Stop sign cameras...

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/17/1742.asp

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Another type of automated ticketing machine is being added to the photo
enforcement arsenal alongside red light cameras and speed cameras.
Australian photo enforcement vendor Redflex yesterday officially
announced it had developed a first-of-its-kind machine designed to issue
tickets for what some refer to as a Boulevard Stop or a California Stop.
This is the practice of slowing to a crawl, without ceasing all forward
motion, at a stop sign when there is no traffic around.

Appropriately enough, the new ticketing technology is to be installed in
Los Angeles, California by the Mountains Recreation and Conservation
Authority (MRCA), as first reported by TheNewspaper last month.

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Brent P wrote:
> Another type of automated ticketing machine is being added to the photo
> enforcement arsenal alongside red light cameras and speed cameras.

Sweet.

Only pimp-daddies blow stop signs.

Surely there are studies showing cities have shortened yellow times at
stop signs?

In article .com>, Nexus7 wrote:
> Surely there are studies showing cities have shortened yellow times at
> stop signs?

We will see what the abuses will be after they are in use. My guess is
that they will just ticket people who did stop, much like toll cameras
ticket people who paid the toll...
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/getth...uestioned.html

Nexus7 wrote:
> Brent P wrote:

>> Another type of automated ticketing machine is being added to the photo
>> enforcement arsenal alongside red light cameras and speed cameras.

> Only pimp-daddies blow stop signs.

Most stop signs can be replaced by yield signs. Stop signs are only
needed for intersections where there's limited visibility of potential
traffic on the intersecting road. Four-way stop intersections should be
replaced with roundabouts.

On May 9, 11:52 am, Arif Khokar > wrote:
> Most stop signs can be replaced by yield signs. Stop signs are only
> needed for intersections where there's limited visibility of potential

No, stop signs are there on slower residential streets, or where a
slow street connects to a busier one and it doesn't make sense to make
drivers on the busier one stop, or other situations. A stop sign isn't
a stronger yield sign, it is a traffic control device that has its own
purpose in life.

"Nexus7" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On May 9, 11:52 am, Arif Khokar > wrote:
>> Most stop signs can be replaced by yield signs. Stop signs are only
>> needed for intersections where there's limited visibility of potential
>
> No, stop signs are there on slower residential streets, or where a
> slow street connects to a busier one and it doesn't make sense to make
> drivers on the busier one stop, or other situations. A stop sign isn't
> a stronger yield sign, it is a traffic control device that has its own
> purpose in life.
>

But for residential purposes, i have to agree and say that roundabouts would
be better.

Howerver, the OP must have meant, that in the context of the camera system,
that its being used for STOP LIGHTS ... not stop signs.

In article .com>, Nexus7 wrote:
> On May 9, 11:52 am, Arif Khokar > wrote:
>> Most stop signs can be replaced by yield signs. Stop signs are only
>> needed for intersections where there's limited visibility of potential
>
> No, stop signs are there on slower residential streets, or where a
> slow street connects to a busier one and it doesn't make sense to make
> drivers on the busier one stop, or other situations. A stop sign isn't
> a stronger yield sign, it is a traffic control device that has its own
> purpose in life.

And what Arif said is that it is often used where it should not be. Most
stop signed intersection on residential streets I've encountered should be
yield. Many stop signs are used as speed controls, which is prohibited by
the MUTCD.

In article >, nutcracker wrote:

> Howerver, the OP must have meant, that in the context of the camera system,
> that its being used for STOP LIGHTS ... not stop signs.

No, read the article. this is a new system for stop _signs_

On Wed, 9 May 2007, nutcracker wrote:

>
> "Nexus7" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> On May 9, 11:52 am, Arif Khokar > wrote:
>>> Most stop signs can be replaced by yield signs. Stop signs are only
>>> needed for intersections where there's limited visibility of potential
>>
>> No, stop signs are there on slower residential streets, or where a
>> slow street connects to a busier one and it doesn't make sense to make
>> drivers on the busier one stop, or other situations. A stop sign isn't
>> a stronger yield sign, it is a traffic control device that has its own
>> purpose in life.
>>
>
> But for residential purposes, i have to agree and say that roundabouts would
> be better.

People are too stupid to figure out how to navigate roundabouts.
Even with signs showing them.