2006 Mustang GT wont break traction.

On Thu, 04 May 2006 15:30:05 GMT, "My Names Nobody" >
wrote:


>That is funny because of the 4 different 05 & 06 GT's I've tried this on,
>even during a torrential downpour, with standing/running water on the road,
>mashing the throttle to the floor while traction control is engaged you get
>nearly ZERO perceptible wheel spin before the traction control takes over
>and through a finely computer controlled balance of brake application and
>engine control, the car executes very effective traction control... If
>your traction control is NOT function correctly, you better take it in and
>have it repaired.

My experiences with my previous mustang, a 2002 V6 and with my current
mustang, a 2005 GT are exactly the opposite of your 4 different
attempts. If, in standing/running water I mashed the throttle to the
floor, I'd have spinning tires, rapid accelleration and fishtailing
going on with some real concern about the tail-end "outrunning" the
front-end. Mustang's "ain't" 4 wheel drives (talk to Kate about that,
she's had both) and they don't behave as you describe in any of my
real life experiences as an "owner/operator" of the mustang lineup.
>

WTF is this?!!!

HE SAID
quote:
This is with the traction control off.. It is really very
disappointing that with the traction control off, the car wont spin the
tires from a stand still on dry pavement.


"My Names Nobody" > wrote:

>
> No you have TRACTION CONTROL!!!
>


You posted how many messages about him having traction control and that
wont allow it... when he said he had it 'off'.

WE KNOW with Traction Cont on, it wont spin the tires!!!

BUT I believe John S had it right... and it's TORQUE control that
prevents it.

Is THAT what you meant? TWO associated but different things!


--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!

> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 04 May 2006 15:30:05 GMT, "My Names Nobody" >
> wrote:
>
>
> >That is funny because of the 4 different 05 & 06 GT's I've tried this on,
> >even during a torrential downpour, with standing/running water on the
road,
> >mashing the throttle to the floor while traction control is engaged you
get
> >nearly ZERO perceptible wheel spin before the traction control takes over
> >and through a finely computer controlled balance of brake application
and
> >engine control, the car executes very effective traction control... If
> >your traction control is NOT function correctly, you better take it in
and
> >have it repaired.
>
> My experiences with my previous mustang, a 2002 V6 and with my current
> mustang, a 2005 GT are exactly the opposite of your 4 different
> attempts. If, in standing/running water I mashed the throttle to the
> floor, I'd have spinning tires, rapid accelleration and fishtailing
> going on with some real concern about the tail-end "outrunning" the
> front-end. Mustang's "ain't" 4 wheel drives (talk to Kate about that,
> she's had both) and they don't behave as you describe in any of my
> real life experiences as an "owner/operator" of the mustang lineup.
> >

Ya know that when the indicator light is on.. the trac control is off....

--
Jafo
'02 GT Black
Not eggzackly stock.

On Fri, 05 May 2006 01:03:50 GMT, Backyard Mechanic
> wrote:

>WTF is this?!!!
>
>HE SAID
>quote:
>This is with the traction control off.. It is really very
>disappointing that with the traction control off, the car wont spin the
>tires from a stand still on dry pavement.
>
>
>"My Names Nobody" > wrote:
>
>>
>> No you have TRACTION CONTROL!!!
>>
>
>
>You posted how many messages about him having traction control and that
>wont allow it... when he said he had it 'off'.
>
>WE KNOW with Traction Cont on, it wont spin the tires!!!
>
>BUT I believe John S had it right... and it's TORQUE control that
>prevents it.
>
>Is THAT what you meant? TWO associated but different things!

I'm not sure what the heck he meant. He "attacked" me about the price
of tires when I posted a website which sells the OEM tires for $99.
He did the same when I simply reported that my personal experience
with my '05 GT is that it WILL spin the tires. He all but called me a
liar. When I asked where he based his experience, he called me
"pompous" and said that my experiences were "bull*hit" I can
substantiate my ownership of the first 05 GT in Alexandria, LA, and
my reports on this thread are valid, personal encounters with my
vehicle. To my knowledge, when I asked him upon what he bases his
experiences, this gentleman has not substantiated that he even owns or
operates a Mustang. I'd like to think he has some valid points, but
he keeps focusing on the operation of a traction control system which
is not the point of Erimikos' question. As such, he's about to become
a member of the "kill file" and his future contributions, valid,
entertaining or valuable will be lost to "posterity" for future
generations to discover <sigh>

On Thu, 4 May 2006 21:58:57 -0400, "Jafo" >
wrote:

> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 04 May 2006 15:30:05 GMT, "My Names Nobody" >

>> >
>
> Ya know that when the indicator light is on.. the trac control is off....


EXACTLY, Jafo... That's how my traction control switch operates.
When it's "ON" the light is off, when the traction control is "OFF"
the light is on... MOF, the light spells "OFF"

BTW, please don't get " confused with
" He ain't me. I own the '05 GT and my wheels spin.
I don't have any idea who he is....

