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Old December 28th 06, 11:56 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
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Default 1995 Crown Victoria codes came back

I have a 1995 Crown vic that I posted about a while back. It's putting
out codes again and my engine light is on. I replaced the O2 sensors
since I think they're the original and it's been 120K. the codes are as
follows. P0174 System Too Lean (Bank 2), P0171 System Too Lean (Bank 1)
P0401 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Flow Insufficient Detected. I've been
told the EGR valves on these cars never go bad so I'm stumped.

Thanking you in advance,

JLS038

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Old December 29th 06, 12:16 AM posted to rec.autos.tech
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J Wrote:
> I have a 1995 Crown vic that I posted about a while back. It's putting
> out codes again and my engine light is on. I replaced the O2 sensors
> since I think they're the original and it's been 120K. the codes are as
> follows. P0174 System Too Lean (Bank 2), P0171 System Too Lean (Bank 1)
> P0401 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Flow Insufficient Detected. I've been
> told the EGR valves on these cars never go bad so I'm stumped.
>
> Thanking you in advance,
>
> JLS038


On the 4.6 engine check the PCV valve line tubes and hoses where they
go into the back of the intake.
They get soft and mushy and will suck air and give a lean code.
You will have to look real close and sometimes take them off to see the
problem.
I think the lines splits out on a T and goes to both sides or something
like that. :lol2:
Ford has a pcv line and PCV all in one to repair the problem.
Check with your ford parts dealer.

On the egr code open egr vale and see if it makes the engine pull down
or run different.
If not remove the back part of intake and clean passages first.
They are bad about stopping up back there.
Good luck and let us know how it goes.
MT


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Old December 29th 06, 03:27 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
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lugnut Wrote:
> On 28 Dec 2006 15:56:55 -0800, "J" > wrote:
>
> >I have a 1995 Crown vic that I posted about a while back. It's

> putting
> >out codes again and my engine light is on. I replaced the O2 sensors
> >since I think they're the original and it's been 120K. the codes are

> as
> >follows. P0174 System Too Lean (Bank 2), P0171 System Too Lean (Bank

> 1)
> > P0401 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Flow Insufficient Detected. I've

> been
> >told the EGR valves on these cars never go bad so I'm stumped.
> >
> >Thanking you in advance,
> >
> >JLS038

>
>
> It has been my experience that you have a couple of things
> to do first. The EGR code is likely the result of plugged
> EGR ports in the intake manifold. You must remove the
> throttle bod and adapter from the intake manifold to clean
> the slots in the gasket surface that serve as the EGR ports.
> You will ned a new TB gasket unless you are lucky.
>
> While you are there, take the opportunity to remove the IAC
> from the TB and soak the valve end in good TB cleaner while
> you continue with other things to help loosen the crud in
> there. Do not soak the solenoid end in solvent. Finish by
> giving it a good spray. This may help extend it's useful
> life.
>
> The lean codes are likely a vacuum leak. The PCV circuit is
> frequently the cause of this because the hoses deteriorate
> and crack. The"Y" near the throttle body is a bad one.
> They also plug easily causing the PCV system to become
> useless and oil leaks start. Replace all of the flexible
> tubing in the circuit and make sure the firm parts are
> completely open.
>
> While you are cleaning, make sure you clean the MAF sensor
> in the intake tube near the air cleaner box. It tends to
> become fouled making it sense less air than is actually
> entering the engine. The ECM controls fuel based on a bad
> MAF reading - thus, the lean code set by the EGO sensors.
> There are instruction for cleanig the MAF at several places
> on the net. Residue-free electronics cleaner from Home
> Depot with a Q-tip used judiciously works well. Don't
> become too aggressive - use a bit more time.
>
> Once you have completed all this, either have the ECM reset
> or reset it by disconnecting the negative battery cable for
> at least 10 minutes. Start the engine without touching a
> thing and left it idle to warm a few minutes. Again,
> without touching a thing, hold the brake and move the
> selector among each of the position for several seconds
> until it settles down bofore moving to the next. Yoy should
> then be ready to drive it a few miles for the ECM to start
> relearning it's operating parameters.
>
> You should then be good to go.
>
> Good Luck, may you have a happy and prosperous new year
>
> Lugnut


Good detailed info there Lugnut.
Right on tract.


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Old December 29th 06, 03:32 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
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Default 1995 Crown Victoria codes came back

On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:54:51 -0500, lugnut >
wrote:

>On 28 Dec 2006 15:56:55 -0800, "J" > wrote:
>
>>I have a 1995 Crown vic that I posted about a while back. It's putting
>>out codes again and my engine light is on. I replaced the O2 sensors
>>since I think they're the original and it's been 120K. the codes are as
>>follows. P0174 System Too Lean (Bank 2), P0171 System Too Lean (Bank 1)


Replacing the O2 sensor did not get rid of the lean codes because the
O2 sensors are telling the truth and the problem is elsewhere. Almost
certainly a vaccum leak or a contaminated mass air flow sensor.

