Dick
> >> >>> test drive time.
> >> >>> why go with turbos? seems like supercharger would be cheaper, more
> >> >>> reliable
> >> >> I agree. A Roots or twin screw blower would have zero lag and
> >> >> generate
> >> >> very good low end torque. Plus they are stone cold reliable and much
> >> >> less expensive to repair, if needed.
>
> >> > Actually a properly sized turbo set up shouldn't really have any
> >> > lag... so with twins I would think there really wouldn't be any
> >> > noticeable lag.
> >> > I've driven some turbo'd 4.0L V6 Stangs and they are simply amazing...
> >> > and with no noticeable lag..
>
> >> From what I have seen with turbos, to reduce lag to very low levels
> >> there needs to be plenty of exhaust flow. The rub to this, IMO, is this
> >> means that you need a larger displacement engine and therefore it can be
> >> designed to deliver performance without the need for forced induction.
> >> The other way to reduce turbo lag is to use sequential turbos but that
> >> just seems too complicated. Turbos do deliver the power though and they
> >> take very little power doing it.
>
> >> A twin screw blower, and to a lesser extent Roots blower, will make any
> >> size engine feel like it has 2-3 times the torque/hp all the way from
> >> idle to redline. The blower and intercooler can be incorporated into
> >> the intake setup and are very compact. There is no plumbing necessary
> >> for air flow, oiling, cooling for bearings etc. just what is needed for
> >> heat dissipation part of the intercooler. Also, a twin screw will
> >> typically outlast the engine so they are very reliable.
>
> > I wonder if perhaps it had to do with "packaging"... twin screw
> > basically has to go on top of the motor, while you can get much more
> > creative with the placement of a turbo... Perhaps there simply wasn't
> > room on top? I haven't looked at the new Taurus... but I know some
> > one who will be getting a SHO later this year... i will have to check
> > it out!
>
> Must weigh a LOT, cannot find the weight anywhere
>
> bet this piggy is over 5,000 lbs
>
> making that 350 HP twin turbo seem like 150 HP

Motortrend has the 2010 Taurus listed at 3930 pounds:


http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2010/...ons/index.html

So I would think it would be well under 5000. Also has a 6 speed
which should help? (low first gear?). We just picked up a new Acadia
a couple months ago. 288HP in that big thing, (with a 6 speed) and
much to my surprise it actually moves a lot better than I would have
thought...

My question is just how far can you push an Eco Boost?

John S. wrote:
> On May 4, 1:00 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>> John S. wrote:
>>> On May 1, 10:13 pm, Michael Johnson > wrote:
>>>> habitoid wrote:
>>>>> "Dick R." > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Looks like an interesting vehicle with a twin turbo V6
>>>>>> cranking out 360HP, but a 4DR sedan isn't on our wish
>>>>>> list. Still, I'd like to drive one!
>>>>>> Dick
>>>>> test drive time.
>>>>> why go with turbos? seems like supercharger would be cheaper, more reliable
>>>> I agree. A Roots or twin screw blower would have zero lag and generate
>>>> very good low end torque. Plus they are stone cold reliable and much
>>>> less expensive to repair, if needed.
>>> Actually a properly sized turbo set up shouldn't really have any
>>> lag... so with twins I would think there really wouldn't be any
>>> noticeable lag.
>>> I've driven some turbo'd 4.0L V6 Stangs and they are simply amazing...
>>> and with no noticeable lag..
>> From what I have seen with turbos, to reduce lag to very low levels
>> there needs to be plenty of exhaust flow. The rub to this, IMO, is this
>> means that you need a larger displacement engine and therefore it can be
>> designed to deliver performance without the need for forced induction.
>> The other way to reduce turbo lag is to use sequential turbos but that
>> just seems too complicated. Turbos do deliver the power though and they
>> take very little power doing it.
>>
>> A twin screw blower, and to a lesser extent Roots blower, will make any
>> size engine feel like it has 2-3 times the torque/hp all the way from
>> idle to redline. The blower and intercooler can be incorporated into
>> the intake setup and are very compact. There is no plumbing necessary
>> for air flow, oiling, cooling for bearings etc. just what is needed for
>> heat dissipation part of the intercooler. Also, a twin screw will
>> typically outlast the engine so they are very reliable.
>
> I wonder if perhaps it had to do with "packaging"... twin screw
> basically has to go on top of the motor, while you can get much more
> creative with the placement of a turbo... Perhaps there simply wasn't
> room on top? I haven't looked at the new Taurus... but I know some
> one who will be getting a SHO later this year... i will have to check
> it out!

Going by the Mustang kits, I think they could fit them under a hood
fairly easily. Twin turbos take a lot of plumbing and add a lot of
complexity to manufacturing which in turn adds to cost. The up side of
turbos is they take almost no horsepower to make boost where a
supercharger does. I am glad that Ford is putting a good effort into
the Taurus because it is vital, IMO, that they have a top selling family
sedan.

NicholaD wrote:
>
> "GILL" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Dick R. wrote:
>>> Looks like an interesting vehicle with a twin turbo V6
>>> cranking out 360HP, but a 4DR sedan isn't on our wish
>>> list. Still, I'd like to drive one!
>>>
>>> Dick
>> How bout a 2011 Mustang with Ecoboost? Or a GT with the new Coyote motor?
>>
>> --
>> Tropic Green Y2K Mustang GT
>> W/bits & pieces
>> http://tinyurl.com/2uqoat
>
>
> Hope it is a newer SVO!
That would be interesting to see, and more fun to compete at auto-cross
races.

NicholaD wrote:
>
> "habitoid" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Dick R." > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Looks like an interesting vehicle with a twin turbo V6
>>> cranking out 360HP, but a 4DR sedan isn't on our wish
>>> list. Still, I'd like to drive one!
>>>
>>> Dick
>>
>>
>> test drive time.
>>
>>
>> why go with turbos? seems like supercharger would be cheaper, more
>> reliable
>
> Not sure but food for thought. S/C takes hp to make hp. Also maybe it
> interferes with the new fuel direct injection.
With a name like "EcoBoost" you gotta figure that has something to do
with it. Even the import crowd knows how to squeeze all they can from
such puny dimensions. Free boost combined with a reliable passive device
such as an intercooler mounted forward should attract plenty of young
hotrodders.