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Trespassing in neighbor's driveway
sinister wrote:
> Because of the layout of our street, I often turn my car around using > the neighbor's driveway. Trespassing. > > The neighbor apparently isn't happy with this. Instead of politely > expressing her desire I not use her driveway to turn my car around, he > behaved in an extremely uncivil fashion. You are trespassing. > > Which raises the following question: does a homeowner have a right > not to allow you to pull into their driveway with the purpose of > turning around? Just how pig-ignorant are you? > > In my case, I'm using very little of her driveway to do so. (Meaning > the front of my car never gets past the sidewalk in front of the > property.) What part of Trespassing don't you comprehend? > > TIA |
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Trespassing in neighbor's driveway
"¥ UltraMan ¥" > wrote in message ... > sinister wrote: >> Because of the layout of our street, I often turn my car around >> using >> the neighbor's driveway. > > Trespassing. > >> >> The neighbor apparently isn't happy with this. Instead of politely >> expressing her desire I not use her driveway to turn my car around, >> he >> behaved in an extremely uncivil fashion. > > You are trespassing. > > >> >> Which raises the following question: does a homeowner have a right >> not to allow you to pull into their driveway with the purpose of >> turning around? > > Just how pig-ignorant are you? > >> >> In my case, I'm using very little of her driveway to do so. >> (Meaning >> the front of my car never gets past the sidewalk in front of the >> property.) > > What part of Trespassing don't you comprehend? > >> >> TIA It might depend on how far into the driveway you pull. For my old house, my property line was inside the edge of the sidewalk. The city's right of way therefore extended at least four feet from the edge of the street. The state claims either a 30 or a 40 foot right of way from the centerline of all the county roads. This puts the edge of the state's right as much as 10 feet into some of my fields (depending on the road layout). I am not sure I can call someone using the claimed right of way a trespasser. I think this is a case where you'd need to consult the property maps and check the state right of way rules before you start shooting. I'd guess as long as you don't go past the line formed by the telephone poles or boxes, you are likely still on the city/state right of way. A sub-division map would be your best way of checking. Ed |
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Trespassing in neighbor's driveway
C. E. White wrote:
> "¥ UltraMan ¥" > wrote in message > ... >> sinister wrote: >>> Because of the layout of our street, I often turn my car around >>> using >>> the neighbor's driveway. >> >> Trespassing. >> >>> >>> The neighbor apparently isn't happy with this. Instead of politely >>> expressing her desire I not use her driveway to turn my car around, >>> he >>> behaved in an extremely uncivil fashion. >> >> You are trespassing. >> >> >>> >>> Which raises the following question: does a homeowner have a right >>> not to allow you to pull into their driveway with the purpose of >>> turning around? >> >> Just how pig-ignorant are you? >> >>> >>> In my case, I'm using very little of her driveway to do so. >>> (Meaning >>> the front of my car never gets past the sidewalk in front of the >>> property.) >> >> What part of Trespassing don't you comprehend? >> >>> >>> TIA > > It might depend on how far into the driveway you pull. For my old > house, my property line was inside the edge of the sidewalk. The > city's right of way therefore extended at least four feet from the > edge of the street. Nope. If as you claim your "property line" ended at the inside edge of the sidewalk, then the rest of the property was *owned* by the city, and not an "easement" as you erroneously assert. If that driveway entrance and sidewalk was an easement to the city, they YOU were/are the owner, and as such are responsible financially for repairs/damage to that property. >The state claims either a 30 or a 40 foot right of > way from the centerline of all the county roads. This puts the edge of > the state's right as much as 10 feet into some of my fields (depending > on the road layout). Yep. > I am not sure I can call someone using the > claimed right of way a trespasser. If they are causing damage to it, you can hold them liable, as you are liable financially when the city demands that you repair the sidewalks/driveways inside that easement. > I think this is a case where you'd > need to consult the property maps and check the state right of way > rules before you start shooting. I'd guess as long as you don't go > past the line formed by the telephone poles or boxes, you are likely > still on the city/state right of way Bull****. Unless he is a Phone Co employee, he has no right to the Phone Company's easement on your property. >. A sub-division map would be your best way of checking. Or just stop using the neighbors driveway, eh? > > Ed |
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Trespassing in neighbor's driveway
"C. E. White" > wrote in message news:46366567$1@kcnews01... > > "¥ UltraMan ¥" > wrote in message > ... >> sinister wrote: >>> Because of the layout of our street, I often turn my car around using >>> the neighbor's driveway. >> >> Trespassing. >> >>> >>> The neighbor apparently isn't happy with this. Instead of politely >>> expressing her desire I not use her driveway to turn my car around, he >>> behaved in an extremely uncivil fashion. >> >> You are trespassing. >> >> >>> >>> Which raises the following question: does a homeowner have a right >>> not to allow you to pull into their driveway with the purpose of >>> turning around? >> >> Just how pig-ignorant are you? >> >>> >>> In my case, I'm using very little of her driveway to do so. (Meaning >>> the front of my car never gets past the sidewalk in front of the >>> property.) >> >> What part of Trespassing don't you comprehend? >> >>> >>> TIA > > It might depend on how far into the driveway you pull. For my old house, > my property line was inside the edge of the sidewalk. The city's right of > way therefore extended at least four feet from the edge of the street. Good point. Where I live, if there was a sidewalk, the closest edge of it would be at least 10 feet from my property line. I suspect that the neighbor is getting upset about someone using public property to turn around in. -Dave |
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Trespassing in neighbor's driveway
