SAE Horsepower Standards To Change

"Big Al" > wrote in message
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>
> "351CJ" > wrote in message
> news:mDdIe.12662$Bx5.1381@trnddc09...
>> If you want the best trailer puller there is only one choice.
>>
>> The F-250, with the gas V-10 and towing a 10,800-pound trailer, was more
>> than two truck lengths ahead of the Chevy Silverado 2500 at the end of
>> the quarter-mile. The Dodge Ram 2500 Hem was more than five back.
>>
>
> Thanks for proving my point. A 10 cylinder Ford vs. a Hemi. Some fair
> test! How about an older 10 cylinder Dodge and a 5.4L Ford? Will a new 10
> cylinder Ford out pull a new 8.1L Chevy?
>
> Al

In 2005 the under powered Hemi is Dodges only Gas choice, if you don't like
the comparison, that is Dodges problem not mine. And yes the 2005 6.8 liter
3 valve per cylinder V-10 Ford makes more horsepower and torque than the
2005 8.1 liter V-8 Chevy.

Reading comprehension not your strong point, Joe?

The was no comparison of the Dodge Diesel against the Ford Gas engine. The
two comparisons were between the big 3's
1. gas engines
and then their
2. diesel engines

The 2005 Cummins will NOT eat the 2005 Power Stroke Ford Diesel for
breakfast! As a matter of fact, the only thing it does eat is the Fords
exhaust...

I've yet to find a Cummins that can out pull or out run my 2005 power stroke
diesel.
The Cummins is an outstanding industrial engine, but it has nothing
performance wise over Ford (International) and GM's (Isuzu) current pickup
diesel engine offerings. I'll gladly drag race you in your Cummins powered
pickup empty or pulling a trailer up a hill, with my 2005 Power Stroke
Diesel Ford, and set you straight on your nonsense versus reality confusion.

As for the so called new Hemi, as much as you might be caught up in the name
nostalgia, the fact remains the new small block "Hemi" is undersized and
under powered for the 3/4-ton/1-ton truck application, as is the 5.4 liter
Ford. It's not my fault the Germans currently running Daimler Chrysler
can't understand that they need a gas engine with more torque for this
application.



"Joe" > wrote in message
...
> Nonsense. When it comes to towing, the Cummins will eat the gas Ford
> for breakfast.
>
> And the guys dissing the Hemi apparently aren't doing their homework.
>
> Joe
> Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
> Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
>
>
> "351CJ" > wrote in news:mDdIe.12662$Bx5.1381@trnddc09:
>
>> If you want the best trailer puller there is only one choice.
>>
>> The F-250, with the gas V-10 and towing a 10,800-pound trailer, was
>> more than two truck lengths ahead of the Chevy Silverado 2500 at the
>> end of the quarter-mile. The Dodge Ram 2500 Hem was more than five
>> back.
>>
>> Similar results came when we ran the F-350 dually, powered by the
>> upgraded Power Stroke, against the Ram with the high-output Cummins
>> and the Duramax-powered GMC. The trucks were towing identical
>> 13,400-pound trailers.
>>
>> The Ford, although slow out of the gate, reigned in the Dodge and
>> Chevy within a few hundred yards. It continued to pull away through
>> the end of the ¼-mile, besting the Dodge Cummins by two truck
>> lengths and the Chevy by a good eight. The Ford Power Stroke and
>> five-speed automatic really shine once the load gets rolling.
>>
>> http://www.truckworld.com/Truck-Test...per_duty/05_f-
> supe
>> rduty.html
>>
>>
>>
>> "Big Al" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>I think it would be neat so see a real world test of the big three's
>>>trucks. All the tests I see are so bogus. Ever read the tests in a
>>>dirt bike magazine? We need them to test trucks
>>>
>>> Some guys out here had a bulldozer on a trailer and they timed a
>>> Powerstroke Ford, a Dodge and a FTR Isuzu all pulling it up a long
>>> hill. The Isuzu ran away with it. I think they are about 200
>>> horsepower. The Dodge beat the Ford, but not by much. This was a
>>> few years back. They couldn't find anyone willing to try with a
>>> Chevy. The only problem is this was no where near an accurate test
>>> of anything except these particular trucks. I'd like to see trucks
>>> with the same exact load in the bed, say 2,000 pounds, accelerate,
>>> stop and handle. Then add a heavy trailer and do some more testing.
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

"351CJ" > wrote in news:1zjIe.44790$S%5.23268@trnddc06:

> Reading comprehension not your strong point, Joe?

