289 motor rebuild

I am rebuilding a 289 from my 65 fastback and I have a part I can not
remember what it is.
It seems to fit the crankshaft.
It is a thin metal round plate recessed and has a notch to fit the
crangshaft key. Seems to fit around the harmonic balancer. Does this
part go after the crank gear before the timing cover is on or with the
harmonic balancer?
I'm sure I will figure this out, but i wanted to see if anyone else
used this on their rebuild or know what its purpose is?
See picture.
[IMG]http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t161/mb_stangz/DSC08053.jpg[/
IMG]

On Apr 8, 5:44 pm, ".boB" > wrote:
> wrote:
> > I am rebuilding a 289 from my 65 fastback and I have a part I can not
> > remember what it is.
> > It seems to fit the crankshaft.
> > It is a thin metal round plate recessed and has a notch to fit the
> > crangshaft key. Seems to fit around the harmonic balancer. Does this
> > part go after the crank gear before the timing cover is on or with the
> > harmonic balancer?
> > I'm sure I will figure this out, but i wanted to see if anyone else
> > used this on their rebuild or know what its purpose is?
> > See picture.
> > [IMG]http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t161/mb_stangz/DSC08053.jpg[/
> > IMG]
>
> Commonly called an "Oil Slinger". Helps to keep
> oil off the damper seal, and prevent leaks. New
> engines don't have it. Most people trash theirs during
> a rebuild.
>
> You could probably get one at the dealer.
>
> The trick to preventing a leak there is to install
> the front cover so it's square to the crank snout and
> not the block.
> Install the gaskets, and the bolts hand tight.
> Slid the damper on so the hub just barely enters the
> seal. Move thr front cover around until you have even
> seal compression around the circumfrence.
>
> --
> .boB
> 2006 FXDI hot rod
> 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
> 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
> 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.

Awesome, Thanks for your answer! Like to see that 65 Cobra....

On Apr 8, 4:57 pm, wrote:
> On Apr 8, 5:44 pm, ".boB" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > > I am rebuilding a 289 from my 65 fastback and I have a part I can not
> > > remember what it is.
> > > It seems to fit the crankshaft.
> > > It is a thin metal round plate recessed and has a notch to fit the
> > > crangshaft key. Seems to fit around the harmonic balancer. Does this
> > > part go after the crank gear before the timing cover is on or with the
> > > harmonic balancer?
> > > I'm sure I will figure this out, but i wanted to see if anyone else
> > > used this on their rebuild or know what its purpose is?
> > > See picture.
> > > [IMG]http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t161/mb_stangz/DSC08053.jpg[/
> > > IMG]
>
> > Commonly called an "Oil Slinger". Helps to keep
> > oil off the damper seal, and prevent leaks. New
> > engines don't have it. Most people trash theirs during
> > a rebuild.
>
> > You could probably get one at the dealer.
>
> > The trick to preventing a leak there is to install
> > the front cover so it's square to the crank snout and
> > not the block.
> > Install the gaskets, and the bolts hand tight.
> > Slid the damper on so the hub just barely enters the
> > seal. Move thr front cover around until you have even
> > seal compression around the circumfrence.
>
> > --
> > .boB
> > 2006 FXDI hot rod
> > 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
> > 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
> > 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.
>
> Awesome, Thanks for your answer! Like to see that 65 Cobra....

..boB,
I have another question. I just opened my head gaskets and they both
are exactly the same and they both have "front" labeled on them. In
order for them both to face the front on each side of the motor, I
would have to flip one (which isn't good). also is it normal to block
the front water passages on these gaskets? Do rebuilders drill extra
water passage holes in the gasket to fit the the heads and motor to
match?
-mb

pictures of head gasket-
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...z/DSC08099.jpg
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t161/mb_stangz/

wrote:
> I am rebuilding a 289 from my 65 fastback and I have a part I can not
> remember what it is.
> It seems to fit the crankshaft.
> It is a thin metal round plate recessed and has a notch to fit the
> crangshaft key. Seems to fit around the harmonic balancer. Does this
> part go after the crank gear before the timing cover is on or with the
> harmonic balancer?
> I'm sure I will figure this out, but i wanted to see if anyone else
> used this on their rebuild or know what its purpose is?
> See picture.
> [IMG]http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t161/mb_stangz/DSC08053.jpg[/
> IMG]
>

Commonly called an "Oil Slinger". Helps to keep
oil off the damper seal, and prevent leaks. New
engines don't have it. Most people trash theirs during
a rebuild.

You could probably get one at the dealer.

The trick to preventing a leak there is to install
the front cover so it's square to the crank snout and
not the block.
Install the gaskets, and the bolts hand tight.
Slid the damper on so the hub just barely enters the
seal. Move thr front cover around until you have even
seal compression around the circumfrence.

--
..boB
2006 FXDI hot rod
2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.

The word "front" needs to go to the front.... because of coolant flow
through the block and heads.... The gaskets are installed unaltered.