"C. E. White" > wrote in message news:46366567$1@kcnews01... > > "¥ UltraMan ¥" > wrote in message > ... >> sinister wrote: >>> Because of the layout of our street, I often turn my car around using >>> the neighbor's driveway. >> >> Trespassing. >> >>> >>> The neighbor apparently isn't happy with this. Instead of politely >>> expressing her desire I not use her driveway to turn my car around, he >>> behaved in an extremely uncivil fashion. >> >> You are trespassing. >> >> >>> >>> Which raises the following question: does a homeowner have a right >>> not to allow you to pull into their driveway with the purpose of >>> turning around? >> >> Just how pig-ignorant are you? >> >>> >>> In my case, I'm using very little of her driveway to do so. (Meaning >>> the front of my car never gets past the sidewalk in front of the >>> property.) >> >> What part of Trespassing don't you comprehend? >> >>> >>> TIA > > It might depend on how far into the driveway you pull. For my old house, > my property line was inside the edge of the sidewalk. The city's right of > way therefore extended at least four feet from the edge of the street. The > state claims either a 30 or a 40 foot right of way from the centerline of > all the county roads. This puts the edge of the state's right as much as > 10 feet into some of my fields (depending on the road layout). I am not > sure I can call someone using the claimed right of way a trespasser. I > think this is a case where you'd need to consult the property maps and > check the state right of way rules before you start shooting. I'd guess as > long as you don't go past the line formed by the telephone poles or boxes, > you are likely still on the city/state right of way. A sub-division map > would be your best way of checking. Thanks for the informative reply. Cheers. > Ed > > > |
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Trespassing in neighbor's driveway
> Which raises the following question: does a homeowner have a right not to
allow you to pull into their driveway with the purpose of turning around? It's interesting how people seem to think they are somehow entitled to other people's property. I recently had some issues with neighbors thinking they could park in my driveway at will to make access to their cars more convient, even if this made access to our cars on our land next to impossible. The problem has since been handled, but the responses I got during the episode were amazing. > The state claims either a 30 or a 40 foot right of way from the centerline of all the county roads My living room is within 30 feet of the center of the road I live on. Rest assured, that *is* my property and trespassers will be handled accordingly. Also, if you continue to agitate your neighbor by entering their property after notice not to do so, they're likely to return the love. What will you do when you run over the nails they just happened to drop in the driveway? It's their land, they have no requirement to keep their driveway up to your standards. I'd suggest that by continuing to trespass on private land you've been told to stay off you are going to escalate an unnecessary situation. I'd recommend staying off of this persons land. I'd also be willing to wager that you have no legal right do drive on their private property, putting you in a situation where you run the risk of not only creating a larger battle where said battle need not be but one that you'll lose as well. If nothing else, it's certainly not neighborly to disregard your neighbor's wishes about trespassing on their land. By any chance, is one of the parties in question renting while the other is a homeowner? |
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Trespassing in neighbor's driveway
"¥ UltraMan ¥" > wrote in message ... > C. E. White wrote: >> "¥ UltraMan ¥" > wrote in message >> ... >> It might depend on how far into the driveway you pull. For my old >> house, my property line was inside the edge of the sidewalk. The >> city's right of way therefore extended at least four feet from the >> edge of the street. > > Nope. If as you claim your "property line" ended at the inside edge of > the sidewalk, then the rest of the property was *owned* by the city, > and not an "easement" as you erroneously assert. In some localities the sidewalk including curbs and curb cuts are required to be open to the public and the property owner is still required to maintain them. BTDT. The crux of this issue would seem to be if the OP is using the curb cut or if he is going beyond the sidewalk. The former IME is quite legal. I have neighbors who were really touchy about that. I would accommodate them but would be amused when they would gibber about others who "invaded their space" while turning around or walking/jogging. |
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Trespassing in neighbor's driveway
On Apr 30, 5:28 pm, "Fred G. Mackey" > wrote:
> wrote: > > > If nothing else, it's certainly not neighborly to disregard your > > neighbor's wishes about trespassing on their land. > > I'm not sure if this can be defined as trespassing - perhaps it can be - > the private property arguments are convincing, but nonetheless, if the > guy is mereley using a few feet of driveway to turn around, it's not > very neighborly of his neighbor to get their panties in such a twist > over it. > > I've used neighbors drivers before, and they've used ours - NOT to park > in, but to ease turning around or pulling out when there are multiple > vehicles blocking one that needed to get out. > > Unless the neighbor wants to put up a gate (which is probably prohibited > by the HOA), there's no way to stop a stray vehicle from doing exactly > the same thing. > > Some people just need to relax a little and deal with the > inconsequential things that happen in life. Yep. And if the neighbor does get her panties in a bunch about it, it is much better to just go along with her vice starting a neighbor feud. Harry K |
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Trespassing in neighbor's driveway
Harry K wrote:
> On Apr 30, 5:28 pm, "Fred G. Mackey" > wrote: > wrote: >> >> >>>If nothing else, it's certainly not neighborly to disregard your >>>neighbor's wishes about trespassing on their land. >> >>I'm not sure if this can be defined as trespassing - perhaps it can be - >>the private property arguments are convincing, but nonetheless, if the >>guy is mereley using a few feet of driveway to turn around, it's not >>very neighborly of his neighbor to get their panties in such a twist >>over it. >> >>I've used neighbors drivers before, and they've used ours - NOT to park >>in, but to ease turning around or pulling out when there are multiple >>vehicles blocking one that needed to get out. >> >>Unless the neighbor wants to put up a gate (which is probably prohibited >>by the HOA), there's no way to stop a stray vehicle from doing exactly >>the same thing. >> >>Some people just need to relax a little and deal with the >>inconsequential things that happen in life. > > > Yep. And if the neighbor does get her panties in a bunch about it, it > is much better to just go along with her vice starting a neighbor > feud. > > Harry K > I laugh at people that turn around in my driveway. The crunching sound of their air dams hitting the ground amuses me. nate (it's not so funny when you're trying to get your own car into the driveway...) -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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