Hmmmm Might be time to change my name just to keep the confusion
level down... I sure as heck don't want to be confused with this
gentleman !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Thu, 04 May 2006 15:46:25 GMT, "My Names Nobody" >
wrote:

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> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 04 May 2006 04:27:07 GMT, "My Names Nobody" >
>> wrote:
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> wrote in message
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>>>> On Wed, 03 May 2006 23:15:49 GMT, "My Names Nobody" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The new Mustang has TRACTION CONTROL, it won't even spin in the wet with
>>>>>it
>>>>>on..
>>>>>They **** and git with almost undetectable wheel spin, in the gravel, on
>>>>>wet, whatever surface, the traction control works very well...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> WOW they "really, REALLY changed the 2006 performance !!! My 2005
>>>> GT automatic spins tires, squeals, lets me pretend I'm a teenager
>>>> "wasting daddy's hard earned money all over again. Granted, it's not
>>>> the "tire smoking" you see on the Mustang commercials, but it will
>>>> break traction, the back end will get "away from you" if you aren't
>>>> careful. My advice, (that is unless FORD really, REALLY changed
>>>> things up between the current and recent past year models, is give it
>>>> a couple of thousand miles, then, romp on the accellerator and see
>>>> what happens... Of course, make sure it's fully warmed up and the
>>>> blue light special is in K-Mart, not beside you <G>
>>>
>>>
>>>Now turn your traction control back on! DOH!!!
>>
>> Don't be so "condesending" do you own a recent model GT? if so,
>> please tell me which one. Sounds to me like youre the "expert" but
>> what do you base your experiences on? Please advise.
>>>
>>
>
>Don't be so "pompous"! You are posting BULL****.
>
>If your traction control is NOT function correctly, you better take it in
>and have it repaired.
>

He's not posting bulls&*$. Not a 2006 GT but I have an 04 Mach 1
and I can easily spin the tires with the Traction Control ON.

It uses the differential speed of the front tires (using ABS sensor
input) to infer that the car is yawing when you break the back tires
loose. No differential speed (there is a trip point of some level)
detected, it means the car is straight and in control. Assuming you
start from a straight ahead position of course.
Go test drive another 06 GT and see what it does.

As quoted by Krusty, "WE KNOW with Traction Cont on, it wont spin the
tires!!!"

Wrong answer.......should read, "WE KNOW with Traction Cont on or off,
it better spin the tires!!!"

If not, return to your dealer!! Unless you are talking about the GT
wannabee V6.

That's the bottom line....no question.....I've driven several.....I own
one.....and have several friends driving them.
We all can smoke the tires in first gear - manual and automatic.

On Fri, 05 May 2006 08:47:54 -0400, Mrs Ken Ehrett >
wrote:

>
>He's not posting bulls&*$. Not a 2006 GT but I have an 04 Mach 1
>and I can easily spin the tires with the Traction Control ON.
>

I'm not real sure who this "expert" about mustangs is. He reported
that he "drove 4 of them" and he tells me that "my mustang is broken
because it squeals tires" and as an owner of multiple mustangs (now
thats a unique term), all of which have squealed tires, I can assure
you, as you've just done, that mustangs are designed to burn rubber
and make noise. It's inherent in the "species"

if Erimikos' mustang won't squeal tires, my "ownership" experience
tells me to advise him to seek warantee work because his mustang
doesn't squeal tires and that is a problem.

I know, I know, in this day of $3.00 a gallon gas, we ought to be
more "fuel efficient" but we also should eat less fat, stop smoking,
reduce our stress,,, they all are "nice' but squealing tires
sometimes helps do all those things )

On 5 May 2006 07:05:51 -0700, "HerkyJerky" > wrote:

>It uses the differential speed of the front tires (using ABS sensor
>input) to infer that the car is yawing when you break the back tires
>loose. No differential speed (there is a trip point of some level)
>detected, it means the car is straight and in control. Assuming you
>start from a straight ahead position of course.
>Go test drive another 06 GT and see what it does.

I think you've got it, HerkyJerky. That's exactly what it does, it
senses yaw and attempts to correct for it. It doesn't prevent
anything, just helps to control negative yaw situations.
Unfortunately it can't stop fishtailing, tire spin or "out of control"
situations. it only helps to reduce the potential for them.

If you "punch the accelerator" on a wet road, hold it to the floor,
the back end is going to start moving left or right and if you start
correcting for this, and overcorrect, you'll start having directional
control problems. if you aren't "super skilled in driving, and don't
let off the accelerator, you are going to be in trouble. Traction
control will NOT keep you from spinning tires nor will it keep you
going in a straight line. It helps but will NOT prevent a problem.
At least that's my experience in every vehicle I've had with the
feature. It helps, but you have to also have some "common sense" and
"drivability" (driving capability) to prevent a negative situation if
you're "STOOPID" behind the wheel. Traction control won't stop tire
spin and it's NOT the problem Erimikos is having. Probably, his GT
is functioning normally and he just hasn't yet really "punched it" so
he hasn't reached its potential. I'd advise him not to push it too
far until a few thousand miles is on the drivetrain, but after that,
if, when he gets down on it, if it won't break loose the rear tires,
he does need to take it back and tell the service manager it has no
balls. BUT,,, till it has a bit of time to "wear in" I'd suggest he
not dog it too much.