LOL! I'd talk if I were you, Bucky.

> The was no comparison of the Dodge Diesel against the Ford Gas
> engine. The two comparisons were between the big 3's
> 1. gas engines
> and then their
> 2. diesel engines

If you scroll down a bit, you'll see that my comment was about towing,
which was in response to the claim about the "best trailer puller
there is". After your brilliant comments, I know it's a stretch for
you to comprehend that, so no offense taken.

> The 2005 Cummins will NOT eat the 2005 Power Stroke Ford Diesel for
> breakfast! As a matter of fact, the only thing it does eat is the
> Fords exhaust...

Well, considering that I never compared the Cummins to the Power
Stroke, you might want to apply your first comment to yourself.

> I've yet to find a Cummins that can out pull or out run my 2005
> power stroke diesel.

Guess you didn't look beyond your back yard.

> The Cummins is an outstanding industrial engine, but it has nothing
> performance wise over Ford (International) and GM's (Isuzu) current
> pickup diesel engine offerings. I'll gladly drag race you in your
> Cummins powered pickup empty or pulling a trailer up a hill, with my
> 2005 Power Stroke Diesel Ford, and set you straight on your nonsense
> versus reality confusion.

Sorry, I'm not interested in drag racing you in the least. And I
don't have a Cummins-powered pickup. Where'd you get the idea I did?

> As for the so called new Hemi, as much as you might be caught up in
> the name nostalgia, the fact remains the new small block "Hemi" is
> undersized and under powered for the 3/4-ton/1-ton truck
> application, as is the 5.4 liter Ford. It's not my fault the
> Germans currently running Daimler Chrysler can't understand that
> they need a gas engine with more torque for this application.

The Hemi is a wonderful engine, and it's got both more horsepower and
torque than any gas Triton.

Now go back to your daydream, and have a nice day.


> "Joe" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Nonsense. When it comes to towing, the Cummins will eat the gas
>> Ford for breakfast.
>>
>> And the guys dissing the Hemi apparently aren't doing their
>> homework.
>>
>> Joe
>> Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
>> Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
>>
>>
>> "351CJ" > wrote in
>> news:mDdIe.12662$Bx5.1381@trnddc09:
>>
>>> If you want the best trailer puller there is only one choice.
>>>
>>> The F-250, with the gas V-10 and towing a 10,800-pound trailer,
>>> was more than two truck lengths ahead of the Chevy Silverado 2500
>>> at the end of the quarter-mile. The Dodge Ram 2500 Hem was more
>>> than five back.
>>>
>>> Similar results came when we ran the F-350 dually, powered by the
>>> upgraded Power Stroke, against the Ram with the high-output
>>> Cummins and the Duramax-powered GMC. The trucks were towing
>>> identical 13,400-pound trailers.
>>>
>>> The Ford, although slow out of the gate, reigned in the Dodge and
>>> Chevy within a few hundred yards. It continued to pull away
>>> through the end of the ¼-mile, besting the Dodge Cummins by two
>>> truck lengths and the Chevy by a good eight. The Ford Power Stroke
>>> and five-speed automatic really shine once the load gets rolling.
>>>
>>> http://www.truckworld.com/Truck-Test...per_duty/05_f-
>> supe
>>> rduty.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Big Al" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>I think it would be neat so see a real world test of the big
>>>>three's trucks. All the tests I see are so bogus. Ever read the
>>>>tests in a dirt bike magazine? We need them to test trucks
>>>>
>>>> Some guys out here had a bulldozer on a trailer and they timed a
>>>> Powerstroke Ford, a Dodge and a FTR Isuzu all pulling it up a
>>>> long hill. The Isuzu ran away with it. I think they are about 200
>>>> horsepower. The Dodge beat the Ford, but not by much. This was a
>>>> few years back. They couldn't find anyone willing to try with a
>>>> Chevy. The only problem is this was no where near an accurate
>>>> test of anything except these particular trucks. I'd like to see
>>>> trucks with the same exact load in the bed, say 2,000 pounds,
>>>> accelerate, stop and handle. Then add a heavy trailer and do some
>>>> more testing.
>>>>
>>>> Al
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

