Help diagnose starting problem

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:40:36 -0600, Lawrence Glickman
> wrote:

>On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:28:04 GMT, Steve B. > wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:07:12 GMT, JFM >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I assume that all of these things, and the fuel pump, would prevent
>>>the starter from working at all?
>>>
>>>JFM
>
>I am the first to admit I don't know what is going on with this car.
>That said, you need 3 things to make it run
>fuel
>air
>ignition
>
Well actually before you get to any of those three things you need to
be able to get the engine to spin.

In this case his starter will not engage. No click... No buzz.. No
nothing. So it doesnt matter how much gas pressure or how hot the
spark is... if the starter wont spin the engine it isnt going to run.

Steve B.

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:49:07 GMT, Steve B. > wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:40:36 -0600, Lawrence Glickman
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:28:04 GMT, Steve B. > wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:07:12 GMT, JFM >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>I assume that all of these things, and the fuel pump, would prevent
>>>>the starter from working at all?
>>>>
>>>>JFM
>>
>>I am the first to admit I don't know what is going on with this car.
>>That said, you need 3 things to make it run
>>fuel
>>air
>>ignition
>>
>Well actually before you get to any of those three things you need to
>be able to get the engine to spin.
>
> In this case his starter will not engage. No click... No buzz.. No
>nothing. So it doesnt matter how much gas pressure or how hot the
>spark is... if the starter wont spin the engine it isnt going to run.
>
> Steve B.

If that is all it is, shouldn't take more than 30 minutes to narrow it
down, agreed?

Lg

"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:28:04 GMT, Steve B. > wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:07:12 GMT, JFM >
> >wrote:
> >
> >>I assume that all of these things, and the fuel pump, would prevent
> >>the starter from working at all?
> >>
> >>JFM
>
> I am the first to admit I don't know what is going on with this car.

A truthful answer..... Now to hide his other mistakes...

> That said, you need 3 things to make it run
> fuel
> air
> ignition
>
> so my idea was/is, what is your fuel system pressure under Load?
> It might be OK at idle, it might not be delivering enough at speed.
> Why not? Could be any number of things, including the fuel pump
> itself, or a clogged fuel filter.

NOPE

>
> The other idea I had was an electrical system that is borderline
> because of corrosion somewhere. Not a good ground, B+, or whatever
> combination thereof, starting with the battery and working out from
> there. Intermittent continuity is the idea.

Possible but unlikely. The engine was running fine and died. Now
nothing.

>
> Then again, I don't know this particular car/vehicle. These are all
> WAGs ( wild assed guesses ). Me, I would hook up my scanner and drive
> it around, checking the numbers for each system until I found
> something *funny.* But, OP doesn't -have- a scanner, so? So we're
> left with WAGs.

How are you going to hook a scanner up and drive around when the vehicle
WON"T START.


Notice this little part


"The other day they were driving along, and the engine just quit. While
they were still rolling, they put the trans in neutral and tried to
start it. The engine turned over but would not start.

When they came to a stop, they tried again to start it, and it
wouldn't do anything. When they turn the starter switch, nothing
happens. You can't even hear the solenoid clicking or the starter
trying to engage. No sound at all."



>
> Lg
>




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Bad Ignition switch, or Neutral switch.
Try holding the key in the start position and rocking the shifter a bit
around Neutral. Might just be a bit out of adjustment. But that wouldn't
have shut the engine down in the first place, The bad ignition switch
would.

--
Steve Williams

"JFM" > wrote in message
...
> My daughter and son-in-law have a 92 Olds Cutlass Cierra with the 3300
> V6 engine, auto trans, and a/c.
>
> The other day they were driving along, and the engine just quit. While
> they were still rolling, they put the trans in neutral and tried to
> start it. The engine turned over but would not start.
>
> When they came to a stop, they tried again to start it, and it
> wouldn't do anything. When they turn the starter switch, nothing
> happens. You can't even hear the solenoid clicking or the starter
> trying to engage. No sound at all.
>
> The battery is fully charged, and all of the guages, etc., and other
> electrical devices are working. I would appreciate any suggestions as
> to how to troubleshoot this.
>
> JFM




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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:45:46 -0500, "Steve W." > wrote:

>"Lawrence Glickman" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:28:04 GMT, Steve B. > wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 01:07:12 GMT, JFM >
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>I assume that all of these things, and the fuel pump, would prevent
>> >>the starter from working at all?
>> >>
>> >>JFM
>>
>> I am the first to admit I don't know what is going on with this car.
>
>A truthful answer..... Now to hide his other mistakes...
>
>> That said, you need 3 things to make it run
>> fuel
>> air
>> ignition
>>
>> so my idea was/is, what is your fuel system pressure under Load?
>> It might be OK at idle, it might not be delivering enough at speed.
>> Why not? Could be any number of things, including the fuel pump
>> itself, or a clogged fuel filter.
>
>NOPE
>
>>
>> The other idea I had was an electrical system that is borderline
>> because of corrosion somewhere. Not a good ground, B+, or whatever
>> combination thereof, starting with the battery and working out from
>> there. Intermittent continuity is the idea.
>
>Possible but unlikely. The engine was running fine and died. Now
>nothing.
>
>>
>> Then again, I don't know this particular car/vehicle. These are all
>> WAGs ( wild assed guesses ). Me, I would hook up my scanner and drive
>> it around, checking the numbers for each system until I found
>> something *funny.* But, OP doesn't -have- a scanner, so? So we're
>> left with WAGs.
>
>How are you going to hook a scanner up and drive around when the vehicle
>WON"T START.
>
>
>Notice this little part
>
>
>"The other day they were driving along, and the engine just quit. While
>they were still rolling, they put the trans in neutral and tried to
>start it. The engine turned over but would not start.
>
>When they came to a stop, they tried again to start it, and it
>wouldn't do anything. When they turn the starter switch, nothing
>happens. You can't even hear the solenoid clicking or the starter
>trying to engage. No sound at all."

Hook up a jump kit to your car, bypassing the vehicle battery, and see
what happens. How the hell are we supposed to know if your battery is
even working properly?

You've got the car, we don't even know what it looks like. How come
you aren't outside trying to run down the problem instead of farting
around with your keyboard, eh?

Hook the jump kit to the starter. Does it spin/engage the flywheel?
Yah? good. Rules that out.

I would pay $1 to see what your battery terminals and cable clamps
look like. I bet they're covered in crap. I bet your cable has
corroded right through inside the insulation where you can't see it.

$1

Lg