2002 Ford Escort engine problem

> Did he explain how that "leak" happened?

Unfortunately he didnt. All I know is that he fixed the problem (I assume
he caused the problem since I guess he had to remove the intake to remove
the head)I myself had forgotten that there are radiator passages in the
intake manifold.shows how much I know.

On Oct 13, 9:23*am, "hls" > wrote:
> > Ok mechanic found out the problem..apparently it wasnt the head gasket. It
> > was dumping coolant into 1,2,and 3 piston cylinders (which caused
> > hydrolock) and at first it confused him. After he took the thing apart he
> > found that there was a leak coming from the intake manifold and it was
> > dumping coolant straight into the three of the cylenders minus a 4th.
>
> Did he explain how that "leak" happened?

It is pretty common for plastic intake manifolds to fail and dump
coolant into the cylinders.
HTH
Ben

> imagine you're nate. *imagine you just spent a bunch of money having
> some bearings replaced in your f150. *then a year later, you discover
> they weren't fixed. *truthfully, are you going to take it back to the
> same guy?

Initially yes I would. Anyone anywhere can make a mistake. If I spent
good money for a repair I would go straight back to the same place and
see if they will do the right thing.
From my reading this group for the last couple of years, it seems that
a significant percentage of the problems posted here are caused by
defective customers not necessarily bad technicians. Folks who chase
coupons, cheap prices and jiffylube type chain stores rarely get good,
competent service. I cant understand how these guys can be smart
enough to keep a job, pay a mortgage etc when they are so stupid about
car repairs. A *good* repair shop charges way over $100 per hour
because they are worth it. You can get a job done correctly, cheap or
fast, but never all 3.


>*i suggest to you that the answer is invariably NO.

Well... you would be wrong

> add to
> that the fact that most people seem to have this mindset of "i'm not
> spending more to fix it than the car's worth, especially not a second
> time" and you have a full explanation of why you're not seeing any
> comebacks.

Wrong again. I have some customers that have been with me for 20+
years.
The only thing you have a full explanation of is your own
experience....

> *i've seen skimmed heads give
> endless problems.

I dont doubt you at all
But dont you think it would have been wiser to either check the
machine work *before* you installed the head or switch to a competent
machine shop? A few brain cells and a calibrated fingernail is all I
have ever used to check a machine shops work, perhaps you may have had
better luck had you tried....

"ben91932" > wrote in message
...
On Oct 13, 9:23 am, "hls" > wrote:
> > Ok mechanic found out the problem..apparently it wasnt the head gasket.
> > It
> > was dumping coolant into 1,2,and 3 piston cylinders (which caused
> > hydrolock) and at first it confused him. After he took the thing apart
> > he
> > found that there was a leak coming from the intake manifold and it was
> > dumping coolant straight into the three of the cylenders minus a 4th.
>
> Did he explain how that "leak" happened?

It is pretty common for plastic intake manifolds to fail and dump
coolant into the cylinders.
HTH
Ben

**
I suspected that the mechanic himself precipitated this problem.
Bad gasket, improper tightening, etc.
Yes, plastic manifolds can fail, but this one seemed a little]
suspicious to me.

"ben91932" > wrote in message

A *good* repair shop charges way over $100 per hour
because they are worth it. You can get a job done correctly, cheap or fast,
but never all 3.
*******

BS.. Depends on where you are what the shop charges.
Some of the best shops here charge $60 or somewhat more.

But NOT "way over $100 per hour". Maybe where you are
that is true but not everywhere.

A job properly done can be reasonable, or ever cheap, considering the
circumstances.

But, I know what you are trying to say, and dont disagree
in principle.

On 10/19/2011 01:31 PM, ben91932 wrote:
>
>> imagine you're nate. �imagine you just spent a bunch of money having
>> some bearings replaced in your f150. �then a year later, you discover
>> they weren't fixed. �truthfully, are you going to take it back to the
>> same guy?
>
> Initially yes I would. Anyone anywhere can make a mistake. If I spent
> good money for a repair I would go straight back to the same place and
> see if they will do the right thing.
> From my reading this group for the last couple of years, it seems that
> a significant percentage of the problems posted here are caused by
> defective customers

wow, that is such a classic, it's worth repeating:
"a significant percentage of the problems posted here are caused by
defective customers".

that's a complete gem! next up, "news at 10 - plane crashed because of
defective passengers".


> not necessarily bad technicians.

most people never touch under the hood of their car. so, pretty much by
definition, unless you're talking crash damage, all service problems are
caused by bad technicians. [and that includes bad service departments
that don't have their act together on reminding customers on when to
come in for the next scheduled service - but /excludes/ service
departments that try to jerk their customers off with 3000 mile blinker
fluid and muffler bearing changes].

technician problems include:
those that use tap water to dilute antifreeze...
those that are clumsy enough to break brake piston boot rubbers...
those that don't know how to change brake shoes without bending or
damaging springs...
those that don't use a torque wrench...
those that don't clean stuff properly or use the wrong lubricants...
those that use silicone "gasket" sealant for just about everything that
it shouldn't be used for...
those that routinely skim cylinder heads that don't need it...

iow, technicians that don't know what they're doing.


> Folks who chase
> coupons, cheap prices and jiffylube type chain stores rarely get good,
> competent service. I cant understand how these guys can be smart
> enough to keep a job, pay a mortgage etc when they are so stupid about
> car repairs. A *good* repair shop charges way over $100 per hour
> because they are worth it. You can get a job done correctly, cheap or
> fast, but never all 3.

how much should i pay a guy that doesn't know about head surface
machining quality and how much it effects gasket seal durability?


>
>
>> �i suggest to you that the answer is invariably NO.
>
> Well... you would be wrong

as wrong as the guy that thinks he should be paid $100 per hour for not
knowing about factors that determine gasket seal durability?


>
>> add to
>> that the fact that most people seem to have this mindset of "i'm not
>> spending more to fix it than the car's worth, especially not a second
>> time" and you have a full explanation of why you're not seeing any
>> comebacks.
>
> Wrong again. I have some customers that have been with me for 20+
> years.

"some"? "some" like 5%? 2%? 1%? and there has to be a reason why all
the others /didn't/ come back.


> The only thing you have a full explanation of is your own
> experience....

true - but not for the reasons you're trying to suggest. and it's
ridiculous to try and make that kind of statement if your experience
/isn't/ broad enough to know about this stuff. and it clearly isn't.


>
>> �i've seen skimmed heads give
>> endless problems.
>
> I dont doubt you at all
> But dont you think it would have been wiser to either check the
> machine work *before* you installed the head or switch to a competent
> machine shop? A few brain cells and a calibrated fingernail is all I
> have ever used to check a machine shops work, perhaps you may have had
> better luck had you tried....

it's more than disingenuous to suggest that anyone wouldn't check. just
like it's disingenuous to say such a thing without addressing the fact
that machine shops routinely do not and /cannot/ finish to oem standards
- they don't have the tooling to do so.


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