"351CJ" > wrote in newsEiIe.32954$Tk6.26487@trnddc02:

>
> "Big Al" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "351CJ" > wrote in message
>> news:mDdIe.12662$Bx5.1381@trnddc09...
>>> If you want the best trailer puller there is only one choice.
>>>
>>> The F-250, with the gas V-10 and towing a 10,800-pound trailer,
>>> was more than two truck lengths ahead of the Chevy Silverado 2500
>>> at the end of the quarter-mile. The Dodge Ram 2500 Hem was more
>>> than five back.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for proving my point. A 10 cylinder Ford vs. a Hemi. Some
>> fair test! How about an older 10 cylinder Dodge and a 5.4L Ford?
>> Will a new 10 cylinder Ford out pull a new 8.1L Chevy?
>>
>> Al
>
> In 2005 the under powered Hemi is Dodges only Gas choice, if you
> don't like the comparison, that is Dodges problem not mine. And yes
> the 2005 6.8 liter 3 valve per cylinder V-10 Ford makes more
> horsepower and torque than the 2005 8.1 liter V-8 Chevy.

If you want power and torque, pay attention:
http://www.dodge.com/srt-10/
Class dismissed.

As for towing, you've got to be joking if you're not talking diesels.

Joe
Calypso Green '93 Mustang LX hatch with a few goodies
Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC

Joe wrote:
> Nonsense. When it comes to towing, the Cummins will eat the gas Ford
> for breakfast.
>
> And the guys dissing the Hemi apparently aren't doing their homework.
>


Yeah, right. Here's some home work for you. Look and see if the new
Hemi is a *real* hemi. I know for a fact that my "305" HP V8 is faster
and stronger.


--

"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony...
clueless gets you committed..." - JG

Big Al wrote:
> "351CJ" > wrote in message
> news:mDdIe.12662$Bx5.1381@trnddc09...
>
>>If you want the best trailer puller there is only one choice.
>>
>>The F-250, with the gas V-10 and towing a 10,800-pound trailer, was more
>>than two truck lengths ahead of the Chevy Silverado 2500 at the end of the
>>quarter-mile. The Dodge Ram 2500 Hem was more than five back.
>>
>
>
> Thanks for proving my point. A 10 cylinder Ford vs. a Hemi. Some fair test!
> How about an older 10 cylinder Dodge and a 5.4L Ford? Will a new 10 cylinder
> Ford out pull a new 8.1L Chevy?
>
> Al
>

Careflu with that Chevy, you know, their frame is a little on the
fragile side compared to the real trucks... P


--

"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony...
clueless gets you committed..." - JG

"WindsorFox[SS]" > wrote in
news:NUyIe.615$ah4.267@lakeread05:

> Joe wrote:
>> Nonsense. When it comes to towing, the Cummins will eat the gas
>> Ford for breakfast.
>>
>> And the guys dissing the Hemi apparently aren't doing their
>> homework.
>>
>
>
> Yeah, right. Here's some home work for you. Look and see if the
> new
> Hemi is a *real* hemi. I know for a fact that my "305" HP V8 is
> faster and stronger.

WF, stop whining. It's annoying.