>> P0401 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Flow Insufficient Detected. I've been
>>told the EGR valves on these cars never go bad so I'm stumped.


The DPFE sensor goes bad all the time. It would be good to replace
the hoses at the same time. Open the EGR valve manually to check for
rough idle and stall or almost stalls. If not, then look for the
clogged passages as another poster mentioned.

Don
www.donsautomotive.com

>>
>>Thanking you in advance,
>>
>>JLS038

>
>
>It has been my experience that you have a couple of things
>to do first. The EGR code is likely the result of plugged
>EGR ports in the intake manifold. You must remove the
>throttle bod and adapter from the intake manifold to clean
>the slots in the gasket surface that serve as the EGR ports.
>You will ned a new TB gasket unless you are lucky.
>
>While you are there, take the opportunity to remove the IAC
>from the TB and soak the valve end in good TB cleaner while
>you continue with other things to help loosen the crud in
>there. Do not soak the solenoid end in solvent. Finish by
>giving it a good spray. This may help extend it's useful
>life.
>
>The lean codes are likely a vacuum leak. The PCV circuit is
>frequently the cause of this because the hoses deteriorate
>and crack. The"Y" near the throttle body is a bad one.
>They also plug easily causing the PCV system to become
>useless and oil leaks start. Replace all of the flexible
>tubing in the circuit and make sure the firm parts are
>completely open.
>
>While you are cleaning, make sure you clean the MAF sensor
>in the intake tube near the air cleaner box. It tends to
>become fouled making it sense less air than is actually
>entering the engine. The ECM controls fuel based on a bad
>MAF reading - thus, the lean code set by the EGO sensors.
>There are instruction for cleanig the MAF at several places
>on the net. Residue-free electronics cleaner from Home
>Depot with a Q-tip used judiciously works well. Don't
>become too aggressive - use a bit more time.
>
>Once you have completed all this, either have the ECM reset
>or reset it by disconnecting the negative battery cable for
>at least 10 minutes. Start the engine without touching a
>thing and left it idle to warm a few minutes. Again,
>without touching a thing, hold the brake and move the
>selector among each of the position for several seconds
>until it settles down bofore moving to the next. Yoy should
>then be ready to drive it a few miles for the ECM to start
>relearning it's operating parameters.
>
>You should then be good to go.
>
>Good Luck, may you have a happy and prosperous new year
>
>Lugnut


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Old December 30th 06, 01:26 AM posted to rec.autos.tech
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Default 1995 Crown Victoria codes came back

Thank you everybody. I have a couple days off so I'm going to have
start cleaning.

JLS038

On Dec 29, 10:32 am, Don > wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:54:51 -0500, lugnut >
> wrote:
>
> >On 28 Dec 2006 15:56:55 -0800, "J" > wrote:

>
> >>I have a 1995 Crown vic that I posted about a while back. It's putting
> >>out codes again and my engine light is on. I replaced the O2 sensors
> >>since I think they're the original and it's been 120K. the codes are as
> >>follows. P0174 System Too Lean (Bank 2), P0171 System Too Lean (Bank 1)Replacing the O2 sensor did not get rid of the lean codes because the

> O2 sensors are telling the truth and the problem is elsewhere. Almost
> certainly a vaccum leak or a contaminated mass air flow sensor.
>
> >> P0401 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Flow Insufficient Detected. I've been
> >>told the EGR valves on these cars never go bad so I'm stumped.The DPFE sensor goes bad all the time. It would be good to replace

> the hoses at the same time. Open the EGR valve manually to check for
> rough idle and stall or almost stalls. If not, then look for the
> clogged passages as another poster mentioned.
>
> Donwww.donsautomotive.com
>
>
>
> >>Thanking you in advance,

>
> >>JLS038

>
> >It has been my experience that you have a couple of things
> >to do first. The EGR code is likely the result of plugged
> >EGR ports in the intake manifold. You must remove the
> >throttle bod and adapter from the intake manifold to clean
> >the slots in the gasket surface that serve as the EGR ports.
> >You will ned a new TB gasket unless you are lucky.

>
> >While you are there, take the opportunity to remove the IAC
> >from the TB and soak the valve end in good TB cleaner while
> >you continue with other things to help loosen the crud in
> >there. Do not soak the solenoid end in solvent. Finish by
> >giving it a good spray. This may help extend it's useful
> >life.

>
> >The lean codes are likely a vacuum leak. The PCV circuit is
> >frequently the cause of this because the hoses deteriorate
> >and crack. The"Y" near the throttle body is a bad one.
> >They also plug easily causing the PCV system to become
> >useless and oil leaks start. Replace all of the flexible
> >tubing in the circuit and make sure the firm parts are
> >completely open.