Once you get the heads bolted on... look for the identifier tabs... these
are a tab on the gasket that protrudes from between head and block.... These
tabs were used during assembly line inspection to ensure correct gasket
placement and will both be sticking out of (IIRC) the front....

wrote:
>
>>Awesome, Thanks for your answer! Like to see that 65 Cobra....
>
>
> .boB,
> I have another question. I just opened my head gaskets and they both
> are exactly the same and they both have "front" labeled on them. In
> order for them both to face the front on each side of the motor, I
> would have to flip one (which isn't good). also is it normal to block
> the front water passages on these gaskets? Do rebuilders drill extra
> water passage holes in the gasket to fit the the heads and motor to
> match?
> -mb


Yes, that's exactly how they go on. Both gaskets
are exactly the same, just like both heads are exactly
the same. On one side the word "front" will be facing
up, and on the other side it will be facing down.
Some of the water holes are blocked to direct the
water in the right direction - back to front
The small holes are called steam holes. They don't
really relieve steam, as there shouldn't be any if the
system is operating correctly. They are there to
relieve any imbalance and keep the water flowing in the
right direction.

Here are some pictures of my car:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...4captioned.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...rt003small.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...Racetrack3.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...n/IMG_0206.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...n/RainStop.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...n/IMG_0502.jpg

Factory Five Racing kit, 427W, Dart Windsor Sr
heads, custom Ed curtis roller cam, Momar EFI 8 stack
system, Tremec TKO, 8.8 IRS with 3.55 gears and Detroit
TruTrak.
It's pretty fast. I was running about 1:45 at
Pueblo Motorsports Park last month. Then I spun a rod
bearing.
Going to La Junta raceway next week end, we'll see
how it does.


--
..boB
2006 FXDI hot rod
2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.

On Apr 8, 7:53 pm, ".boB" > wrote:
> Jim Warman wrote:
> > Once you get the heads bolted on... look for the identifier tabs... these
> > are a tab on the gasket that protrudes from between head and block.... These
> > tabs were used during assembly line inspection to ensure correct gasket
> > placement and will both be sticking out of (IIRC) the front....
>
> Not all head gaskets have this.
>
> --
> .boB
> 2006 FXDI hot rod
> 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
> 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
> 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.

Factory Five kits are cool! ... one of these days....

Jim Warman wrote:

> Once you get the heads bolted on... look for the identifier tabs... these
> are a tab on the gasket that protrudes from between head and block.... These
> tabs were used during assembly line inspection to ensure correct gasket
> placement and will both be sticking out of (IIRC) the front....
>
>
Not all head gaskets have this.

--
..boB
2006 FXDI hot rod
2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.

".boB" > wrote in message
m...
> wrote:
>>
>>>Awesome, Thanks for your answer! Like to see that 65 Cobra....
>>
>>
>> .boB,
>> I have another question. I just opened my head gaskets and they both
>> are exactly the same and they both have "front" labeled on them. In
>> order for them both to face the front on each side of the motor, I
>> would have to flip one (which isn't good). also is it normal to block
>> the front water passages on these gaskets? Do rebuilders drill extra
>> water passage holes in the gasket to fit the the heads and motor to
>> match?
>> -mb
>
>
> Yes, that's exactly how they go on. Both gaskets are exactly the same,
> just like both heads are exactly the same. On one side the word "front"
> will be facing up, and on the other side it will be facing down.
> Some of the water holes are blocked to direct the water in the right
> direction - back to front
> The small holes are called steam holes. They don't really relieve
> steam, as there shouldn't be any if the system is operating correctly.
> They are there to relieve any imbalance and keep the water flowing in the
> right direction.
>
> Here are some pictures of my car:
>
> http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...4captioned.jpg
> http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...rt003small.jpg
> http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...Racetrack3.jpg
> http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...n/IMG_0206.jpg
> http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...n/RainStop.jpg
> http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...n/IMG_0502.jpg
>
> Factory Five Racing kit, 427W, Dart Windsor Sr heads, custom Ed curtis
> roller cam, Momar EFI 8 stack system, Tremec TKO, 8.8 IRS with 3.55 gears
> and Detroit TruTrak.
> It's pretty fast. I was running about 1:45 at Pueblo Motorsports Park
> last month. Then I spun a rod bearing.
> Going to La Junta raceway next week end, we'll see how it does.
>
>
> --
> .boB
> 2006 FXDI hot rod
> 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
> 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
> 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.
>pre change level 7 motors I.a. 65 289 had a slightly different water
>passage. Your motor with the oil slinger must be an early 65 build. The
>gaskets you have are probably the standard 289-302 gaskets. Your parts
>dealer should have a listing for early "289" gaskets.

On Apr 8, 7:15 pm, wrote:
> On Apr 8, 7:53 pm, ".boB" > wrote:
>
> > Jim Warman wrote:
> > > Once you get the heads bolted on... look for the identifier tabs... these
> > > are a tab on the gasket that protrudes from between head and block.... These
> > > tabs were used during assembly line inspection to ensure correct gasket
> > > placement and will both be sticking out of (IIRC) the front....
>
> > Not all head gaskets have this.
>
> > --
> > .boB
> > 2006 FXDI hot rod
> > 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
> > 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
> > 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.
>
> Factory Five kits are cool! ... one of these days....

Thanks for the comments. I'm using 289 block/crank with the D0OE
heads. I need to figure out the compression ratio. I did research on
the D0OE heads and mine have 69 302 D0OE on them (see pic from
previous e-mail), but everywhere I research the "D0OE" heads are
always referred as 351 heads its hard to find specs.Here a link for
that data. http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...adcastings.jpg
Know much about this?
thanks
..Mike