351CJ wrote:

> As for the so called new Hemi, as much as you might be caught up in the name
> nostalgia, the fact remains the new small block "Hemi" is undersized and
> under powered for the 3/4-ton/1-ton truck application, as is the 5.4 liter
> Ford. It's not my fault the Germans currently running Daimler Chrysler
> can't understand that they need a gas engine with more torque for this
> application.
>


Now, I don't know if I would go *that* far. Compare the current Hemi
to what was available in the past. from say the mid ot early 70's up
through the late 80's ot early 90's. All the major mfgs have a pretty
abundant amount of power and torque comparatively. After the last Dodge
truck with an available 383, 440 or 426 Wedge rolled off the line and
before the diesels got going, what were the power averages at that point??

--

"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony...
clueless gets you committed..." - JG

"Joe" > wrote in message
.. .
> "351CJ" > wrote in newsEiIe.32954$Tk6.26487@trnddc02:
>
>>
>> "Big Al" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "351CJ" > wrote in message
>>> news:mDdIe.12662$Bx5.1381@trnddc09...
>>>> If you want the best trailer puller there is only one choice.
>>>>
>>>> The F-250, with the gas V-10 and towing a 10,800-pound trailer,
>>>> was more than two truck lengths ahead of the Chevy Silverado 2500
>>>> at the end of the quarter-mile. The Dodge Ram 2500 Hem was more
>>>> than five back.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for proving my point. A 10 cylinder Ford vs. a Hemi. Some
>>> fair test! How about an older 10 cylinder Dodge and a 5.4L Ford?
>>> Will a new 10 cylinder Ford out pull a new 8.1L Chevy?
>>>
>>> Al
>>
>> In 2005 the under powered Hemi is Dodges only Gas choice, if you
>> don't like the comparison, that is Dodges problem not mine. And yes
>> the 2005 6.8 liter 3 valve per cylinder V-10 Ford makes more
>> horsepower and torque than the 2005 8.1 liter V-8 Chevy.
>
> If you want power and torque, pay attention:
> http://www.dodge.com/srt-10/
> Class dismissed.
>
> As for towing, you've got to be joking if you're not talking diesels.
>
> Joe

Joe,

Run down to the nearest Dodge dealer and look up the towing specs for the
SRT-10. Let us know what you find.

Al

"Big Al" > wrote in
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>
> "Joe" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> "351CJ" > wrote in
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>>
>>>
>>> "Big Al" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "351CJ" > wrote in message
>>>> news:mDdIe.12662$Bx5.1381@trnddc09...
>>>>> If you want the best trailer puller there is only one choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> The F-250, with the gas V-10 and towing a 10,800-pound trailer,
>>>>> was more than two truck lengths ahead of the Chevy Silverado
>>>>> 2500 at the end of the quarter-mile. The Dodge Ram 2500 Hem was
>>>>> more than five back.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for proving my point. A 10 cylinder Ford vs. a Hemi. Some
>>>> fair test! How about an older 10 cylinder Dodge and a 5.4L Ford?
>>>> Will a new 10 cylinder Ford out pull a new 8.1L Chevy?
>>>>
>>>> Al
>>>
>>> In 2005 the under powered Hemi is Dodges only Gas choice, if you
>>> don't like the comparison, that is Dodges problem not mine. And
>>> yes the 2005 6.8 liter 3 valve per cylinder V-10 Ford makes more
>>> horsepower and torque than the 2005 8.1 liter V-8 Chevy.
>>
>> If you want power and torque, pay attention:
>> http://www.dodge.com/srt-10/
>> Class dismissed.
>>
>> As for towing, you've got to be joking if you're not talking
>> diesels.
>>
>> Joe
>
> Joe,
>
> Run down to the nearest Dodge dealer and look up the towing specs
> for the SRT-10. Let us know what you find.
>
> Al

Al, please _read_ before responding.

Of course the SRT-10 isn't a tow vehicle, and I never claimed it was.
I mentioned the SRT-10 simply because its horsepower and torque run
rings around all the other trucks you guys have been touting.

And I'll repeat: You've got to be joking if you consider any serious
towing with a gas engine.