>
> >While you are cleaning, make sure you clean the MAF sensor
> >in the intake tube near the air cleaner box. It tends to
> >become fouled making it sense less air than is actually
> >entering the engine. The ECM controls fuel based on a bad
> >MAF reading - thus, the lean code set by the EGO sensors.
> >There are instruction for cleanig the MAF at several places
> >on the net. Residue-free electronics cleaner from Home
> >Depot with a Q-tip used judiciously works well. Don't
> >become too aggressive - use a bit more time.

>
> >Once you have completed all this, either have the ECM reset
> >or reset it by disconnecting the negative battery cable for
> >at least 10 minutes. Start the engine without touching a
> >thing and left it idle to warm a few minutes. Again,
> >without touching a thing, hold the brake and move the
> >selector among each of the position for several seconds
> >until it settles down bofore moving to the next. Yoy should
> >then be ready to drive it a few miles for the ECM to start
> >relearning it's operating parameters.

>
> >You should then be good to go.

>
> >Good Luck, may you have a happy and prosperous new year

>
> >Lugnut


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Old December 30th 06, 01:27 AM posted to rec.autos.tech
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Default 1995 Crown Victoria codes came back

Thank you everybody. I have a couple days off so I'm going to have
start cleaning.

JLS038

On Dec 28, 7:16 pm, MT-2500 > wrote:
> J Wrote:
>
> > I have a 1995 Crown vic that I posted about a while back. It's putting
> > out codes again and my engine light is on. I replaced the O2 sensors
> > since I think they're the original and it's been 120K. the codes are as
> > follows. P0174 System Too Lean (Bank 2), P0171 System Too Lean (Bank 1)
> > P0401 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Flow Insufficient Detected. I've been
> > told the EGR valves on these cars never go bad so I'm stumped.

>
> > Thanking you in advance,

>
> > JLS038On the 4.6 engine check the PCV valve line tubes and hoses where they

> go into the back of the intake.
> They get soft and mushy and will suck air and give a lean code.
> You will have to look real close and sometimes take them off to see the
> problem.
> I think the lines splits out on a T and goes to both sides or something
> like that. :lol2:
> Ford has a pcv line and PCV all in one to repair the problem.
> Check with your ford parts dealer.
>
> On the egr code open egr vale and see if it makes the engine pull down
> or run different.
> If not remove the back part of intake and clean passages first.
> They are bad about stopping up back there.
> Good luck and let us know how it goes.
> MT
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Old December 30th 06, 01:27 AM posted to rec.autos.tech
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Default 1995 Crown Victoria codes came back

Thank you everybody. I have a couple days off so I'm going to have
start cleaning.

JLS038

On Dec 29, 9:54 am, lugnut > wrote:
> On 28 Dec 2006 15:56:55 -0800, "J" > wrote:
>
> >I have a 1995 Crown vic that I posted about a while back. It's putting
> >out codes again and my engine light is on. I replaced the O2 sensors
> >since I think they're the original and it's been 120K. the codes are as
> >follows. P0174 System Too Lean (Bank 2), P0171 System Too Lean (Bank 1)
> > P0401 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Flow Insufficient Detected. I've been
> >told the EGR valves on these cars never go bad so I'm stumped.

>
> >Thanking you in advance,

>
> >JLS038It has been my experience that you have a couple of things

> to do first. The EGR code is likely the result of plugged
> EGR ports in the intake manifold. You must remove the
> throttle bod and adapter from the intake manifold to clean
> the slots in the gasket surface that serve as the EGR ports.
> You will ned a new TB gasket unless you are lucky.
>
> While you are there, take the opportunity to remove the IAC
> from the TB and soak the valve end in good TB cleaner while
> you continue with other things to help loosen the crud in
> there. Do not soak the solenoid end in solvent. Finish by
> giving it a good spray. This may help extend it's useful
> life.
>
> The lean codes are likely a vacuum leak. The PCV circuit is
> frequently the cause of this because the hoses deteriorate
> and crack. The"Y" near the throttle body is a bad one.
> They also plug easily causing the PCV system to become
> useless and oil leaks start. Replace all of the flexible
> tubing in the circuit and make sure the firm parts are
> completely open.
>
> While you are cleaning, make sure you clean the MAF sensor
> in the intake tube near the air cleaner box. It tends to
> become fouled making it sense less air than is actually
> entering the engine. The ECM controls fuel based on a bad
> MAF reading - thus, the lean code set by the EGO sensors.
> There are instruction for cleanig the MAF at several places
> on the net. Residue-free electronics cleaner from Home
> Depot with a Q-tip used judiciously works well. Don't
> become too aggressive - use a bit more time.
>
> Once you have completed all this, either have the ECM reset
> or reset it by disconnecting the negative battery cable for
> at least 10 minutes. Start the engine without touching a
> thing and left it idle to warm a few minutes. Again,
> without touching a thing, hold the brake and move the
> selector among each of the position for several seconds
> until it settles down bofore moving to the next. Yoy should
> then be ready to drive it a few miles for the ECM to start
> relearning it's operating parameters.
>
> You should then be good to go.
>
> Good Luck, may you have a happy and prosperous new year
>
> Lugnut


 




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